Sign of peace left out

[Padraig1972]

Hi all

I witnessed something at mass this evening. Not that it is a big issue either, but the sign of peace was simply left out of mass today by our chaplain and he just went on with the Agnus Dei prayer instead.

Having that said, todays mass was celebrated in memoriam of King Erik IX Jedvardsson of Sweden that died as a martyr. Could this be the reason? I am just the observant, learning and curious guy.

I also have a question, are there any special times in the weekly mass where Gloria is being used as a prayer too?

 

[Joe_5859]

I believe the exchange of peace is optional, at least for daily Mass.

The Gloria would be used on a weekday if a Solemnity fell on that day (e.g. St. Joseph, Assumption, Immaculate Conception, etc.).

 

[Theophorus]

I believe the exchange of peace is optional, at least for daily Mass.

The Gloria would be used on a weekday if a Solemnity fell on that day (e.g. St. Joseph, Assumption, Immaculate Conception, etc.).

You are quite correct, the sign of peace is optional. It is optional for any Mass, weekday or Sunday.

 

[johnnykins]

The congregational sign is peace is ALWAYS optional.

 

[SpaceGhost]

…if it is optional, I for one hope they loose it altogether. Less cold germs spread that way.

SG

 

[MarkThompson]

You are quite correct, the sign of peace is optional. It is optional for any Mass, weekday or Sunday.

Well, the rubric in the Missal states that it is to be done “pro opportunitate,” not “ad libitum.” It seems to be the fashionable thing now to say that pro opportunitate in this case means it’s totally optional based on whatever the priest’s whim that day is, but in fact the rubric is closer to “as opportune” or “when appropriate.” And this does not really mean that any given priest is entitled to say “Haha, well, to my mind, it’s never appropriate, so there!” After all, as the Congregation for Divine Worship has remarked, “the sign of peace is filled with meaning, graciousness, and Christian inspiration. Any substitution for it must be repudiated” (11 Notitiae 226 (1975)). And if the Church’s view were that the sign of peace were never appropriate, then it would not be in the Missal, so any such opinion on the part of a priest runs contrary to the view of the Church.

Therefore it may make sense to skip the sign of peace in situations like speedy daily Masses, or Masses where the people have spread themselves out in the pews such that they are not within reach of each other, or huge Masses where it would cause an uproar. But I know of no authentic interpretation of the rubric that would support calling the sign of peace truly ad libitum in the sense some propose.

 

[cradlecatholic5]

I hope it doesn’t get “lost”

 

[utah_rose]

…if it is optional, I for one hope they loose it altogether. Less cold germs spread that way.

SG

And in our Parish it’s a big love fest–lots of hugging and going back and forth to people including the priests, altar servers, and Eucharistic Ministers.

Wish the Pope would address the Bishops on this—what is appropriate and what not, but then again maybe some of the Bishops don’t care either.

 

[Godfollower]

And in our Parish it’s a big love fest–lots of hugging and going back and forth to people including the priests, altar servers, and Eucharistic Ministers.

Wish the Pope would address the Bishops on this—what is appropriate and what not, but then again maybe some of the Bishops don’t care either.

It’s already been addressed:

It is appropriate “that each one give the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner”. “The Priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers but always remains within the sanctuary, so as not to disturb the celebration. He does likewise if for a just reason he wishes to extend the sign of peace to some few of the faithful”. “As regards the sign to be exchanged, the manner is to be established by the Conference of Bishops in accordance with the dispositions and customs of the people”, and their acts are subject to the recognitio of the Apostolic See.

[Redemptionis Sacramentum](http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...0423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter III) ¶ 72.

 

[PerfectTiming]

…if it is optional, I for one hope they loose it altogether. Less cold germs spread that way.

SG

It’s my favourite part of mass (except Communion of course)!
In my old parish we bowed instead of shaking hands so no germs spread there.

 

[Love_Divine]

And in our Parish it’s a big love fest–lots of hugging and going back and forth to people including the priests, altar servers, and Eucharistic Ministers.

Wish the Pope would address the Bishops on this—what is appropriate and what not, but then again maybe some of the Bishops don’t care either.

What?? You mean you don’t like it when lovey-dovey couples express PDA during the sign of peace?

When I go to the EF Mass, I looooove that there is no sign of peace. It’s so disruptive, annoying (I have chronic cold hands so people feel the need to “warm them up” by rubbing them between their hands whilst commenting on my hands being freezing."), or just down right inappropriate with PDA. I’ve been tempted to tell some couples to get a room.

 

[Califman831]

Is the loss a product of the “reform of the reform” movement? If it is Than You Jesus

 

[Lormar]

Oooh!! I hope the practice catches on like wildfire.

Coming soon to a parish near you!!! :clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[laszlo]

This is what the Missal says

Then, if appropriate, the deacon, or the Priest, adds:

Let us offer each other the sign of peace.

And all offer one another a sign, in keeping with local customs, that expresses peace, communion, and charity. The Priest gives the sign of peace to a deacon or minister.

In our church (new form) this part is completely omitted

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I believe the exchange of peace is optional, at least for daily Mass.

The Gloria would be used on a weekday if a Solemnity fell on that day (e.g. St. Joseph, Assumption, Immaculate Conception, etc.).

We very rarely have the sign of peace at daily Mass. It is always optional.

 

[Padraig1972]

Well, now i can see why our chaplain did choose to leave it out.

 

[Joe_5859]

Well, the rubric in the Missal states that it is to be done “pro opportunitate,” not “ad libitum.” It seems to be the fashionable thing now to say that pro opportunitate in this case means it’s totally optional based on whatever the priest’s whim that day is, but in fact the rubric is closer to “as opportune” or “when appropriate.” And this does not really mean that any given priest is entitled to say “Haha, well, to my mind, it’s never appropriate, so there!” After all, as the Congregation for Divine Worship has remarked, “the sign of peace is filled with meaning, graciousness, and Christian inspiration. Any substitution for it must be repudiated” (11 Notitiae 226 (1975)). And if the Church’s view were that the sign of peace were never appropriate, then it would not be in the Missal, so any such opinion on the part of a priest runs contrary to the view of the Church.

Therefore it may make sense to skip the sign of peace in situations like speedy daily Masses, or Masses where the people have spread themselves out in the pews such that they are not within reach of each other, or huge Masses where it would cause an uproar. But I know of no authentic interpretation of the rubric that would support calling the sign of peace truly ad libitum in the sense some propose.

Thanks for making that distinction and clairifcation.

 

[Ruth_Catherine]

I have noticed Mass on EWTN, the sign of peace left out. I don’t know if it is all the time or just depending on the priest.

 

[Bbigam]

The Gloria would be used on a weekday if a Solemnity fell on that day (e.g. St. Joseph, Assumption, Immaculate Conception, etc.).

Also for a Feast. Many priests leave it out though, unfortunately.

 

[Joan_M]

Well, the rubric in the Missal states that it is to be done “pro opportunitate,” not “ad libitum.”

Yes, it does - in the Latin. But in the (current) English Missal it says: Then the deacon (of the priest) may add: Nothing about “appropriate” of anything else. It is translated as being optional.