Shroud of Secrecy

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I watched a video tape by the late Fr. John O’Connor a few days ago. In it, he mentioned the book Shroud of Secrecy, which was written by a group of Vatican prelates. The book discusses the Masonic infiltration of the hierarchy. The Priests wrote the book under a pen-name. The identity of one was discovered and he was run out of Rome and has since died.

I ordered the book a few days ago and was wondering if anyone here has read it?

I found the following website that has some excerpts:

trosch.org/bks/rvw/millenari.html
 
Haven’t heard of it. If such a event occured, still the Church remains under the protection of Peter who was promised by Our Lord that (even) the forces of hell shall not prevail against it.
 
Haven’t heard of it. If such a event occured, still the Church remains under the protection of Peter who was promised by Our Lord that (even) the forces of hell shall not prevail against it.
I agree that the gates of hell shall not prevail, but they can indeed do a lot of damage… at least as long as God permits. And any protection by the Pope will only occur if the Pope uses his authority to protect the Church. If the Pope does nothing, and permits virtually everything, what good is his Divine authority?

But, on one level, we can’t complain because God is perfectly just and we certainly deserve whatever we get. But what we must do is take measures to protect ourselves, lest we perish with the wolves for all eternity.

Dom Prosper Guéranger,: “When the shepherd becomes a wolf, the first duty of the flock is to defend itself”.
 
I agree that the gates of hell shall not prevail, but they can indeed do a lot of damage… at least as long as God permits. And any protection by the Pope will only occur if the Pope uses his authority to protect the Church. If the Pope does nothing, and permits virtually everything, what good is his Divine authority?

But, on one level, we can’t complain because God is perfectly just and we certainly deserve whatever we get. But what we must do is take measures to protect ourselves, lest we perish with the wolves for all eternity.

Dom Prosper Guéranger,: “When the shepherd becomes a wolf, the first duty of the flock is to defend itself”.
I’ve lived under six Popes. I’ve known none to be wolves.
 
Back in the day (the 400s) it was estimated that 75% of the laity and 90% of the clergy had succumbed to the Arian heresy.

But. . .even the Pope who himself had ‘leanings’ never promulgated any teachings that were this heresy. And within 2 or 3 generations, thanks to the vigorous preaching of men like Athanasius. . .the heresy disappeared and the Church was once again fully orthodox --not only that, this occurred at the time that Rome was falling to the barbarians and it was due to the Catholic Church–restored to full vigor and faith–that civilization was saved, as it was the Church who rescued many books, kept up through monasteries things like agriculture, routines and ways of life which preserved the faith such that even if 99 out of 100 monks would be killed, the remaining one was able to ‘recreate’ all that had gone into the monastery, start again, and keep things going.

In the first century of the faith, while many were converting, many also were falling into error, listening to ‘another gospel’, having to be admonished, reinstructed, etc. --and many were being killed. Yet through all the difficulties, the faith itself prospered.

So even if there has been an infiltration into the hierarchy (by masons, communists, active homosexuals, you name it), even if the faith of the average U.S. Catholic seems to be weakened or dying, even if the ‘majority’ of Catholics deny some or all teachings, etc. . .that doesn’t mean the Church is dying, or has been overthrown.

It means we are in a ‘turning point’. The Church has been through many such; it’s just that most of today’s Catholics are not aware of their history, and these cycles, and think that because they were told that from say 1930 to 1960 the Catholic Church was great, powerful, that everybody went to Church, dressed properly, knew the faith perfectly, and nobody was discriminated against and everybody was good–that all the ‘uproar’ in the last 40 years is something AMAZING, unheard of in Catholicism, etc. It isn’t.

A lot of things were exaggerated or twisted about the ‘halcyon days’ of the 1930s to 1960s. For one thing, it wasn’t just Catholics who were more ‘together’. There was a lot less ‘diversity’ in those years. TV only really started in the 1950s. Before that, radio had only just become popular in the 1920s. Also the 1930s were the Depression era, the 1940s had World War 2, the 1950s the Korean War and the rise of communism.

There were many fewer THINGS and a lot more WORK in those times (leading to less ‘leisure’ time and IDLENESS, and to people appreciating what they HAD.) And people were drawn together by common bonds. . .bonds of poverty in the 30s, bonds of patriotism in the 40s, bonds of ‘trying to build a better future’ in the 50s. There was a great deal of mutal respect.

Yet there was still discrimination. While the Irish had been unwanted here in the U.S. in the last 19th century, most of them had worked their way into the middle class by the 30s. It was the Eastern European Catholics who became ‘low man on the totem pole’ in mid 20th century. Italians had their own troubles in the early years of the war; Bavarian German heritage Catholics as well. So there began to be ‘little class wars’ even among Catholics. Of course there was discrimination against Catholics, Jews, and blacks in that period as well. Many claim sexual discrimination (the glass ceiling) although one also needs to be aware that with the poverty of the 30s calling for both men and women to work to live, the 40s needing women to work on the home front while the men fought, and then the need to ‘build the economy’ and to provide jobs not just for the returning soldier but the beginnings of the ‘baby boom’ generation, but also the huge influx of people coming (legally and not) into the U.S., there was a reason that corporate America was ‘encouraging’ women to ‘stay home’ briefly. They may not have been correct in their reasons but they weren’t being malicious or anti-woman.
 
So even if there has been an infiltration into the hierarchy (by masons, communists, active homosexuals, you name it), even if the faith of the average U.S. Catholic seems to be weakened or dying, even if the ‘majority’ of Catholics deny some or all teachings, etc. . .that doesn’t mean the Church is dying, or has been overthrown.
I agree, the Church will recover. I have no doubt about that. The crisis that we are currently in has been predicted by many saints, as well as teh restoration that will be taking place soon.
 
Another site with links that talks about how the gobbuluns er gonna git us ef we don’t watch out!

The fact that the link at the top left is supposedly gives popes going to hell or in hell should tell you something about the very sobriety of this site.
 
So even if there has been an infiltration into the hierarchy (by masons, communists, active homosexuals, you name it), even if the faith of the average U.S. Catholic seems to be weakened or dying, even if the ‘majority’ of Catholics deny some or all teachings, etc. . .that doesn’t mean the Church is dying, or has been overthrown.
I agree, the Church will recover. I have no doubt about that. The crisis that we are currently in has been predicted by many saints, as well as teh restoration that will be taking place soon.
I think we are all on the same page here. The Church will prevail, not the gates of hell. The wolf prowls, but the shepherd protects.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Didn’t Dante, in the Divine Comedy, portray a Pope who was in hell?

(I totally love our popes but there have been some bad ‘men’ who nevertheless, as Popes, at least did not teach error. Surely when you have someone with such a tremendously important spiritual role, their ‘personal’ errors might be more ‘weighty’ than the personal error of an individual who was only responsible for his own soul and not for the direction of millions of Christians. . .)
 
This site has a link about how Benedict XVI should resign “for the good of the true Church.” Did you see it?

What does that say about the churchmanship of the owner of this site, and hence its trustworthiness generally?
 
This site the original poster gave is maintained by a certain Fr. Frosch. He also said THIS on another page on this site:

<< Only moral priests may confect the Holy Eucharist (bring Jesus present). Infiltrators such as satanists (or who later become satanists, etc.), government agents, and those not morally qualified for priesthood (includes those who are morally excommunicated) cannot exercise the priestly function relating to the Sacrament of Holy Eucharist (immoral priests do a sham performance). Only a moral priest has or retains such authority.>>

**This is nothing more or less than the heresy of Donatism. The Church specifically teaches that the moral state of the priest does NOT affect the validity or efficacy of the Sacrament he celebrates, especially the Eucharist. (Though a sinful priest may well celebrate unto his own condemnation.)

Furthermore, you are either excommunicated or your are not. There’s no such thing as being “morally excommunicated.”**
 
This site has a link about how Benedict XVI should resign “for the good of the true Church.” Did you see it?

What does that say about the churchmanship of the owner of this site, and hence its trustworthiness generally?
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

With a link like that --I would be very, very careful.

While it is true that even a broken clock can be right once (or otwice --depends on whether it is a 12 hour or a 24 hour clock 😃 ) a day. . .if there is questionable material on the links, I’d be wary.

OP–Have you tried checking out this site on Catholic Culture? They have a LOT of site reviews and rate fidelity (green light - good; yellow light- caution; red light - danger.). I would check this out. . .
 
Oh good. Now we have another conspiracy book by an author who didn’t even have the courage to sign his own name to his work.

Oh, I forgot; the Masons, the Illuminati, and probably the little green men were all out to assasinate him…
 
This site has a link about how Benedict XVI should resign “for the good of the true Church.” Did you see it?

What does that say about the churchmanship of the owner of this site, and hence its trustworthiness generally?
No, I have not seen the site and I do not care to. Perhaps you should report it to the moderators for proper action.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed b
 
D Surely when you have someone with such a tremendously important spiritual role, their ‘personal’ errors might be more ‘weighty’ than the personal error of an individual who was only responsible for his own soul and not for the direction of millions of Christians. . .)
This is true of anyone serving the Church in an official capacity, Bishop, priest, deacon, brother nun, etc. This is because of the biblical phrase, “Those to whom much is given, much is to be expected.” Those of us who have the sacrament of Holy Orders for example in confession must declare to the confessor our state in life., e…g., I have to say, Bless me, etc., I am a married deacon. A priest would have to declare that he is a priest, and so on. This is because the culpability of sin is greater for us than those who do not have the grace of a religious life, of orders, etc. This is also why you always hear us say, please pray for us. Which I again state, Please Pray For Us.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
I watched a video tape by the late Fr. John O’Connor a few days ago. In it, he mentioned the book Shroud of Secrecy, which was written by a group of Vatican prelates. The book discusses the Masonic infiltration of the hierarchy. The Priests wrote the book under a pen-name. The identity of one was discovered and he was run out of Rome and has since died.

I ordered the book a few days ago and was wondering if anyone here has read it?

I found the following website that has some excerpts:

trosch.org/bks/rvw/millenari.html
I can’t comment on the book, as I haven’t read it, but please know that the website you link to is that of a priest whose faculties have been suspended because of the outrageous views he holds and the things he advocates, e.g., the killing of those who perform abortions. He is a nut of the first order. We have personal, unpleasant experience with him, as he used to be an associate in our parish, two decades ago, until his crazy homilies caused a storm of protest. My dh is a journalist in the area and has occasionally been contacted by him; he is a very scary man.

I would avoid that website like the plague.
 
**please know that the website you link to is that of a priest whose faculties have been suspended…>>

**Et reliqua.

Why am I not one bit surprised?**
 
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