Shroud of Turin

[Mimi_of_8]

Since there has already been a determined match in blood type (AB) between the Shroud of Turin and the Eucharistic Miracle at
Lanciano, why can’t a DNA match be determined?

In Christ,
Mimi of 8

 

[Ignatius2000]

Since there has already been a determined match in blood type (AB) between the Shroud of Turin and the Eucharistic Miracle at
Lanciano, why can’t a DNA match be determined?

In Christ,
Mimi of 8

Interestingly enough, I do recall this quotation (from Akita), “…] In addition to tears from her statue, her right hand oozed a reddish-brown fluid on a number of occasions. Once again, when this fluid was tested, it was determined to be of human origin - blood type AB.” (source).

Rather interesting that (presumably) Jesus’s blood type is AB, as is Mary’s, therefore (according to biology…stuff) God’s blood type is either A, AB, or B

 

[littleone]

Since there has already been a determined match in blood type (AB) between the Shroud of Turin and the Eucharistic Miracle at
Lanciano, why can’t a DNA match be determined?

In Christ,
Mimi of 8

Iagree that the proof can be right in front of those who need to have the truth, I can only give you this analysis. The world is run by "systems” of scientific nature. Those running the systems are using psychological analysis, therefore all they relate to is what is seen which is able to be measured. Science cannot measure spirit; it will not give relevance to spiritual nature,
(Anything to do with Jesus Christ).

Take for instance the biblical theories that have been plastered on TV here in New Zealand every night. they are all scientifically measured therefore the theory cannot relate to God’s relevance. The measure never goes right into the final proof of whether Jesus died, rose, and was here on earth in a design of salvation. Just think of what that would do to science if they had to give in to Jesus coming to bring salvation.

Take also the crossing of the Red Sea by Moses, the program related all around the subject, but never in the truth. I have a video that shows a group of archaeologists diving in the Red Sea and it shows all these chariot wheels and skeletons of horses. These photos prove the whereabouts of the crossing and it proves the crossing. I have many photos and videos of this nature, that prove God’s ability and truth.

The proof of the Shroud should be in whether miracles can come from the shroud, by touching it, by praying for miracles of significance and or health given back to some persons, or through it in any other form there may be. There is enough proof of the figure being in direct line of how a person such as Jesus Christ who went through many persecutions of the body.

what else do we need. I myself accept it as the clothe put over Jesus, who else could have such a strong electric current still traveling through it, after 2000 years. The proof that the cloth is made up of a fabric found at that time made only in Nazerith, and only in the vicinity of where Jesus lived is proved scientificly
Well God bless, those are my thoughts,
littleone.

 

[thistle]

Iagree that the proof can be right in front of those who need to have the truth, I can only give you this analysis. The world is run by "systems” of scientific nature. Those running the systems are using psychological analysis, therefore all they relate to is what is seen which is able to be measured. Science cannot measure spirit; it will not give relevance to spiritual nature,
(Anything to do with Jesus Christ).

Take for instance the biblical theories that have been plastered on TV here in New Zealand every night. they are all scientifically measured therefore the theory cannot relate to God’s relevance. The measure never goes right into the final proof of whether Jesus died, rose, and was here on earth in a design of salvation. Just think of what that would do to science if they had to give in to Jesus coming to bring salvation.

Take also the crossing of the Red Sea by Moses, the program related all around the subject, but never in the truth. I have a video that shows a group of archaeologists diving in the Red Sea and it shows all these chariot wheels and skeletons of horses. These photos prove the whereabouts of the crossing and it proves the crossing. I have many photos and videos of this nature, that prove God’s ability and truth.

The proof of the Shroud should be in whether miracles can come from the shroud, by touching it, by praying for miracles of significance and or health given back to some persons, or through it in any other form there may be. There is enough proof of the figure being in direct line of how a person such as Jesus Christ who went through many persecutions of the body.

what else do we need. I myself accept it as the clothe put over Jesus, who else could have such a strong electric current still traveling through it, after 2000 years. **The proof that the cloth is made up of a fabric found at that time made only in Nazerith, and only in the vicinity of where Jesus lived is proved scientificly **Well God bless, those are my thoughts,
littleone.

Show me your source for this because it has not yet been proved that the cloth is 2000 years old.

 

[homewardbound]

Show me your source for this because it has not yet been proved that the cloth is 2000 years old.

no real proof here, though I watched a great documentary on it on EWTN a week or two ago that traced its travels in detail from Jesus’s time to now. Seemed pretty convincing to me. Might be able to find information about the show, and any sources perhaps, on their website. About its age, I think they said no conclusive testing has been able to be done scientifically. Baffling scientists.

 

[homewardbound]

Show me your source for this because it has not yet been proved that the cloth is 2000 years old.

no real proof here, though I watched a great documentary on it on EWTN a week or two ago that traced its travels in detail from Jesus’s time to now. Seemed pretty convincing to me. Might be able to find information about the show, and any sources perhaps, on their website. About its age, I think they said no conclusive testing has been able to be done scientifically. Baffling scientists.

 

[homewardbound]

Show me your source for this because it has not yet been proved that the cloth is 2000 years old.

no real proof here, though I watched a great documentary on it on EWTN a week or two ago that traced its travels in detail from Jesus’s time to now. Seemed pretty convincing to me. Might be able to find information about the show, and any sources perhaps, on their website. About its age, I think they said no conclusive testing has been able to be done scientifically. Baffling scientists.

 

[thistle]

no real proof here, though I watched a great documentary on it on EWTN a week or two ago that traced its travels in detail from Jesus’s time to now. Seemed pretty convincing to me. Might be able to find information about the show, and any sources perhaps, on their website. About its age, I think they said no conclusive testing has been able to be done scientifically. Baffling scientists.

Don’t get me wrong. I am also inclined to believe it. Its just that I wish people would stop saying that it has been proved scientifically to be authentic when that is simply not the case, at least not yet. All that has been proven so far is that pollen found on the cloth is of a type found in the Holy Land.

 

[homewardbound]

Don’t get me wrong. I am also inclined to believe it. Its just that I wish people would stop saying that it has been proved scientifically to be authentic when that is simply not the case, at least not yet. All that has been proven so far is that pollen found on the cloth is of a type found in the Holy Land.

Right! That is one thing they said in the show as well.

 

[MickC]

Recent evidence suggests that there’s a serious problem with the Carbon 14 dating. An ultraviolet light image of the cloth, pre-dating the Carbon 14 test was re-examined and revealed heavy contamination of the corner of the cloth from which the sample was taken. The Oxford Carbon Dating is likely to be in error.

The cloth used to wrap the head of Christ when he was taken down from the cross (and mentioned in the fourth Gospel) is believed to be in a church in Spain and has been there since the 7th Century. The cloth contains blood stains (AB) that match the blood stains on the shroud (AB). There is also evidence to show the history of this cloth, taking it back to the first century.

The shroud also has a seam that is stitched in a particular style, the same style as seams on cloths found at Mesada and known to date from within 70 years of Christ’s death. This style of stitching is unique and not found anywhere else on the planet.

This is just scratching the surface of the recent scientific evidence that suggests the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. However, proof one way or the other is not possible at present.

 

[Ignatius2000]

The cloth contains blood stains (AB) that match the blood stains on the shroud (AB).

I don’t know why I’m on such a kick about blood type, but let it be known that individuals with type AB blood only comprise 3.9% of the American population. Type AB is a sort of hybrid blood type that occurred when A and B type racial peoples began to intermingle. We know that many racial Jews have blood type B and that many Mediterranean peoples are type A, so logic dictates that God is Italian…

</conclusion jumping nonsensery>

 

[LilyM]

Since there has already been a determined match in blood type (AB) between the Shroud of Turin and the Eucharistic Miracle at
Lanciano, why can’t a DNA match be determined?

In Christ,
Mimi of 8

Given that the Eucharistic miracle happened over 1250 years ago, and the Shroud, if authentic, is 2,000 years old, it may be just a tad bit difficult to do decent DNA analysis of them - we don’t know that they haven’t been contaminated by inexpert handling, for example.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Any more discussion or information regarding the theory that the Shroud of Turin might actually also have been used as the table cloth at the Last Supper.

[Apparently the size, thread count, and the faint presence of stains left by dinner plates suggest that the cloth was a table cloth and the disciples were surprised by Jesus’ execution. Owing to shops being closed on account of Passover, the only suitable burial cloth would have been the tablecloth from the Last Supper seder.]

 

[Teelynn]

Recent evidence suggests that there’s a serious problem with the Carbon 14 dating. An ultraviolet light image of the cloth, pre-dating the Carbon 14 test was re-examined and revealed heavy contamination of the corner of the cloth from which the sample was taken. The Oxford Carbon Dating is likely to be in error.

The cloth used to wrap the head of Christ when he was taken down from the cross (and mentioned in the fourth Gospel) is believed to be in a church in Spain and has been there since the 7th Century. The cloth contains blood stains (AB) that match the blood stains on the shroud (AB). There is also evidence to show the history of this cloth, taking it back to the first century.

The shroud also has a seam that is stitched in a particular style, the same style as seams on cloths found at Mesada and known to date from within 70 years of Christ’s death. This style of stitching is unique and not found anywhere else on the planet.

This is just scratching the surface of the recent scientific evidence that suggests the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. However, proof one way or the other is not possible at present.

You are exactly right on about all of these facts. Just this evening I watched the documentary on the history channel that concluded all of these facts. Wish I could remember the name of the cloth used to wrap the head of Christ believed to be in Spain. They believe it is the “sister cloth” to the Shroud of Turin.

 

[Teelynn]

Where did I read that an expert in the field has determined that the facial bone structure on the Shroud and the facial bone structure in the painting of Our Lord given to St. Faustina in the original Divine Mercy painting she was instructed by Him to have done are an*** exact match***? Am I getting my preliminary (if not very sketchy) facts straight?? Anyone know??

 

[littleone]

Don’t get me wrong. I am also inclined to believe it. Its just that I wish people would stop saying that it has been proved scientifically to be authentic when that is simply not the case, at least not yet. All that has been proven so far is that pollen found on the cloth is of a type found in the Holy Land.

The scientific proof was not conclusive at first because they took the samples from the corners. What do we know about the corners? People pick the cloth up by the corners so any information taken from those areas will relate to the times last touched in those areas.
The proof was found in other samples of centre pieces. The tweed used in the shroud was found to be that used in the Nazareth area and the binding was one used by certain people as is well known of those tribal or town people Mor so is that the tweed was used around 2000 years ago. I do though have a video that has knowledge maybe the one mentioned by others that I’ll look for in my library.

There seems to be that usual scientific desire to refuse any proof that relates to God’s people having proof of any biblical happening to be verified. One such happening that I have proof of is the crossing of the red sea by Moses which I have a video of, of divers photographing chariot wheels, horse skeletons people ribs etc.
Any way God bless, I’ll find the info and give you a copy
God bless
littleone

 

[Larry1700]

Wish I could remember the name of the cloth used to wrap the head of Christ believed to be in Spain. They believe it is the “sister cloth” to the Shroud of Turin.

I believe it is called the Sudarium.

 

[Teelynn]

Thanks Larry!

 

[maryj]

Where did I read that an expert in the field has determined that the facial bone structure on the Shroud and the facial bone structure in the painting of Our Lord given to St. Faustina in the original Divine Mercy painting she was instructed by Him to have done are an*** exact match***? Am I getting my preliminary (if not very sketchy) facts straight?? Anyone know??

Here you go! lifeandmercy.com/ Click on “Miraculous discoveries” and look upon the face of our Lord. God Bless

 

[DaveBj]

AB Neg, or AB Pos?

(I’m AB Neg.)

DaveBj