Sign of the Cross

[cajunhillbilly]

Being an Anglican I cross myself regularly when praying. My Baptist friends look at me strangely but I ignore them. LOL. I loved Scott Hahn’s book and agree aith about 90% of what he said.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Being an Anglican I cross myself regularly when praying. My Baptist friends look at me strangely but I ignore them. LOL. I loved Scott Hahn’s book and agree aith about 90% of what he said.

Me too. I’ve read 3 of Hahn’s books.

Peace,
Anna

 

[JustaServant]

Some years back I was involved, at length with an online gentleman who asserted that the sign of the Cross was the mark of the beast. I eviscerated him, as one would expect. One of my finest hours.

GKC

You eviscerated him???
That musta hurt!

Anyway, hard core fundamentalists believe Catholics crossing themselves are giving the ‘sign of Tamuz’, who I think was the husband of Semeramis…
I don’t remember, I threw away the ‘Two Babylons’ many years ago.

 

[cajunhillbilly]

I read that book and it made no sense to me. Of course I was a student of church history and knew the real facts.

 

[Anna_Scott]

You eviscerated him???
That musta hurt!

Anyway, hard core fundamentalists believe Catholics crossing themselves are giving the ‘sign of Tamuz’, who I think was the husband of Semeramis…
I don’t remember, I threw away the ‘Two Babylons’ many years ago.

I read that book and it made no sense to me. Of course I was a student of church history and knew the real facts.

I haven’t read Two Babylons. I’m guessing it is an anti-Catholic book. So, no desire to read it.

Christ accomplished our salvation on the cross. I can’t imagine equating the Sign of the Cross with the “sign of Tamuz.”

I don’t think anyone against the sign has posted on this thread. I would really like to hear from those who are against it—what are their reasons?

Peace,
Anna

 

[A_G]

Some protestants make the sign of the cross, but this is not common. I think it’s pretty rare actually.

Eastern Catholics, like Orthodox Christians, make the sign of the cross using 3 fingers and they do it “right to left.” :byzsoc:

Roman Catholics make the sign of the cross with the open right hand and they do it “left to right.”

 

[GKC]

I haven’t read Two Babylons. I’m guessing it is an anti-Catholic book. So, no desire to read it.

Christ accomplished our salvation on the cross. I can’t imagine equating the Sign of the Cross with the “sign of Tamuz.”

I don’t think anyone against the sign has posted on this thread. I would really like to hear from those who are against it—what are their reasons?

Peace,
Anna

Yes. Anti-Catholic.

Also, barking mad/crazy as a loon.

GKC

 

[GKC]

You eviscerated him???
That musta hurt!

Anyway, hard core fundamentalists believe Catholics crossing themselves are giving the ‘sign of Tamuz’, who I think was the husband of Semeramis…
I don’t remember, I threw away the ‘Two Babylons’ many years ago.

No, I enjoyed it.

GKC

 

[bogeydogg]

Some protestants make the sign of the cross, but this is not common. I think it’s pretty rare actually.

Eastern Catholics, like Orthodox Christians, make the sign of the cross using 3 fingers and they do it “right to left.” :byzsoc:

Roman Catholics make the sign of the cross with the open right hand and they do it “left to right.”

Actually I know of no protestant denominations that make the sign of the cross, unless you count the Anglican Church. However since most pf the mainline protestant denoms are Reformed in their thinking and the Lutheran Church is not I think it falls outside of the category of “protestant”. If you don’t believe me jump onto some Reformed chat boards and see how the Lutherans are treated.

God Bless

 

[JustaServant]

Yes. Anti-Catholic.

Also, barking mad/crazy as a loon.

GKC

I imagine if the author were alive today he would be in a padded cell…on second thought they might give him his own show on the “History” cable channel.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Some protestants make the sign of the cross, but this is not common. I think it’s pretty rare actually.

Eastern Catholics, like Orthodox Christians, make the sign of the cross using 3 fingers and they do it “right to left.” :byzsoc:

Roman Catholics make the sign of the cross with the open right hand and they do it “left to right.”

There are many South American Catholics and Mexican Roman Catholics who do the three finger position during the sign of the Cross. I think the ancient Latin Church visited here left them this tradition?

That’s cool; the right to left or left to right is done during the holy spirit profession reminds me of Jesus teaching;

John 3:8 The wind* blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I wonder if American westerners driving on the right side of the road and Europeans driving on the left side of the road has anything to do with the signing of the cross? Naah!

“In Hoc Signo Vinces” = in this sign you shall conquer.

Just for information;

INRI was placed on the cross by Pontius Pilate to translate = Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews

Some crucifixes have IHS = Jesus Savior of man

 

[Kristin234]

You eviscerated him???
That musta hurt!

Anyway, hard core fundamentalists believe Catholics crossing themselves are giving the ‘sign of Tamuz’, who I think was the husband of Semeramis…
I don’t remember, I threw away the ‘Two Babylons’ many years ago.

There are multiple people at my church (and no they are not ex-Catholics) that cross themselves usually after a prayer or a song. My pastor has actually brought it up and said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I’m assuming that those that are against it just don’t want to have anything to do with Catholics since it is very common among Catholics.

 

[JustaServant]

There are multiple people at my church (and no they are not ex-Catholics) that cross themselves usually after a prayer or a song. My pastor has actually brought it up and said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I’m assuming that those that are against it just don’t want to have anything to do with Catholics since it is very common among Catholics.

Non-Sacramental churches (or maybe anti-sacramental) are the ones who take issue with it. Anything that smells of Catholic sends them into a tailspin.

 

[A_G]

There are many South American Catholics and Mexican Roman Catholics who do the three finger position during the sign of the Cross. I think the ancient Latin Church visited here left them this tradition?

That’s cool; the right to left or left to right is done during the holy spirit profession reminds me of Jesus teaching;

John 3:8 The wind* blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I wonder if American westerners driving on the right side of the road and Europeans driving on the left side of the road has anything to do with the signing of the cross? Naah!

“In Hoc Signo Vinces” = in this sign you shall conquer.

Just for information;

INRI was placed on the cross by Pontius Pilate to translate = Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews

Some crucifixes have IHS = Jesus Savior of man

I doubt it had anything to do with some driving on the right side and others on the left side of the road

But yes, there are “westerners” that do the 3 fingers instead of the open hand version…just look at the Scots in the movie “Braveheart” for example…and it continues today also… but it is more common for eastern rites to do the three fingers…

thanks for the explanation of the “INRI”

 

[CopticChristian]

Some protestants make the sign of the cross, but this is not common. I think it’s pretty rare actually.

Eastern Catholics, like Orthodox Christians, make the sign of the cross using 3 fingers and they do it “right to left.” :byzsoc:

Roman Catholics make the sign of the cross with the open right hand and they do it “left to right.”

Visit a Byzantine Church and observe and participate and count how many times you sign yourself…

 

[Tenofovir]

There are many South American Catholics and Mexican Roman Catholics who do the three finger position during the sign of the Cross. I think the ancient Latin Church visited here left them this tradition?

That’s cool; the right to left or left to right is done during the holy spirit profession reminds me of Jesus teaching;

John 3:8 The wind* blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I wonder if American westerners driving on the right side of the road and Europeans driving on the left side of the road has anything to do with the signing of the cross? Naah!

“In Hoc Signo Vinces” = in this sign you shall conquer.

Just for information;

INRI was placed on the cross by Pontius Pilate to translate = Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews

Some crucifixes have IHS = Jesus Savior of man

Continental Europe drives on the Right.

Orthodox use the Right to Left gesture while we use the opposite in making the sign of the Cross, i.e. Left to Right. In Slavic languages the (Russian/Serb) Orthodox Church is referred to as “Right Famous” Church reflecting the order of the sign of the Cross.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Continental Europe drives on the Right.

Orthodox use the Right to Left gesture while we use the opposite in making the sign of the Cross, i.e. Left to Right. In Slavic languages the (Russian/Serb) Orthodox Church is referred to as “Right Famous” Church reflecting the order of the sign of the Cross.

So when the angels from heaven see our sign of the Cross upon our foreheads from our baptism, they see us Roman Catholics possessing the “Right Famous” from eternity. when we are signing ourselves in their presence and find the Orthodox doing the opposite, losing their “Right Famous” being viewed from eternity.

Rev.7;2 Then I saw another angel come up from the East,* holding the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who were given power to damage the land and the sea, 3“Do not damage the land or the sea or the trees until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God… 9 After this I had a vision of a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches* in their hands.

 

[hn160]

It is common in my Lutheran church to make the sign of the cross at the beginning of the Divine Service, in Absolution, after receiving Holy Communion, and at the end of the Service. Some make it during the Creed. My wife and I make it when we pray or say grace at meals.

 

[Anthony_V]

So when the angels from heaven see our sign of the Cross upon our foreheads from our baptism, they see us Roman Catholics possessing the “Right Famous” from eternity. when we are signing ourselves in their presence and find the Orthodox doing the opposite, losing their “Right Famous” being viewed from eternity.

Rev.7;2 Then I saw another angel come up from the East,* holding the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who were given power to damage the land and the sea, 3“Do not damage the land or the sea or the trees until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God… 9 After this I had a vision of a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches* in their hands.

It’s a good thing Peter didn’t settle down in Australia.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

It’s a good thing Peter didn’t settle down in Australia.

Well Peter’s cross well represents those from down under when Peter was crucified upside down.