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maryj
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aria13
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I didn’t know that sharing the peace of Christ was soooo controversial! I have heard some “scuttle-but” about moving it to another part of the service, but it would still be part of the service. Many Protestant faiths share Christ’s peace also. In some Lutheran churches that I have attended it has been at the beginning of the service to greet and welcome those that have come to share in God’s love and word. Some share in the same place in the service as Catholics do in Mass. And others have moved it to the end of the service as they are told to go out and share the love of God. Whatever the Catholic Church decides, I hope they keep it. I love it.
Why do some of you want it to go away?? Because it takes too much time?? Since when is there a time schedule for worship? In today’s society we are all in RUSH to do things, including praising God and thanking Him for all we have. Is God in rush to listen to us?
And why not move some during this time? If there is a person sitting alone on the end of the pew are you to ignore him/her because some Bishop or Cardinal sees it not fit to move?! Wouldn’t it be more in Christ’s ways to move and greet them with peace and Christ’s love?
Someone posted that the sign of peace is be done in a solemn way. Does this mean don’t smile? Gravely? Good grief…how welcoming is that? I couldn’t imagine sharing the peace without smiling at the people I’m sharing this blessing with! How many of you know people who’s serious face looks ANGRY?! Wouldn’t you love to receive the peace of Christ from that person. A smile says a lot. The dear little old lady or man behind you may not have been out of their house all week, and yet has come to Mass to be greeted by crabby peace givers.
Oh…and the donut idea. I’ll take the donut and visit in the back, outside or the narthex, but it’s greeting and visiting…not sharing the peace. To do this would make it most convenient for many to avoid it. “can’t greet anyone…this makes me come out of my box. hurry, hurry, hurry…let’s get our necessary worship time done…the game is on…i have a tee time…i’m going shopping.”
The peace of Christ be with you all.
Why do some of you want it to go away?? Because it takes too much time?? Since when is there a time schedule for worship? In today’s society we are all in RUSH to do things, including praising God and thanking Him for all we have. Is God in rush to listen to us?
And why not move some during this time? If there is a person sitting alone on the end of the pew are you to ignore him/her because some Bishop or Cardinal sees it not fit to move?! Wouldn’t it be more in Christ’s ways to move and greet them with peace and Christ’s love?
Someone posted that the sign of peace is be done in a solemn way. Does this mean don’t smile? Gravely? Good grief…how welcoming is that? I couldn’t imagine sharing the peace without smiling at the people I’m sharing this blessing with! How many of you know people who’s serious face looks ANGRY?! Wouldn’t you love to receive the peace of Christ from that person. A smile says a lot. The dear little old lady or man behind you may not have been out of their house all week, and yet has come to Mass to be greeted by crabby peace givers.
Oh…and the donut idea. I’ll take the donut and visit in the back, outside or the narthex, but it’s greeting and visiting…not sharing the peace. To do this would make it most convenient for many to avoid it. “can’t greet anyone…this makes me come out of my box. hurry, hurry, hurry…let’s get our necessary worship time done…the game is on…i have a tee time…i’m going shopping.”
The peace of Christ be with you all.
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paramedicgirl
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Your church appears to be the exception. I have yet to see a church where the sign of peace is offered reverently and solemnly, to just the neighbours on your right and left. Even our priest leaves the sanctuary and walks through the church to offer people the sign of peace.
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thistle
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I repeat that the GIRM does not say what is allowed or not so with regard to the sign of peace how do you know a) what is reverent and solemn and b) where does it say left and right neighbours. It doesn’t!!
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netmilsmom
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Have you looked at GIRM 82?
The faithful offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and do so in a sober manner ( GIRM 82).
You’re not in America so maybe the rules are different for you.
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thistle
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
I hadn’t thought of that. I’m British but I live in the Philippines. Plenty of hand shaking here, turning around and movement between seats as children come to kiss their parents. Everybody loves it and nobody complains or thinks it is irreverent.
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paramedicgirl
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Catholics do not have a service, as Protestants call it; we gather for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It is the soul and heart and liturgy of the Church, and has a magnetic power of attraction for Catholics worldwide.
The sign of peace has nothing to do with time. The aversion so many have towards it has everything to do with the irreverence of the people. The Mass is not a party or a social gathering. Jesus is physically present on the altar, and if we could actually see Him there, we would all be on our faces on the floor. We certainly wouldn’t be running around the church greeting each other, ignoring Jesus who just became physically present among us.
If we could truly see this most amazing miracle of the Sacrifice, we would be in awe, as the Liturgy of St. James states: Let all mortal flesh be silent, standing there in fear and trembling; for the King of kings, the Lord of lords, Christ our God is about to be sacrificed and given as food to the faithful.
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maryj
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Peace to you also…don’t let them pick your words apart and discourage you from posting. We all know it is Mass, nitpicking is not very nice!!! I am also fairly certain Christ would be happy, overjoyed that I was extending my hand to someone and asking forgiveness, that doesn’t mean at all that we are turning our backs to him, indeed we are doing what he has asked us to do, Love one another as I have loved you. oh so many different opinions…I didn’t know that sharing the peace of Christ was soooo controversial! I have heard some “scuttle-but” about moving it to another part of the service, but it would still be part of the service. Many Protestant faiths share Christ’s peace also. In some Lutheran churches that I have attended it has been at the beginning of the service to greet and welcome those that have come to share in God’s love and word. Some share in the same place in the service as Catholics do in Mass. And others have moved it to the end of the service as they are told to go out and share the love of God. Whatever the Catholic Church decides, I hope they keep it. I love it.
Why do some of you want it to go away?? Because it takes too much time?? Since when is there a time schedule for worship? In today’s society we are all in RUSH to do things, including praising God and thanking Him for all we have. Is God in rush to listen to us?
And why not move some during this time? If there is a person sitting alone on the end of the pew are you to ignore him/her because some Bishop or Cardinal sees it not fit to move?! Wouldn’t it be more in Christ’s ways to move and greet them with peace and Christ’s love?
Someone posted that the sign of peace is be done in a solemn way. Does this mean don’t smile? Gravely? Good grief…how welcoming is that? I couldn’t imagine sharing the peace without smiling at the people I’m sharing this blessing with! How many of you know people who’s serious face looks ANGRY?! Wouldn’t you love to receive the peace of Christ from that person. A smile says a lot. The dear little old lady or man behind you may not have been out of their house all week, and yet has come to Mass to be greeted by crabby peace givers.
Oh…and the donut idea. I’ll take the donut and visit in the back, outside or the narthex, but it’s greeting and visiting…not sharing the peace. To do this would make it most convenient for many to avoid it. “can’t greet anyone…this makes me come out of my box. hurry, hurry, hurry…let’s get our necessary worship time done…the game is on…i have a tee time…i’m going shopping.”
The peace of Christ be with you all.
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aria13
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Paramedicgirl: A thousand pardons, I “mis-spoke” about Mass. Yes, the Protestant church does call it a “service” for which I should apologize also. It’s correct term is Worship Service…as in worshiping in service to Christ. Over the years, we have shortened it to service, probably just for convenience sake. Don’t take it so literally, it’s what I’m used to as a Lutheran. OK? forgiven?
And I was also just asking about time, because if you read some of the posts, many people are complaining about the time it takes to share the peace. It was more of question to those people to reflect on what they were saying. And are you sure there wouldn’t be running around if Jesus were actually there. I’d want to run and get more people to see Him in all of His Glory! Share the miracle with all believers…wouldn’t it be incredible???
And I was also just asking about time, because if you read some of the posts, many people are complaining about the time it takes to share the peace. It was more of question to those people to reflect on what they were saying. And are you sure there wouldn’t be running around if Jesus were actually there. I’d want to run and get more people to see Him in all of His Glory! Share the miracle with all believers…wouldn’t it be incredible???
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CantorRick
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Yah! It’s always a question of time, isn’t it? Too bad we don’t stop and consider that every moment of every day we are to carrry Jesus in our hearts and share His love with others, yup, even that stranger standing next to us at Mass. Left, right, in front of, behind us or, in extraordinary circumstances, say a nuptial or funeral Mass, even circulating, to share God’s peace is our command.
It’s not a matter of time, it’s not a matter of distraction from Jesus (we are sharing Jesus in the Feast!), it seems to be a matter of inconvenience. My advice is, enjoy the moment and move on to the Feast of the Eucharest.
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netmilsmom
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My Goodness! If you really think that she has no clue or has not been taught how to behave at Mass, the kindest thing that you could do for her is to be VERY sweet and help her out.
Your mother may have been correct but you also have to consider that sometimes it is not what is said, but the way it is said. If you as a considerate person, kindly tell her that it is not appropriate to talk during the concecration, it will surely save her from a rude person snapping at her eventually.
That would surely drive her away.
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netmilsmom
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We are to carry Jesus in our hearts. I carry my husband in my heart as well. When he is not around, he doesn’t mind at all if I fellowship with others. In fact he encourages it.
When he is there physically, he would be offended if my fellowship got in the way of my attention to him.
Our Lord is there physically on the Altar. Would it be so hard to not pay attention to your fellow man for the sake of Our Lord? There is a time and place for everything. Maybe 15 minutes for Our Lord out of your entire week.
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MrS
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
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how many won’t spend 15 minutes actually dressing nicer for the Lord instead of wearing cutoffs, beach clothes, casual wear etc.
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how many will spend 15 minutes posting their support for abuses to the liturgy because, after all, it is about THEM
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how many spend 15 times a reasonable time for a Sign of Peace by traveling the Church to shake hands (and then continue to shake hands with friends as they return from communion to stand and sing) grrrrrrrr
It is ALL ABOUT HIM !
Have you ever noticed how many complain if the Mass goes 15 minutes longer than they think it should
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how many won’t spend 15 minutes actually dressing nicer for the Lord instead of wearing cutoffs, beach clothes, casual wear etc.
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how many will spend 15 minutes posting their support for abuses to the liturgy because, after all, it is about THEM
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how many spend 15 times a reasonable time for a Sign of Peace by traveling the Church to shake hands (and then continue to shake hands with friends as they return from communion to stand and sing) grrrrrrrr
It is ALL ABOUT HIM !
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netmilsmom
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All the while stating that communion will take too long without the herd of EMCHs or if we receive by intinction.
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Andreas_Hofer
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My personal experience with the sign of peace at the University of Notre Dame (where, at Zahm Hall, every pew clears out into the aisles for 5-10 minutes for the sign of peace - disclaimer, this is an extreme, exceptional case, luckily, I lived in somewhat more obedient Dillon Hall) led me to formulate this comparison.
During the Mass, Christ becomes present to us in a unique way after the consecration, much like when He appeared to the 10 apostles after His resurrection. Those who misuse the sign of peace act similarly to if the apostles, standing face to face with the Risen Lord, heard a door creak and all flocked to the other side of the room shouting, “Thomas, how’ve you been, buddy?”
I don’t follow the horizontal to vertical flow proposed by Orion because this flow is broken by the sign of peace. Having reached the pinnacle of vertical in adoring Christ truly Present on the altar, we are then asked to direct our attention horizontally to our neighbors. This disrupts the vertical alignment focused on Christ. A good flow would thus move the sign of peace to a point before the consecration, as the Eastern liturgies have retained. If we keep it where it is, I would rather it become more ritualized an exchange because I would personally find this less distracting.
During the Mass, Christ becomes present to us in a unique way after the consecration, much like when He appeared to the 10 apostles after His resurrection. Those who misuse the sign of peace act similarly to if the apostles, standing face to face with the Risen Lord, heard a door creak and all flocked to the other side of the room shouting, “Thomas, how’ve you been, buddy?”
I don’t follow the horizontal to vertical flow proposed by Orion because this flow is broken by the sign of peace. Having reached the pinnacle of vertical in adoring Christ truly Present on the altar, we are then asked to direct our attention horizontally to our neighbors. This disrupts the vertical alignment focused on Christ. A good flow would thus move the sign of peace to a point before the consecration, as the Eastern liturgies have retained. If we keep it where it is, I would rather it become more ritualized an exchange because I would personally find this less distracting.
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MrS
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Andreas Hofer:
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thistle
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I and others have been quoting extracts from the GIRM that differ. As I am newer than most to this and may be looking at the wrong document could soemone look at the website where I read the GIRM and tell me if that it the correct one or not. In case it makes a difference I am not American nor do I live in America if there is a specific GIRM for various countries.
I don’t want to quote from the GIRM if I am not using the right one.
www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=337
The GIRM shown there was issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship on March 27, 1975
I don’t want to quote from the GIRM if I am not using the right one.
www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=337
The GIRM shown there was issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship on March 27, 1975
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Dr.Bombay
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If you see me sitting alone at the end of the pew, please leave me alone. The last thing I want is to be approached by some glad-handing smiley face interrupting me communing with my God.
Having said that, I will never and have never refused someone’s hand. I’d just really prefer to be left alone. Forced collegiality does nothing to change someone’s heart.
And I’m not in favor of moving the Sign of Peace. It should be left right where it is. I’d just wish it would go back to being a symbolic gesture like it was in the old Mass.
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Joysong
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Hi Thistle,
Happy to oblige. Yes, you were viewing an older version of GIRM. This one will help you.
usccb.org/liturgy/current/revmissalisromanien.shtml
Carole
Happy to oblige. Yes, you were viewing an older version of GIRM. This one will help you.
usccb.org/liturgy/current/revmissalisromanien.shtml
Carole
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Joysong
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