Shunned my gay best friend. Right or wrong?

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I haven’t spoken to my friend for a while now and I am starting to feel a bit guilty. He is also starting to feel upset about it. I tried to reach out to him on Facebook but he’s just not that type of person who likes to engage in ‘internet communication’ and insists that I ‘call him’ on the phone. At one point, he got very vocal about it online right after he noticed that I liked one of his posts (which made my feel embarrassed).

Main reason why I feel put off now from talking to him on the phone is because he talks about all these gay and feminine topics that I have no clear interest in. On our last conversation, I expressed my distaste about his topics of interest but he didn’t seem too happy to hear it. It got to the point where he used my faith and tried made me think that its ‘normal’. I told him that I was entitled to my opinion and he insulted me saying that “I won’t find anyone else.” just because I wasn’t into these things!?
 
Well, shunning someone because they are gay is wrong. But if you are uncomfortable around that person because of what they say, the way they behave and the way they talk to you, you have a right to distance yourself. I got the impression that is why you are avoiding him, because he is making you uncomfortable, and is saying things that are offensive to you.

Perhaps you could have an honest conversation, explain what you can and cannot support in terms of his SSA and see what happens. Friendship is not a one way street and the future of this friendship depends on how both of you will behave and how respectful you can be of each other.
 
What are “gay and feminine topics?” :ehh:

Anyways, you don’t have to talk to someone you don’t like talking to. Friendship is a two-way street. You also shouldn’t shun someone just because they’re gay, but it sounds like you’re just not interested in conversation. 🤷
 
Respect is a two way street. He should respect your beliefs also.
 
I haven’t spoken to my friend for a while now and I am starting to feel a bit guilty. He is also starting to feel upset about it. I tried to reach out to him on Facebook but he’s just not that type of person who likes to engage in ‘internet communication’ and insists that I ‘call him’ on the phone. At one point, he got very vocal about it online right after he noticed that I liked one of his posts (which made my feel embarrassed).

Main reason why I feel put off now from talking to him on the phone is because he talks about all these gay and feminine topics that I have no clear interest in. On our last conversation, I expressed my distaste about his topics of interest but he didn’t seem too happy to hear it. It got to the point where he used my faith and tried made me think that its ‘normal’. I told him that I was entitled to my opinion and he insulted me saying that “I won’t find anyone else.” just because I wasn’t into these things!?
It seems that you are no longer “best friends,” whether he is gay or not. I mean, the fact that he is openly gay and wants to discuss such topics with you means that you have nothing in common on that subject, which may dominate his life if he is “out” as gay. I’d just minimize contact and let the friendship go. You don’t have to shun him, if he asks, just say, “I don’t think we have very much in common any more.”

Are you male or female?
 
Just say “Look, if you were Jewish, and I wanted to talk about how delicious bacon is every time we talked, wouldn’t you get annoyed? I can’t relate to topics about an active homosexual lifestyle and you know this. I still like you as a person though and would still like to be friends, but we can’t if you insist on saying things that you know are against my faith. We have to respect each other.”

I disagree with the comments about not being friends anymore. Gay people have a very strong desire for acceptance and approval, especially from their close friends and loved ones. His constantly trying to change your mind is his own insecurity about his life choices and his need to be accepted by you. You have a real opportunity here to show him true Christian love and to make it perfectly clear that you still care about him very much, but that you just can’t condone the gay lifestyle. This could forever change how he views Christians. Don’t give him the opportunity to label you as a “hater” or bigot. Do what you can to save the friendship, and if that fails, at least you tried.
 
if what is coming out from His mouth is not Gloryfing God, please I will advice you to be WISE!!..
 
I once heard a Pentecostal pastor speak, and part of what he said stuck with me. He said, “When you give your life to Christ, and you start following Him, you don’t have to get rid of your old friends. They’ll just drop away. They’ll drop away.” Your friend will start shunning you once you make it clear you will not discuss or debate certain topics that you previously made a clear stand on.
 
Your friend will start shunning you once you make it clear you will not discuss or debate certain topics that you previously made a clear stand on.
I don’t know about that. There are topics that I don’t discuss with friends because we don’t agree on them, and we’re still friends.
 
What has changed? Has he just come out, or just gotten on some political bandwagon, or what? It doesn’t seem likely that a best friendship grew up with someone whose favorite topic of conversation is so far out of you comfort zone.

At any rate, friends don’t coerce you into wanting to listen to their favorite topic of conversation. Sometimes, too, when someone goes from one publicly-held set of core values to another, it is going to affect their friendships, particularly if they aren’t tolerant of friends who haven’t change theirs. There are people who believe that if you “come out” with something you’ve been pretending was otherwise for years on end that if everyone else isn’t thrilled about it that their friends “don’t love them unconditionally”. I find that unbelievably judgmental, to be honest. They get to struggle with being gay or transvestite or not wanting to be whatever it is they’ve represented themselves as for years on end, then the day they finally bit the bullet and drop the bombshell, everyone else is supposed to catch up to them in one happy heartbeat. That is not what unconditional love means.

Heaven can’t exist where every individual expects everyone else to comply with their every choice, but especially not if they expect instant compliance on their own terms, instead of a gradually-worked out new middle ground. It is simply not possible. Heaven can only exist where everyone complies together with at least the desire to follow the will of God.
 
Sounds like you were judged him and friends do not judge others. You could treat him with dignity and just silently pray for him if your views differ. As Christians we sometimes assume it is our job to correct others and fix them. No, we are called to love and it is Christ who brings about the changes. Maybe you could pray for a person to enter his life and bring about what God would want for him.
 
There do seem to be two issues running side by side - the gay issue and the lack of common interests issue. I’d suggest spending some time in reflection, discernment, and prayer about all of it. If you decide you and this person do have a good foundation for friendship then maybe you just need to have an honest conversation about the above issues.

If you then decide to keep going with the friendship then you need to agree on a set of boundaries regarding the difficult issues (i.e., how to handle it to avoid constant tension and bickering, and how to convey that you care for one another as friends even if you disagree on moral issues).

Then with the “what to talk about” issues - how about brainstorming some new topics of mutual interest? You could each make up a list and then see which things appear on both lists. This should also help break up the logjam you’re in and provide a fresh perspective.

Finally, make a pledge to one another that you’ll each do your best to interact in a mature fashion - no manipulativeness, no guilt trips, pity parties, and such. If a problem arises, you discuss it like mature adults if you can, or take an agreed-upon “time out” for a while.
 
Sounds like you were judged him and friends do not judge others. You could treat him with dignity and just silently pray for him if your views differ. As Christians we sometimes assume it is our job to correct others and fix them. No, we are called to love and it is Christ who brings about the changes. Maybe you could pray for a person to enter his life and bring about what God would want for him.
What part of the OPs post gave you that idea? It sounded to me as if the OP has failed to applaud her friend’s contention that homosexual acts are not disordered, but rather something to be protected and cherished, which they are not. That is often depicted as a judgmental attitude, but while we must accept other human beings, there is no moral imperative to refrain from saying out loud what the moral imperatives are, and they have not changed. Either that, or the OP is not calling on the phone because the OP wants to avoid a confrontation on the topic that the friend is failing to bring about. If the person you would correct is not going to accept your correction, there is no moral law compelling the OP to throw pearls before swine. At any rate, it seems like the friend, and not the OP, that is spoiling for a confrontation.

What exactly does that prayer ask for, “Maybe you could pray for a person to enter his life and bring about what God would want for him”? What sort of outcome would indicate you that this prayer had been answered? It sounds like a prayer that does not want to admit out loud what it is asking for, lest it offend someone…so what is it asking for, exactly? Be specific. 🤷
 
Just say “Look, if you were Jewish, and I wanted to talk about how delicious bacon is every time we talked, wouldn’t you get annoyed? I can’t relate to topics about an active homosexual lifestyle and you know this. I still like you as a person though and would still like to be friends, but we can’t if you insist on saying things that you know are against my faith. We have to respect each other.”

I disagree with the comments about not being friends anymore. Gay people have a very strong desire for acceptance and approval, especially from their close friends and loved ones. His constantly trying to change your mind is his own insecurity about his life choices and his need to be accepted by you. You have a real opportunity here to show him true Christian love and to make it perfectly clear that you still care about him very much, but that you just can’t condone the gay lifestyle. This could forever change how he views Christians. Don’t give him the opportunity to label you as a “hater” or bigot. Do what you can to save the friendship, and if that fails, at least you tried.
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Just say “Look, if you were Jewish, and I wanted to talk about how delicious bacon is every time we talked, wouldn’t you get annoyed? I can’t relate to topics about an active homosexual lifestyle and you know this. I still like you as a person though and would still like to be friends, but we can’t if you insist on saying things that you know are against my faith. We have to respect each other.”

I disagree with the comments about not being friends anymore. Gay people have a very strong desire for acceptance and approval, especially from their close friends and loved ones. His constantly trying to change your mind is his own insecurity about his life choices and his need to be accepted by you. You have a real opportunity here to show him true Christian love and to make it perfectly clear that you still care about him very much, but that you just can’t condone the gay lifestyle. This could forever change how he views Christians. Don’t give him the opportunity to label you as a “hater” or bigot. Do what you can to save the friendship, and if that fails, at least you tried.
This. Really.

I majored in music in college, which meant that a disproportionate number of my male (and, increasingly, female) acquaintances and friends were gay. We disagreed on a lot of things, obviously: theology and morality for starters, but oftentimes politics as well. But we’re all still friends because they’re nice, caring people who often went out of their way to help other people. They know I’m Catholic; they know what I believe about homosexuality because I’m Catholic. That doesn’t mean we can’t be friends. At the same time, we respected each others boundaries: unless they brought it up and seemed genuinely interested in my opinion, we didn’t discuss things like the nature of homosexuality. On occasion, though, we did have a number of very interesting conversations about philosophy, theology, and logic in relation to homosexuality and gay culture at large. I’d like to hope that I planted a few seeds with them, and I know that because I had them as friends and we could have these kind of talks, I had to learn more and more about the Church’s positions, too.
 
This. Really.

I majored in music in college, which meant that a disproportionate number of my male (and, increasingly, female) acquaintances and friends were gay. We disagreed on a lot of things, obviously: theology and morality for starters, but oftentimes politics as well. But we’re all still friends because they’re nice, caring people who often went out of their way to help other people. They know I’m Catholic; they know what I believe about homosexuality because I’m Catholic. That doesn’t mean we can’t be friends. At the same time, we respected each others boundaries: unless they brought it up and seemed genuinely interested in my opinion, we didn’t discuss things like the nature of homosexuality. On occasion, though, we did have a number of very interesting conversations about philosophy, theology, and logic in relation to homosexuality and gay culture at large. I’d like to hope that I planted a few seeds with them, and I know that because I had them as friends and we could have these kind of talks, I had to learn more and more about the Church’s positions, too.
This is entirely sensible.

I just wonder what it is that really lead to the growing rift between the OP and friend. Many of us have had friends or had friends who had friends that simply got to be “too much”. Whatever bandwagon they were on, they simply got too aggressive about it, such that there was no way to enjoy their company if one wasn’t willing to get with their program.

I guess I mean a situation like this. Say that one of us, having been Catholic but not very serious about it, all of a sudden find our spiritual practice in a renaissance. We haven’t changed our minds so much as made our priorities a priority again. OK, so there are two ways this gets in the way of friendships. One is that our basic priorities bother our friends, which wasn’t a problem as long as we didn’t seem to value our values, but does become a problem when we do. We spend too much time at Mass for our previous way of life, or we want to quit doing things that are objectively sinful but also happened to be a major part of our shared social life with our friends. I don’t see how that kind of rift can be helped. If you have friends that are incompatible with living your faith, they’re going to fall away when you are serious about living it. That can’t be helped, and you shouldn’t try.

There is another way, though, that our priorities can get in the way of friendships, even with other Catholics, and that is when we become an obnoxious partisan. We want to talk all the time about all the “spiritual” stuff we’re doing. Instead of witnessing the faith, we proselytize in a way that doesn’t respect the fact that even those we eventually do convert will not be converted in a day, nor is anyone likely to be converted by a Sister Bertha Better-Than-You approach, whether the topic is Christianity, giving up smoking, or Pilates. It isn’t what we think that is off-putting, but what an obnoxious bore we become whenever we talk about it.

If the OPs friend has slipped into the latter category, there is nothing intolerant about saying, “Jack, we disagree on this, we’re going to disagree on this, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a friendly co-existence. Frankly the way you’re going about trying to change my mind is really off-putting. I highly doubt that you’d put up with half that much pressure, coming from me to get you to change your mind. Calm it down, or we need to put some distance between us.”
 
Is it ever nice to shun someone? If you take issue with this man’s behavior, then tell him charitably. If you no longer feel a connection with this person, or find that you are no longer able to be close to him, then end the friendship honestly. If he has been a good friend to you throughout the years, and you are at the point where you feel you must part ways, he deserves to know why. Tell him, in charity, and move on with your life.
 
Is it ever nice to shun someone? If you take issue with this man’s behavior, then tell him charitably. If you no longer feel a connection with this person, or find that you are no longer able to be close to him, then end the friendship honestly. If he has been a good friend to you throughout the years, and you are at the point where you feel you must part ways, he deserves to know why. Tell him, in charity, and move on with your life.
If it isn’t nice to shun someone, then how is it nice to “end a friendship honestly”? That’s shunning to a higher degree, considering that they undoubtedly have other friends in common.

Look at her first post again. She’s not talking about turning her back on him when he enters a room…she still “likes” his posts on Facebook. She has quit initiating contact because when she told him she didn’t like the places he forced their conversations to go, not only did he refuse to respect her request, he implied that she wouldn’t have any friends at all if she didn’t convert to his way of thinking. He has no room to play stupid, as if he needs another conversation to explain why she’s not wild to call him up any more. He knows.

We cannot be close friends with everybody, but it is not necessarily charitable to go around informing everyone why you’re choosing greater contact with other people and less contact with them. He is not in the dark about how he’s been offensive towards her. Why should she call him up, so they can have another argument? 🤷
 
I didn’t get the impression from your post that you shunned him at all. :confused: You don’t wish to discuss the same topics he’s discussing. You apparently liked something else on his page, and his response was to light into you publicly? Am I getting that right? And to tell you you need to call him?

I have a friend from whom I’ve backed away because it had reached a point where I couldn’t so much as comment on the weather without her starting a lecture about her political positions and what everyone knows and how I really ought to know that. I am on very good terms with some people who are gay and very vocal about the gay cause by simply engaging on those things on which we agree. I have another former gay friend who no doubt regards me as a ‘hater’ because we are no longer friends–without realizing it is his manner and behavior which I walked away from.

As others have said, friendship and respect are a two-way street. He can call you as well as waiting for you to call him; and he can respect your beliefs rather than trying to make you talk about these things you don’t wish to talk about.
 
Well, shunning someone because they are gay is wrong. But if you are uncomfortable around that person because of what they say, the way they behave and the way they talk to you, you have a right to distance yourself. I got the impression that is why you are avoiding him, because he is making you uncomfortable, and is saying things that are offensive to you.

Perhaps you could have an honest conversation, explain what you can and cannot support in terms of his SSA and see what happens. Friendship is not a one way street and the future of this friendship depends on how both of you will behave and how respectful you can be of each other.
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