Shroud of Turin?

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I’ve noticed that the nail holes on the man pictured on the shroud are in his wrists. This comes in conflict with John 19:36, which states, “not a bone of him shall be broken.” If you know simple anatomy, you realize that there is no way that someone can pound nails into someone’s wrists without breaking some bones. Anybody else have any other ideas?
 
Just_One_Touch said:
I’ve noticed that the nail holes on the man pictured on the shroud are in his wrists. This comes in conflict with John 19:36, which states, “not a bone of him shall be broken.” If you know simple anatomy, you realize that there is no way that someone can pound nails into someone’s wrists without breaking some bones. Anybody else have any other ideas?
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Dr. Barbet studied this very question in the early 1900s; among other things, actually nailing dead bodies, and amputated arms, by the wrist to beams.

He discovered that the nail, if passed through an area called Destot’s space, will in fact not break the bones, but will be locked between them.

This is all in his book, A DOCTOR AT CALVARY.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
Dr. Barbet studied this very question in the early 1900s; among other things, actually nailing dead bodies, and amputated arms, by the wrist to beams.

He discovered that the nail, if passed through an area called Destot’s space, will in fact not break the bones, but will be locked between them.

This is all in his book, A DOCTOR AT CALVARY.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
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Kind of disturbing, but thank you for the information.
 
Just_One_Touch said:
Kind of disturbing, but thank you for the information.
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Indeed, there’s nothing that should be non-disturbing about someone hanging by his hands to bleed to death!:eek:

That’s why the story of our LORD is a “stumbling block” to many of our fellow sinners.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
The nail holes are in his hands on the shroud. His thumbs are turned inward which is in keeping with a sturdy nail going in between the hand bones. Also tests have proved that the flesh of the hands can sustain the body weight when nailed to a cross. You won’t find any expert opinion saying that it depicts Christ nailed through the wrists.

My faith in Christ does not depend on the Shroud of Turin so it doesn’t matter (for me) if the depiction conflicts with the Bible anyway.
 
roveau said:
The nail holes are in his hands on the shroud. His thumbs are turned inward which is in keeping with a sturdy nail going in between the hand bones. Also tests have proved that the flesh of the hands can sustain the body weight when nailed to a cross. You won’t find any expert opinion saying that it depicts Christ nailed through the wrists.

My faith in Christ does not depend on the Shroud of Turin so it doesn’t matter (for me) if the depiction conflicts with the Bible anyway.
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The reason the thumbs are bent in is because when the nail is shot through the wrist it hits a nerve which causes the thumb to bend inwards and become paralyzed.
 
There is no conflict with scripture in any case.

The Greek word for hand, XEIPA, refers to the entire upper limb (shoulder to fingertips).

So a nail passing through the wrist bones would in fact be, in Greek, going through the “hand”.

You see this usage again in Acts when chains fall off of St. Peter’s “hands” even though the chains were surely around his wrists or forearms.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
Pieman333272 said:
The reason the thumbs are bent in is because when the nail is shot through the wrist it hits a nerve which causes the thumb to bend inwards and become paralyzed.
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Or, as an alternative interpretation would have it, the thumbs are missing from the Shroud image because their natural position both in death and in the living person is in the front of and slightly to the side of the index finger. Hence it would be next to impossible to have impressions of the thumbs because the Shroud would not be in contact with them.
 
Just_One_Touch said:
Kind of disturbing, but thank you for the information.
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That’s it. When we’re talking about crucifixion (admittedly I’ve read about it for quite a while), ‘disturbing’ would be the right word. Crucifixion was designed to be a disgraceful, humiliating, painful, even obscene way to die.
 
The fact that the nails go through the wrists proves that the shroud is in fact true.
If the nails were put through Christ’s hands, the body wouldn’t be supported. Plus, if you feel your wrists, there is a soft spot in the place that the nails would have gone through. This shows that the Shroud still doesn’t conflict with the Bible.
 
patrick457 said:
That’s it. When we’re talking about crucifixion (admittedly I’ve read about it for quite a while), ‘disturbing’ would be the right word. Crucifixion was designed to be a disgraceful, humiliating, painful, even obscene way to die.
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All death is humiliating and obscene; but our LORD, like everything else in HIS life, took it to the max.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
There is no conflict with scripture in any case.

The Greek word for hand, XEIPA, refers to the entire upper limb (shoulder to fingertips).

So a nail passing through the wrist bones would in fact be, in Greek, going through the “hand”.

You see this usage again in Acts when chains fall off of St. Peter’s “hands” even though the chains were surely around his wrists or forearms.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
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This points out how important it is to use good translation rather than transliteration.

When my kids were first learning English we had several funny moments. The Russian word for Fingers is the same word they use for Toes. So my kids would say they stubbed their fingers. :rotfl:
 
AltarBoy99 said:
The fact that the nails go through the wrists proves that the shroud is in fact true.
If the nails were put through Christ’s hands, the body wouldn’t be supported. Plus, if you feel your wrists, there is a soft spot in the place that the nails would have gone through. This shows that the Shroud still doesn’t conflict with the Bible.
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A theory bandied by Dr. Pierre Barbet, but now purportedly shown to be no longer a viable theory.
 
patrick457 said:
Or, as an alternative interpretation would have it, the thumbs are missing from the Shroud image because their natural position both in death and in the living person is in the front of and slightly to the side of the index finger. Hence it would be next to impossible to have impressions of the thumbs because the Shroud would not be in contact with them.
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I’ve never seen that hypothesis before. Very nice, very nice, makes much more sense. 👍
 
AltarBoy99 said:
**The fact that the nails go through the wrists proves that the shroud is in fact true.**If the nails were put through Christ’s hands, the body wouldn’t be supported. Plus, if you feel your wrists, there is a soft spot in the place that the nails would have gone through. This shows that the Shroud still doesn’t conflict with the Bible.
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That is a ridiculous comment to make. You are stating the Shroud is proven as true while not even the Church has declared that. Interesting that you know better than the Church. There is no evidence to show the Shroud is the burial cloth of Christ. In fact there is plenty of evidence to show it is not. It was made using a camera obscura in the Middle Ages.
 
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