Shriner's circus

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The El Korah Shriners Circus is in our town. My husband and I were thinking about taking our son to the circus. But it has occurred to me that they are affiliated with the Mason’s. So would it be wrong for us to attend this circus, being how our money would go to support that organization?
 
As nearly as I can tell, over half the money goes to support the Shriner’s activities, while the Shriner hospitals get about 2% of their operating budgets from Shriner fundraising. I don’t think the evidence is there, at any rate, that the various circus fundraisers do much good: nytimes.com/2007/03/19/us/19shrine.html?pagewanted=5&_r=1&ref=shriners.

Also, the Shriners typically contract out their circus contracts, which means you have no idea whether the animal handlers will either be reputable with regards to their handling of the animals, let alone competent in providing entertainment. To my mind, this is no small thing, but this is just me.

As far as the Shriners’ connections with Freemasonry, you cannot be of the world, but you can’t leave the world, either. The Shriners all have to believe in “a Supreme Being”, but according to them, that is as far into religion as they get. The Church has found their philosophies in error, but that means only that their philosophy is not compatibale with Catholicism. That hardly puts them in the minority among people who characterize themselves as deists. After all, it wouldn’t be a sin to go to a show put on by the drama club at a Jewish high school or to a Middle Eastern cultural fair put on by a mosque. Nobody thinks that makes you a supporter of Judaism or Islam.

Going to a Shriner Circus is unlikely to encourage your son to become a Shriner, nor is it going to be taken by society at large as endorsement of Freemasonry. Being on the internet probably puts you into far shader associations than the Freemasons. You will probably be giving money to a bunch of guys whose organization is admittedly secretive about how they spend their time and money and who vastly oversell the degree to which their activities benefit children. That’s not unusual in the world of entertainment or fundraising, but it is something to think about.

Honestly, I would be most concerned about giving your son a traumatic and lifelong dislike of clowns.
 
I went to the Shrine Circus (Mahi Shrine) at Tropical Park in Miami when I was little.
Nice. Enjoyable. Didn’t convert me to Freemasonry or to the slightest interest in it whatsoever.

Learned years later that most Shriner money raised “for hospitals” usually doesn’t get
to the hospitals, though, although that could have changed.

But the circuses are cute and standard circus fare, no Masonry proselytizing.
 
No, I don’t advise it. Why risk ANYTHING over a brief thrill at some rides. The masons are not allies with Holy Mother Church, thus they are no allies of myself. The Masons have been constant foes to the Church and Her most divine authority. To be seen at such an outing would most certainly be a scandal.

Be confident that no damage could be caused by not going to the circus but plenty could if you chose to.
 
Go to a G-rated movie, the heat under a tent can be something. I assume much of what I’ve read on Freemasonry is folklore (grassroot mason is a good albeit naive guy, 33rd degree mason is an evil Luciferian, the Grand Architect IS Lucifer etc.) but the Church clearly condemns it. To what extent is such or such lodge an enemy of the Catholic Church, I’ve no idea. If you have second thoughts about 2% of your ticket price going to charity, make a small donation to a charity helping children. I did go several years ago, but I regret doing so, and wouldn’t do it again.
 
I don’t know that going to a circus would change a persons beliefs and morals. After all when we go shopping etc, we don’t always know the religious beliefs of the shop owners. Be firm in you own convictions. Enjoy family outings together.
 
I don’t know that going to a circus would change a persons beliefs and morals. After all when we go shopping etc, we don’t always know the religious beliefs of the shop owners. Be firm in you own convictions. Enjoy family outings together.
Its not just about going to the circus, its the principle of the matter. Going to a function held by a society that the Church has deemed worthy to place upon it the highest penalty, that of excommunication, is very serious. Regardless of what is going on at that said function. We must be very weary what we expose the little ones to, for they are certainly impressionable enough that the circus might show that the Shriners are fun and OK when in honesty, they are not.

It is true that when we go into a shop we don’t know the religious views of the owner, but in this case, each of those Shriners are excommunicated, we know that quite well.

Its important to be firm in our convictions, but we must, as catholics, defend proper morality and not to glorify any organizantion that has done so much evil to Holy Mother Church.
 
**I don’t know that going to a circus would change a persons beliefs and morals. **After all when we go shopping etc, we don’t always know the religious beliefs of the shop owners. Be firm in you own convictions. Enjoy family outings together.
That is not really the point, if I may point out respectfully. I see it more as giving money to an organization that I wouldn’t place under the category of “Catholic Church’s allies”. As I mentioned, I did go years ago and witnessed no proselytizing going on.

Oh I see the previous poster “beat me to it”. We should be wary, I agree whole-heartedly.
 
Go to a G-rated movie, the heat under a tent can be something. I assume much of what I’ve read on Freemasonry is folklore (grassroot mason is a good albeit naive guy, 33rd degree mason is an evil Luciferian, the Grand Architect IS Lucifer etc.) but the Church clearly condemns it. To what extent is such or such lodge an enemy of the Catholic Church, I’ve no idea. If you have second thoughts about 2% of your ticket price going to charity, make a small donation to a charity helping children. I did go several years ago, but I regret doing so, and wouldn’t do it again.
Yes, you’re right. Freemasons report themselves that each Lodge is rather free to make up its own rituals. The Church has not made a connection between Freemasonry and devil worship. Some Protestant sects seem to think so, but that connection is a rumor. The Church’s problem with Freemasonry has mostly been that Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion…and therefore all religions are equally true.
 
Back when I was ignorant and not into faith at all, I took my son to the Shriner’s Circus. He seemed very afraid, and cried and seemed to HATE it the whole time, especially when the Shriner Clowns took a picture with him.
My husband and I were so perplexed, wanting him to enjoy it.

Now, knowing what I know now, I look back at that picture and think that maybe my young son in his young innocence, knew more than we did. Like, he could just sense the evil.
Hadn’t been blinded yet by culture and years of stewing in it.
**Now **I wouldn’t step foot in their circus.
And whenever they go by in a parade on the little cars…well, I just glare and make a cross out of my hands/fingers and hold it out in front.

Read Freemasonry:Mankind’s Hidden Enemy by Brother Charles Maddenn…very small short read, but EXCELLENT.
 
Back when I was ignorant and not into faith at all, I took my son to the Shriner’s Circus. He seemed very afraid, and cried and seemed to HATE it the whole time, especially when the Shriner Clowns took a picture with him.
My husband and I were so perplexed, wanting him to enjoy it.

Now, knowing what I know now, I look back at that picture and think that maybe my young son in his young innocence, knew more than we did. Like, he could just sense the evil.
Hadn’t been blinded yet by culture and years of stewing in it.
**Now **I wouldn’t step foot in their circus.
And whenever they go by in a parade on the little cars…well, I just glare and make a cross out of my hands/fingers and hold it out in front.

Read Freemasonry:Mankind’s Hidden Enemy by Brother Charles Maddenn…very small short read, but EXCELLENT.
I’m middle-aged and clowns still creep me out. Perhaps your son was just over-stimulated with all the noise and excitement and freaked out over the clowns. I’m not trying to diminish your spiritual perspective to this, but sometimes a creepy clown is just a creepy clown…whether he’s a shriner/mason or not.
 
Back when I was ignorant and not into faith at all, I took my son to the Shriner’s Circus. He seemed very afraid, and cried and seemed to HATE it the whole time, especially when the Shriner Clowns took a picture with him.
My husband and I were so perplexed, wanting him to enjoy it.

Now, knowing what I know now, I look back at that picture and think that maybe my young son in his young innocence, knew more than we did. Like, he could just sense the evil.
Hadn’t been blinded yet by culture and years of stewing in it.
**Now **I wouldn’t step foot in their circus.
And whenever they go by in a parade on the little cars…well, I just glare and make a cross out of my hands/fingers and hold it out in front.

Read Freemasonry:Mankind’s Hidden Enemy by Brother Charles Maddenn…very small short read, but EXCELLENT.
He sensed that clowns are evil.

😃

LOL, other than that Mrs. Lincoln…
 
I wouldn’t go simply because I think it’s cruel to have a circus with animals. Elephants belong in a forest, not standing in the middle of a circus ring.

:twocents:
 
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