Shoulderless/plunging bridal gowns and unity candles: should they be banned from Catholic weddings?

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The story I heard was that it originated as part of the story line in a soap opera - the writers of the soap opera didn’t want to specify a particular religion for the church they were having their fictional characters married in, so they invented a marriage ritual just for the purposes of the soap opera, and it had a “unity candle” in it.
I heard that too, and I think it was Luke & Laura on General Hospital. I also heard from a minister friend that it was standard among Protestants to do it for interfaith marriages to show unity in Christ (nothing to do with unity with each other) when mixed marriages became more the norm in the 70s.
 
I wonder where TLM brides shop for wedding dresses. They all can’t be wearing their mothers’ old dresses.
I’ve been to several weddings (including my own!) in which the TLM was celebrated. As I recall, some of the brides (and bridesmaids, too) wore little jackets that matched their dresses. My wife didn’t use a jacket, but she had the dress altered to add small sleeves. Her bridesmaids had jackets that matched their dresses.

Since head coverings for the ladies are customary at our church as well, she had head coverings made for the bridesmaids that were like small veils that were clipped to backs of their heads. The veils matched the dress color. It’s hard to describe, but it looked very natural and nice.
 
I will be walking down the aisle to “Bridal Chorus” and other secular classical music will be played. I never really thought about the possible impropriety while we were planning it, since every wedding I’ve been to (including Catholic ones) was completely tainted by commercialism and non-religious gestures. I suppose a lot of what we are doing is driven by what we saw growing up … I would be sad if my dad and I didn’t stroll to “Here Comes the Bride” with everyone standing and watching me enter. I’ve waited my whole life for that and didn’t know it was in any way incorrect. No one along the way said “oh yeah, that’s fine for Protestants but not for your Catholic wedding”.
I do understand what you are trying to say. Many brides of my generation are not properly educated about this. Whenever I sit down with my brides to discuss music, I will try to be as informative as possible into the why certain music isn’t permitted. All of the brides I’ve worked with one on one, after getting together with me, are totally understanding and have no problem with having only sacred music. I also give them a huge list of other appropriate music and listening samples - and they soon realize that there is a lot of equally spiritual and beautiful sacred and religious music out there.

In regards to the music that you chose and not knowing what wasn’t appropriate… in many ways that is the fault of the music director of the parish and/or the priest officiating. Where I work and in many of the other parishes that I’ve been a musician for weddings, the parish will be very specific that secular music is not permitted. My parish which is our diocese cathedral and where I am on the music staff, also make a point within the wedding packet that the Bridal Chorus and the Wedding March are not permitted at all. Some brides and mothers will apparently call and throw a fit, but the music director will always politely explain why it can’t be used. If they still act like bridezillas, then he stands his ground and he has the pastor’s support on it.

But you are right. Many bridal couples and sometimes the brides’ mothers are driven by the secular view of marriage. If they don’t have the leadership from a spiritual mentor or proper direction from the music director or priest, then they will continue to make the same assumptions about the marriage.

For our own wedding, even though the majority of guests thought it was one of the most spiritual and God-centered weddings they ever attended (as many related in our guest book and in person - which is something you don’t hear or say that often), there were still a few who weren’t religious/spiritual who thought it was too long and couldn’t wait till the reception. My husband and I placed all of our focus on the mass as it was the most important part of our day. Everything else was not of consequence. I was willing to do everything in my power to accomodate our guests for the reception, but our faith, the Sacrament and the mass was more important to us than anything else, so we weren’t going to compromise on that.
 
FH and I are including the unity candle in our ceremony. His family is Southern Baptist and that’s a big thing to them, since his mom and dad get to light “his”. We also decided to not have communion since the majority of attendees will not be Catholic. I will be walking down the aisle to “Bridal Chorus” and other secular classical music will be played. I never really thought about the possible impropriety while we were planning it, since every wedding I’ve been to (including Catholic ones) was completely tainted by commercialism and non-religious gestures. I suppose a lot of what we are doing is driven by what we saw growing up … I would be sad if my dad and I didn’t stroll to “Here Comes the Bride” with everyone standing and watching me enter. I’ve waited my whole life for that and didn’t know it was in any way incorrect. No one along the way said “oh yeah, that’s fine for Protestants but not for your Catholic wedding”.

I know that the previous poster was being a bit condescending with the comment about people being miffed that the Mass upstaged the wedding, but sadly I somewhat agree with the sentiment. It’s what I’ve been programmed with from childhood, and many others have too.

I think FH and I will head back for Vigil Mass immediately after the reception. This way I will still have a Mass on our wedding day.
My friend had the same issue when she was planning her wedding. She had no idea about the sacred music thing until I told her… 3 days before the wedding. She changed everything. She called the musicians playing at the wedding and made sure they already knew the songs she was now using. One or two they knew, but were not comfortable performing because they didn’t know them that well, so she changed them again.
It became more important to her to shun the commercial/secualrism of weddings for the sacred.
I only bring it up because of the time frame that occurred for her.

So basically, doesn’t matter how close to the wedding it is, you can still make changes.

My other suggestion is to create a “program” that lists is the ceremony in it’s entirety: responses, prayers, the readings, the rite itself.
I can PM you the one I had for my wedding, if you would like. DH, his family, and my father’s side, are all non-denom or are Baptist, so I wanted to make sure they knew everything that was going on. LoL- I even mentioned that there was a pause in the Lord’s Prayer so people wouldn’t rush through it.

Oh yes, the other thing we did was have the cantor come up before the wedding started and go through the musical responses (ie: the Responsorial Psalm and the Alleluia) so everyone would know it. Worked out VERY well. I still hear about how well “informed” everyone was. (sorry if that came out braggy)
 
Interesting comments all…

As for the unity candle, I never really thought it was liturgically sound…HOWEVER…and some of you may already have seen this…

In preparation for a wedding end of July, I have been going through “Together for Life” by Joseph M. Champlin, published by Ave Maria Press. And I quote from p. 7:

“NOTE: The optional Candle Ceremony usually occurs at the end fo the Rite of Marriage or before and during the Final Blessing.”

What’s up with that??? And I did preserve the book’s capitalization of “Candle Ceremony”…
 
Interesting comments all…

As for the unity candle, I never really thought it was liturgically sound…HOWEVER…and some of you may already have seen this…

In preparation for a wedding end of July, I have been going through “Together for Life” by Joseph M. Champlin, published by Ave Maria Press. And I quote from p. 7:

“NOTE: The optional Candle Ceremony usually occurs at the end fo the Rite of Marriage or before and during the Final Blessing.”

What’s up with that??? And I did preserve the book’s capitalization of “Candle Ceremony”…
I don’t remember the copyright date for “Together for Life”, but that may have something to do with the inclusion of the “Candle Ceremony” thing.

Personally, I think it is far more unifying (esp. if it it is a marriage outside the Mass) for the couple to approach the side altars, together, to pray together for the prayers of Our Lady (patron of Mamas and Wives) and St. Joseph (Patron of Daddys and Husbands).
 
Women should dress modestly all the times, but especially in church, and all the more at their wedding.
 
Interesting comments all…

As for the unity candle, I never really thought it was liturgically sound…HOWEVER…and some of you may already have seen this…

In preparation for a wedding end of July, I have been going through “Together for Life” by Joseph M. Champlin, published by Ave Maria Press. And I quote from p. 7:

“NOTE: The optional Candle Ceremony usually occurs at the end fo the Rite of Marriage or before and during the Final Blessing.”

What’s up with that??? And I did preserve the book’s capitalization of “Candle Ceremony”…
We had a candle ceremony at our Catholic wedding. It came at the end of the Rite of Marriage, and consisted of my husband lighting a candle (that was given to us by the church) with the flame of the altar candle. DH then presented the small candle to me, and we both held it as our pastor said a prayer over us. It symbolized our entry into the parish as a married couple. So not a “Unity Candle”, which we specifically did not want. I thought it was beautiful.

We also laid two small bouquets of roses at the foot of the Virgin Mary and prayed silently for her to watch over our home and family, while the choir sang the Ave Maria. The bouquets had been carried by our flower girls, instead of baskets with petals. They each kept an indentical bouquet, and loved the whole thing.

I wore an old-fashioned lace mantilla instead of a veil. But my dress was strapless. And only came to my mid-calf. And was off-white. Yet I (and my husband) were virgins on our wedding day, and no one thought I looked scandalous. I even asked the priest ahead of time, to be sure (and he’s not the kind to “spare feelings”). The mantilla covered my shoulders, and my back, I was well aware I was dressing for Christ, and was unashamed.
 
Interesting comments all…

As for the unity candle, I never really thought it was liturgically sound…HOWEVER…and some of you may already have seen this…

In preparation for a wedding end of July, I have been going through “Together for Life” by Joseph M. Champlin, published by Ave Maria Press. And I quote from p. 7:

“NOTE: The optional Candle Ceremony usually occurs at the end fo the Rite of Marriage or before and during the Final Blessing.”

What’s up with that??? And I did preserve the book’s capitalization of “Candle Ceremony”…
Has it got an Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat?
 
I love these wedding threads, as our second, and final, daughter just married last month. We had strong feelings against strapless gowns, and she found a truly gorgeous gown with straps, and bought a beautiful little lace bolero (Ebay, yet!) that had similar lace and looked beautiful. She liked it so much she kept it on for the reception, as well.

As for unity candles, I had bad memories from our first daughter’s wedding. They hadn’t planned to have one, but there was apparently a strong tradition in the groom’s family, and it was very important to his sweet family, so they went ahead and had it (it was allowed, at least at that time, about 5 years ago.) I lit my candle (had to use safety matches as I had a traumatic childhood experience with regular matches!) and then gracefully stepped back and tripped, nearly falling and sitting on the altar steps. So, you can well understand that I was deighted to hear that it is now strongly discouraged, and that younger dd and sil didn’t want it anyway.

They did each carry flowers to the side altar to Mary and Joseph, and handed both the groom’s mom and myself a rose. Very lovely.

Their music was glorious classical and sacred music (Ave Marie, Panis Angelicus) with the processional to Johnson’s Trumpet Tune; the usual “Here Comes the Bride”, etc., is strictly forbidden, thank God.
 
Has it got an Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat?
Impramaturs and nahil obstats are given to say that something is free from error of faith and morals, and its worthy to be written.

It wouldn’t be given on something relating to liturgical practice
 
We were married in the Protestant Church as I grew up United Methodist. We did use a unity candle and I thought it was absolutely beautiful. I feel offended and rather sad as I read some of the posts in here :(😦 we have fond memories of that, it was such a special and meaningful part of the ceremony. 😦 I’ve seen it done many times. It’s beautiful in my opinion.

But I understand if it is not allowed in the Catholic Church however, then it shouldn’t be done. 🤷

I found this for reference on it’s origin, it doesn’t sound like anyone really knows for sure. I remember the Luke and Laura thing but I saw it done for that soap opera did it…🤷

Anyway here it is:
The origin of the unity candle is unclear. In all likelihood, it is at least 30-40 years old.[3] Although there is some evidence to suggest it goes back to at least the 1930’s if not earlier.
It is sometimes performed in Christian,[4] interfaith, and secular weddings; however, it is not of Christian origin, and is even prohibited in certain conservative churches.citation needed] It is not part of the Catholic wedding ceremony, and many priests do not allow its inclusion in the ceremony. It may have its origins in Zoroastrianism or New Ageism.
It may have become popular during the 1970’s when mothers wanted a greater role in the wedding.citation needed]
The lighting of a unity candle was also performed at the wedding of Luke and Laura on the TV soap opera General Hospital in 1981, which almost certainly popularized the ritual to a national, if not international, audience.
 
I don’t remember the copyright date for “Together for Life”, but that may have something to do with the inclusion of the “Candle Ceremony” thing.
Okay, I am looking at my copy of “Together for Life - Special Edition for Marriage Outside Mass” that our parish uses and inside it says First printing February 1972, First revised printing June 2002, Twenty-eight printing August 2003. It also has Imprimatur with two names listed. In the pages titled Order of Service it does say the optional Candle Ceremony usually occurs at the end of the Rite of Marriage or before and during the Final Blessing.

In the section on Interreligious Marriages:
A much more satisfactory plan involves a scriptural marriage ceremony without Mass. The [non-Catholic] assisting minister, if there is one, may participate in this service by reading some of the biblical texts, offering prayers, giving an exhortation, and bestowing a benediction. There are obvious advantages with such a rite and it eliminates the problem [that not sharing communion could stress the split in the couple’s religion rather than highlighting the harmony of their love]. In addition, the Catholic party naturally can participate in the Eucharist at a different time during the day.
(The bracketed parts are from the paragraph immediately proceeding that one, which it referenced).
 
I forgot to say that this handy booklet doesn’t say SQUAT about appropriate or inappropriate music choices.
 
Oops found some more. On the page entitled The Wedding Celebration it says
Candle ceremony This is a currently popular, but neither a required feature or an official part of the rite itself. At some point in the service, for example after the vows or before the dismissal, you may wish to light a special marriage candle from two others. That gesture symbolizes how the two of you have become and hope always to be one. The action also denotes how Christ the light through the sacrament of matrimony will always be with you, offering wisdom and encouragement at every moment.
 
Has it got an Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat?
No. That is why my PV, who actually uses that Champlain book, banned it from the weddnigs where he presides.

Of course, Chanplain’s made some real zingers. His book for EMHC’s is not the most doctrinally sound book. I have had to read it for my re-training and there are enough holes in it to drive a semi. He flip flops between the terms Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and Eucharistic Minister, using both in reference to the laity. It is not the best book in the world to read. I wish my pastor had gone ahead and had us read “God Is Near” by Pope Benedict, instead.
 
Okay, I am looking at my copy of “Together for Life - Special Edition for Marriage Outside Mass” that our parish uses and inside it says First printing February 1972, First revised printing June 2002, Twenty-eight printing August 2003. It also has Imprimatur with two names listed. In the pages titled Order of Service it does say the optional Candle Ceremony usually occurs at the end of the Rite of Marriage or before and during the Final Blessing.
This sounds about right. I was married in August of 2003. We got our Together For Life book around January 2002/2003. Our diocese was still doing the Unity Candle ceremonies by that point. But not long after our wedding, probably around January 2004, did the diocese begin to discourage the use of it and then eventually banned it altogether. So I would say the last 2 or 3 years all the wedding masses I sung for in my diocese have not incorporated the Unity Candle ceremony. (In the neighboring diocese that’s another story - they seem to be a bit more lenient when it comes to things like that.) I believe it is also now indicated in the wedding packets at our cathedral that is no longer permitted and suggests to have it at the reception.
 
I forgot to say that this handy booklet doesn’t say SQUAT about appropriate or inappropriate music choices.
That’s why it is important for the music director and/or the pastor of the parish to stipulate what is appropriate and inappropriate for music choices. Having sung for weddings in many and various Catholic churches and working with many church musicians/directors, most parishes will have stipulations and will be sure to inform the couple about them. They also will usually provide a list of music that is common and appropriate AND will ask to see any music not on the list to be sure it is ok to use. Whoever is in charge of the music program at your parish unfortunately seemed to have failed to provide you with this information.

There was one experience at a parish where about a week before the wedding, the director noticed that the processional the bride chose would not be appropriate. He called very apologetic for letting her know so late, but he missed it as everything else on the paper looked fine. (Music directors are human)The bride apparently gave a huge fit and was determined to get her way. The pastor finally stepped in and gave the final decision that she had to get another piece. So, if you haven’t done so, you may want to call your music director to make sure that your choices are fine with him and the pastor at your church. Otherwise, you may need to scramble and make changes quickly - which isn’t fun.
 

I am sure when you sit down with the priest that is planning to marry you and your fiancee, he will discuss with you what is you use in your wedding such as the unity candle.

I do agree that Brides who plan to marry in the Catholic Church should consider the type of dress they wear as it would seem like they are showing everything otherwise, and since times have changed some priest will ask about what the Bride is wearing and most of the time he does not, I really do not think Unity Candles should be banned as it is a sign of the uniting as one in marriage. It has been done for a very long time and the changes of that are slim at the moment.

I am sure there are a lot of people that feel the same way you do, I for one do not agree with wearing a wedding gown that has a plunging neckline or is strapless, as I have chosen a very traditional gown for my wedding which is in two months.
 

I really do not think Unity Candles should be banned as it is a sign of the uniting as one in marriage. It has been done for a very long time and the changes of that are slim at the moment.

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No it isn’t a sign. It is barely a symbol. When you are going to disneyland, do you stop at the sign that says “10 miles to disneyland” and decorate the sign and take pictures of the sign? Of course not…you go straight to Disneyland. (Eucharist in this analogy). The EUCHARIST is the actual uniting. One shouldn’t stop off before hand and light a candle to “Symbolize” unity when they can actually have it in the EUcharist.

It has NOT been done for a very long time. It was invented only in the last maybe 30ish years.
 
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