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White_Peony
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I read somewhere that during transubstantiation you are supposed to make the sign of the cross. How true is this?
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ChristisRisen32
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What do you mean? During the consecration(when the bread and wine turn into the Boyd and Blood) or when you receive the Eucharist?
Pax Christi,
Tony
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benedictgal
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Transubstantiation occurs at the moment of the Consecration. The only one who makes the sign of the cross during the Eucharistic Prayer is the celebrant.
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ChristisRisen32
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I’m aware of when it occurs. Also, my mom and I always made the Sign of the Cross whenever the consecration happened and the bells rang.
Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary,
Tony
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Lapey
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Only in the first Eucharistic prayer, and it occures after the concecration, towards the end of the EP.
No one should make the sign of the cross any time during mass, except at the opening and closing prayer and blessing. In the EF there would be many more crosses signed.
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GloriousOrder
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I always found that bowing my head during the Words of Institution was most appropriate. Isn’t it true that the only time laity are required to make the Sign is at the beginning and the final blessing? There seems no reason to go crazy on Crosses… 
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ConstantineTG
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Wait, where does it say that no one should make a sign of the cross at Mass aside from the beginning and ending? For the laity of course.
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Little_One0307
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What about people who make the sign of the cross after receiving Eucharist? Is this wrong? I realize you are Eastern, not sure if it is okay for the Roman Rite to do.
God bless.
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WetCatechumen
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I make the Sign of the Cross in the Byzantine fashion at the mention of the name of the Theotokos at the mention of her name in the Canon and in the Confiteor.
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ConstantineTG
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I’ve done it all the time I was Roman Catholic and no one has told me otherwise. I don’t know why it would be wrong to do so.
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centurionguard
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Totally Agree. It is a further personal act of Faith. I don’t see any harm.
I seen many Catholics make the sign of the Cross after receiving Holy Communion.
If I bring Holy Communion to the sick using the Pyx I usually kiss the Pyx before placing it in my pocket.
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ConstantineTG
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Yes, I mean there are definitely inappropriate times to make a sign of the cross. But to claim that you cannot absolutely do it at anytime in the Mass other than the beginning and end is just head scratching, to say the least.
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jwinch2
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I would really love to see a source for this. There is a massive difference between documents which state that there are certain times that the Laity are supposed to make the sign of the cross and stating that they are never to do so outside of those times. I have a very difficult time believing your statements to be accurate. However, I am open to correction should you be able to provide an authoritative source.
I cannot for the life of me, see why the Church would want to limit the Faithful from crossing themselves as long as it does not become a distraction during Mass. I cross myself in a silent prayer that I say prior to going up for holy Communion, after I receive, and again following my post-communion prayers in silence which I say while the remainder of the Faithful are receiving and while the priests and deacons perform their post communion duties. I also sometimes bow my head and cross myself during the recession as the crucifix passes by. If the Church actually states not to do this in an official capacity, I will certainly stop. However, I am having a very difficult time seeing why that would be the case and will certainly require authoritative sources.
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Little_One0307
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I know I have done it. Do you know why we do it? Where it orginated? I guess the longer I am in my Faith, I am interested in where things came from.
God bless.
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Little_One0307
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How many crosses are called for in the TM? Thanks.
God bless.
God bless.
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MissRose73
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I have no issues if anyone in the congregation signs themselves during that time. I do so, and no priest has approached me after to say me or others are not allowed to do so.
Many cross themselves after receiving Communion. I even see that on the EWTN Daily Masses that are televised.
Many cross themselves after receiving Communion. I even see that on the EWTN Daily Masses that are televised.
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ConstantineTG
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Frankly I’ve done a lot of things because I personally figured out it would be better to do it that way. A lot of thinking and soul searching. Even when I started genuflecting before receiving, I did it even though no one told me so. That was way, way before I even joined CAF. Perhaps CAF didn’t even exist back then. I just though its not right to receive and just go. The time I am making the sign of the cross is the short moment I would appreciate just what happened.
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PJM
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While this is a GREAT practice it is not mandated.
We receive the Risen Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the REAL CRUCIFIED Christ. Making the sihn of the cross done with thought and meaning reaffirms this Sacrifice. I do it while saying: Thank you Jesus; Thank you Jesus; Thank you Jesus; THANK YOU JESUS.
God Bless,
Pat
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Lapey
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Sorry folks, I’ve been out of touch for a few days and I will be in retreat starting tonight through Sunday.
I just wanted to clarify what I said. The rubrics in the Sacramentary only call for the sign of the cross at the beginning and end of mass. The only other times when the rubrics call for it is in the first Eucharistic prayer and when the deacon receives the blessing by the celebrant before proclaiming the Gospel. There are other appropriate times, for example, when a Bishop blesses the congregation with the book of the gospels after the deacon proclaims the word.
I didn’t have the time when I posted this statement to put it in context, so I should not have posted. This issue is like many other “things” added to the mass. There are personal devotions added to the mass by priests and deacons, which tend to catch on with the people and that is what I was referring to. One example is making the sign of the cross before and after a homily, I know we’ve all seen this done by priests and deacons.
On the other hand, making the sign of the cross after receiving communion may not be required, but it pretty much is the norm, and still being taught in CCD classes.
My point of view for my comment was that of a deacon and the training we were given on the Sacred Liturgy. There was a very large push on us to “do the red and say the black” and the comment I responded to was stating that the celebrant makes the sign of the cross after the words of consecration, and in the post Vat II mass this is not required. So if it is done, it would be a personal devotion of that priest.
Anyway, I hope my statement is better expressed in this post. I didn’t mean to stir up the emotions here, sorry.
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jwinch2
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Thanks for coming back to clear that up. I appreciate you taking the time!
Best regards,
Jason
Best regards,
Jason
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