Shroud of Turin

[Mount_Carmel]

It was found to be a forgery using an early, crude photographic process. I saw that on the Shroud of Turin episode of the CNN series “Finding Jesus.”

cnn.com/2015/03/03/living/finding-jesus-q-a-shroud-turin/

Amongst a number of very interesting ‘YouTube’ vids I have come across is one by a top ‘Jewish’ photographer who was on the STURP team that looked at the Shroud, using NASA and Los Alamos [then] cutting edge technology:

youtu.be/NKWJ_yzkgGI.

It is interesting that he said even his Yiddisher momma is convinced that it is the burial shroud of Jesus.

I find it fascinating and awesome that at the moment of the image imprint the body appears to have had no weight. That folks with nuclear/radiation expertise have said that some sort of ‘radiation’ appears to have been emitted from the Body. Could this have been the very moment of the Resurrection? If so, no wonder there was no issue with having to roll away the 1.5-2 ton stone, and that the guard had legged it away.

 

[Telstar]

You can put me in the “I believe it’s authentic” category. I’ve believed it was real since I first heard about it’s history, back in the early 70s. At that time, my belief was just based on an inner inspiration that it was real. But, since that time, I’ve read a lot about it from various sources, both pro and con. The C14 testing was painful to learn about when the results came back, but I still felt there had to be something wrong with the testing. (I was that convinced that it was real.) Now, scientists have discovered that the samples that were taken for testing were in a section of the cloth along the edge that had been repaired in the 13th century with cotton fibers, as opposed to the original material, which was linen. The two cloths were from different time periods, thus the mixed results in dating the samples.

Last week, EWTN’s series Women of Grace did 5 episodes with Dr. J. Wayne Phillips, an expert on the shroud, who had some new information concerning other testing that’s been done in the last few years, that I certainly found extremely interesting. You can see the series, here. It might just tip your belief a little more toward the “authentic” side, too.

 

[marymary1975]

I read that one of the scientists working on the shroud said, If this is not burial cloth of Jesus Christ, then you better start looking for someone that was killed the same way he was. Not sure who said it but I think hes right. The blood type matches the blood type on the Eucharistic Miracles !! Amazing. God Bless, Memaw

I think I saw the same quote too. I read another quote from another scientist along the lines of. If the shroud is a medieval fake the world should be in eternal mourning because we lack the name of the most amazing scientist and genius ever existing on earth. The guy had twentieth century technology in medieval days and nobody noticed it. What a shame.

Even one of the scientists interviewed in that same show of finding Jesus said with regard to that theory that if it is true that there was a rudimentary technology of photography back then how come the only product existing out of that technology is the shroud, where are the other ones and why no one knows about it?

 

[Karen107]

From all that I’ve read about it I believe it to be authentic. The Jews were obsessed with relics and this certainly was a relic…St. Paul even used his own handkerchiefs to reach areas that he couldn’t get to in order to heal them. So St. Paul knew about the power of relics such as this.

St. Paul acquired it and took it around as a flag to show that Jesus had risen from the dead as he preached about “the Resurrection!” So it began it’s journey. And there’s been accountings of it being passed around. Something this important and unique would be saved as an important part of our Christian lives even back then…

The Sons of Sceva
Acts 19:11 And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.

1 Corinthians 15: 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

[Memaw]

I think I saw the same quote too. I read another quote from another scientist along the lines of. If the shroud is a medieval fake the world should be in eternal mourning because we lack the name of the most amazing scientist and genius ever existing on earth. The guy had twentieth century technology in medieval days and nobody noticed it. What a shame.

I doubt they could ever duplicate the Shroud even with today’s technology !! God Bless. Memaw

 

[aidanbradypop]

From all that I’ve read about it I believe it to be authentic. The Jews were obsessed with relics and this certainly was a relic… St. Paul acquired it and took it around as a flag to show that Jesus had risen from the dead as he preached about “the Resurrection!” So it began it’s journey. And there’s been accountings of it being passed around. Something this important and unique would be saved as an important part of our Christian lives even back then…

1 Corinthians 15: 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Where is the evidence or source that Paul carried it around? Not that I discredit your statement but seems more like folklore than fact.

 

[Karen107]

Where is the evidence or source that Paul carried it around? Not that I discredit your statement but seems more like folklore than fact.

I heard it somewhere I believe on a ABC news story or something but can’t find it now. I did find these just now…

greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Definitions/edessa.html

religionfacts.com/christianity/things/shroud_of_turin.htm

Timeline of the Shroud of Turin

6th cent.

First reports of an image of Christ found in the city walls of Edessa, Turkey.

944

The Image of Edessa was transferred to Constantinople. Gregory Referendarius, archdeacon of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, made a sermon about the shroud in which he mentioned it was a full-length image and carried bloodstains.

1203

A Crusader knight named Robert de Clari claims to have seen the cloth in Constantinople.

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[aidanbradypop]

I heard it somewhere I believe on a ABC news story or something but can’t find it now. I did find these just now…

greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Definitions/edessa.html

religionfacts.com/christianity/things/shroud_of_turin.htm

Timeline of the Shroud of Turin

6th cent.

First reports of an image of Christ found in the city walls of Edessa, Turkey.

944

The Image of Edessa was transferred to Constantinople. Gregory Referendarius, archdeacon of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, made a sermon about the shroud in which he mentioned it was a full-length image and carried bloodstains.

1203

A Crusader knight named Robert de Clari claims to have seen the cloth in Constantinople.

• See more at: religionfacts.com/christianity/things/shroud_of_turin.htm#sthash.0gqhdruX.dpuf

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Oh ok. Thanks Karen. I will look into it

 

[Peregrinans]

It was found to be a forgery using an early, crude photographic process. I saw that on the Shroud of Turin episode of the CNN series “Finding Jesus.”

cnn.com/2015/03/03/living/finding-jesus-q-a-shroud-turin/

Read what the official photographer of the STURP team says about CNN claptrap about it being a crude early photo. Shroud

Also why would this 13th century forger:

Use real blood with bilirubin in his forgery when no one at the time could distinguish between animal or human blood. Not to mention that it was impossible for anyone, including the forger, to know of the existence of bilirubin.

How would the forger put the blood stains on first and then manage for the image not to appear below the image then remove the decaying murder victim without breaking the blood clots on the linen?

And the most obvious question is why would the forger make something as a photographic negative that no one would be able to see or understand properly for another 500 -700 years in the future? And if you were a super genius who were centuries ahead in anatomy, biology, chemistry, forensics, history and photography…why would you not: want fame and fortune? Why not complete the photographic process and deliver the images we have now of the Shroud? Why not take other pictures? I mean if he is a forger he would want money right? So who was the extraordinary human who did this and where is his other work?

 

[spedteacherita]

Considering St. Joseph has about 38 toes, I’ve never been one to cling much to relics. And that’s probably why I don’t know enough about it. Though for something that Christ actually touched, well…

Who wants to suggest some good reading?

 

[OurLadysServant]

Do you believe that the Shroud of Turin is the real burial shroud of Christ, a forgery, or are you agnostic on the matter?

I am personally agnostic about it. However, I am starting to take a great interest in it. I’ve known about it for a while but it has never interested me really till now for some reason.

Its real! I believe!

The.aetheist who proved.it.a fake spent the rest of his life proving it was real! He.died of cancer as a believer in Christ and that it was Christ’s Shroud!
He.said they cut an added piece from the Shroud from the 13th century.

Scientific study found pollen on the Shroud dating to the years Jesus walked the earth from Palestine!

They found blood type AB on it.

The Miracle of Laciano in Italy has a host that turned into Jesus real flesh and blood and scientists proved this is blood type AB also!

Because its the blood of Jesus.

It exactly matches biblical description of Jesus wounds. Lance in His side. Wounds in His hands and feet. A scourged body. evidence of the.Crown of Thorns. Bearded face. 32 year old man.

A shroud of linen is mentioned in the Bible too.

Legends say St James brought the Shroud with Him and it cured a pagan king.
The Shroud has a history of what countries it was in, what places, and what years. Guess what, the pollen on the Shroud also matches the places and times and dates of the Shroud’s history exactly from Palestine during Jesus Time to the present day. Try forge that!

Scientists said its physically impossible to have been created 2000 years ago. They still cannot determine what substance the image is made of. They said its not from earth.

A new documentary on the history channel says, laser or radiation could have created it, at the moment of the Ressurrection!.

Believe the history, believe the science, believe the biblical evidence that matches, believe the miracle,

The evidence has spoken

 

[Memaw]

Considering St. Joseph has about 38 toes, I’ve never been one to cling much to relics. And that’s probably why I don’t know enough about it. Though for something that Christ actually touched, well…

Who wants to suggest some good reading?

They don’t even know when St. Joseph died, let along how many toes he had. You shouldn’t believe everything you hear!!! Don’t be so gullible, I’d say. God Bless, Memaw

 

[aidanbradypop]

They don’t even know when St. Joseph died, let along how many toes he had. You shouldn’t believe everything you hear!!! Don’t be so gullible, I’d say. God Bless, Memaw

Memaw (love the name)

The same could be said to a believer from a non.

 

[Memaw]

Memaw (love the name)

The same could be said to a believer from a non.

That’s what my youngest grandaughter used to call me when she was little. God Bless, memaw

 

[aidanbradypop]

That’s what my youngest grandaughter used to call me when she was little. God Bless, memaw

My boys call my mom “Mimi” and she thinks that is the coolest name ever. They call my dad PopPop.

A priest friend doubts the shroud.

 

[Peregrinans]

I don’t know for sure about the shroud. The biggest block I have to it is from the description of a head cloth rolled up in a place all by itself in a place separated from the other linen ( John 20: 7).

The Sudarium of Oviedo is thought to be the head cloth. It has no image just blood, and they have matched up the blood patterns with those on the section of the shroud that covered the face.

 

[aidanbradypop]

The Gospel of John[19:38–40] refers to strips of linen used by Joseph of Arimathea and states that Apostle Peter found multiple pieces of burial cloth after the tomb was found open, strips of linen cloth for the body and a separate cloth for the head.[20:6–7] The Gospel of The Hebrews, states that Jesus gave the linen cloth to the servant of the priest.

In 1543 John Calvin, in his Treatise on Relics, wrote of the shroud, “How is it possible that those sacred historians, who carefully related all the miracles that took place at Christ’s death, should have omitted to mention one so remarkable as the likeness of the body of our Lord remaining on its wrapping sheet?” In the Gospel of John[20:6–7] Calvin concluded that strips of linen were used to cover the body (excluding the head) and a separate cloth to cover the head. He then stated that "either St. John is a liar, or else anyone who promotes such a shroud is “convicted of falsehood and deceit”.

 

[Peregrinans]

There is a strip of linen that was originally part of the main part of the linen that was cut off the long end and then reattatched later on. This is thought to have been wound around the neck, middle, knees and legs after the body was wrapped in the main cloth. Obviously to secure it. Jews have never wrapped bodies mummy style. So we have, main cloth, securing cloth strip and head napkin = cloths or pieces of cloths. Also they might not have seen the image at first it is very faint and it was a dark cave. Later they would have kept it secret, since it would have certainly been destroyed in the wrong hands. ****

The Gospel of John[19:38–40] refers to strips of linen used by Joseph of Arimathea and states that Apostle Peter found multiple pieces of burial cloth after the tomb was found open, strips of linen cloth for the body and a separate cloth for the head.[20:6–7] The Gospel of The Hebrews, states that Jesus gave the linen cloth to the servant of the priest.

In 1543 John Calvin, in his Treatise on Relics, wrote of the shroud, “How is it possible that those sacred historians, who carefully related all the miracles that took place at Christ’s death, should have omitted to mention one so remarkable as the likeness of the body of our Lord remaining on its wrapping sheet?” In the Gospel of John[20:6–7] Calvin concluded that strips of linen were used to cover the body (excluding the head) and a separate cloth to cover the head. He then stated that "either St. John is a liar, or else anyone who promotes such a shroud is “convicted of falsehood and deceit”.

 

[OurLadysServant]

God made very sure that the Bible was Public Revelation of Jesus, the Word made flesh.

There is MUCH church tradition handed down outside of this from the Early Church.

If the apostles were keeping God’s commands to publicise Jesus Risen and not miraculous relics for the Early Church, is God not allowed to withold what He wishes to withhold in His timing?

Is it not okay for John to leave it out for that reason?

None of the relics of the Passion are followed up upon in the Bible because the focus in the Bible is on Public Revelation of Jesus Himself.

Yet the church has much historical relics from the Passion such as from when St Helena discovered Christ’s tomb in Jerusalem, and found the True Cross.

Our Lady has had approved apparitions all over the world. The Bible rightly focuses the New Testament on Public Revelation of Jesus though. The Guadalupe shroud has a miraculous image of Our Lady on it. It is centuries later than the Turin Shroud. Yet scientists discovered whatever substance not of earth that made the Turin Shroud’s image, that same substance not of earth made the Guadalupe Shroud image.
aidanbradypop;1287for:

The Gospel of John[19:38–40] refers to strips of linen used by Joseph of Arimathea and states that Apostle Peter found multiple pieces of burial cloth after the tomb was found open, strips of linen cloth for the body and a separate cloth for the head.[20:6–7] The Gospel of The Hebrews, states that Jesus gave the linen cloth to the servant of the priest.

In 1543 John Calvin, in his Treatise on Relics, wrote of the shroud, “How is it possible that those sacred historians, who carefully related all the miracles that took place at Christ’s death, should have omitted to mention one so remarkable as the likeness of the body of our Lord remaining on its wrapping sheet?” In the Gospel of John[20:6–7] Calvin concluded that strips of linen were used to cover the body (excluding the head) and a separate cloth to cover the head. He then stated that "either St. John is a liar, or else anyone who promotes such a shroud is “convicted of falsehood and deceit”.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Yet the church has much historical relics from the Passion such as from when St Helena discovered Christ’s tomb in Jerusalem, and found the True Cross.

That is highly debatable. She found sites all on folklore. The Apostles were not that cpncerned with such relics.

Our Lady has had approved apparitions all over the world. The Bible rightly focuses the New Testament on Public Revelation of Jesus though. The Guadalupe shroud has a miraculous of Our Lady on it. It is centuries later than the Turin Shroud. Yet scientists discovered whatever substance not of earth that made the Turin Shroud’s image, that same substance not of earth made the Guadalupe Shroud image.

If all that stuff makes you a better follower of Christ and strengthens your relationship then that is awesome. I tend to shy away from such things. Not because they are Catholic but because they do nothing for my relationship with Jesus.