Silencing of Traditional Bishops by Pope Francis

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I missed the part where I said this. Don’t get it twisted. It has been part of human nature and throughout church history where various groups have had their own ideas on what is right and what direction the Church should take and there are disagreements about this within the barque of Peter. That said I stand by my belief that the Catholics that care about fidelity to the deposit of faith are treated with suspicion or flat out ignored when they raise concerns, yet the hetordox and those that water things down get treated with kid gloves or are even favored and promoted.
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Just to clarify: my quibble is with the use of the word “factions” to describe what in the most charitable situation could still exist as different expressions of the whole of the Deposit of Faith. It doesn’t help to describe anyone who wants something which is (or ought to be) permissible as a “faction.” No, it is OK for a relative minority to ask for accommodation. There does not need to be one “majority” way of doing things, with everyone else dismissed as “factions.” A minority who only wants something permissible and realistically possible aren’t guilty of splitting off into a “faction,” and they should not be treated that way.

I would say, rather, that you take issue when the many legitimate expressions of the faith are not treated equally, but some are given preference without anything to give their position any particular merit except perhaps popularity. No, that is not just, it is not in the best interest of the Church as a whole, it does not lead to saving or perfecting more souls, and there is nothing wrong in your objections to it. Just because it is happening to those who share your point of view doesn’t mean it isn’t objectionable in a non-partisan sense.
 
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“I love that these clergymen are disciplined so quickly and directly, but perverted ones and those who covered them up aren’t. No, they are allowed to destroy and abuse.”

Well said!
 
Thank you for clarifying. If there is a better word or expression than “faction” and you find the word problematic, then by all means I am open to correction on that.
 
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Vatican I Session 4 Chapter 3

#9 So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema.
 
JM3 said:
#9 So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema.
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Context. This is NOT saying a pope can and should do whatever he wants. It is saying that the Pope is the is the governer of the Church. Vatican 1 documents also must be read in the light of when it was written. It was in response to those who discounted the pope. It does not mean the Pope can tear the Church apart just because he feels like it that day.
 
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The Pope’s judge is God, not us. Pray for him, rather than criticize him.
 
JM3 said:
The Pope’s judge is God, not us. Pray for him, rather than criticize him
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God is the judge of us all. Yes, we should pray for him, however he is not perfect and can mismanage the Church, in which case pointing this out is needed.
 
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What would be the purpose of ‘pointing it out’ but to cause tension and scandal?
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To let others know about potential problems and to let Church leaders know that we need reform. Think of the current sex abuse scandal. Do you think the Bishops hushing it up helped anything? It made it worse.
 
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here is the letter from the head of the CDF, Cardinal Ladaria, on August 1, 2018 explaining the revision:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c..._20180801_lettera-vescovi-penadimorte_en.html

and here is an article by Jimmy Akin:


As Cardinal Ladaria explains in his letter, Pope Francis approved the new revision that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) proposed, but he did not issue it in a document of his own. This is significant for two reasons…
 
Regarding the Italian article on McCarrick that you cited: did the Jesuit ever get an answer as to who knew what? This is not the silencing of a particular theological bent of bishops, but only those that are trying to clean house and point fingers to call out those responsable.
 
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