Silly, meaningless, inaccurate, overused, dumbed-down, erroneous, or self-contradictory buzzwords and phrases

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Ridgerunner said:
Your three year old is the most eloquent one of all. His/her terminology works for me! Please ask him/her if I can use it too.
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Far as I know, he hasn’t licensed the term, so you are free to use it, of course. I think for adults, it may be modified to read, “Going downstairs for coffee.” 😃
 
Miserissima said:
Round as in the building or round as in the wafer? 😉

Just checking.
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Oh, I’m sorry I meant the wafer. Although it could mean the building as well. Since( and this is no opinion about it) some of our churches are built in the round.
 
Miserissima said:
Claire, thnak you for bringing this up. **I want to repeat that this not a pro or con of girls in the sanctuary on the altar, either. **But I have been dying to put this somewhere that has to do with terminology.

And of this sounds more like a rant, PLEASE forgive me. My point is underlined at the end. once again, it is NOT about having young lady “Altar Servers.”

My school was literally attached to my church, and only the boys could go for weekly Altarby practice. When I went back to Mass a number of years ago, I saw the younger female students from the lower grades all dolled up in these monastic costumes. (I have to admit I was a just a teeny jealous to have missed that reform BUT that’s another topic, hah).

All of the altar servers came in wearing albs that had pointed hoods that went down to their cinctures. No kidding. Rope cinctures.

Anyway, after Mass I asked one of the young gentleman and ladies, “Why do you wear that, uh…”

“Alb?” one young lady replied. "Because the was Christs’ apostles wore when they served Him, too. "

Oh. My bad. You poorly catechised child.

First off, Christ’s aspostles didn’t dress like medieval monks, okay? This isn’t a renaissance faire. You’re only missing the lace-up sandals to complete the look. Stop calling it an alb and call it a costume.

(Putting an alb on child makes me think of the little youngsters turned into the monasteries to be educated or to become, well, monks.)

Desert Fathers wore albs, maybe. I don’t know, I wasn’t there. And if you’re going to go that far to dress up ALL of the altar servers, bring back the cotta and surplice!

Okay, I’m done. I hope this fit in well with this thread. If not, I’ll ask a mod to remove it.
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The alb is the garment of the baptized, what’s wrong with the altar servers wearing them? As for the cincture, the GIRM says that anyone who wears an alb should wear the cincture unless the alb is designed to be worn without one – the altar servers’ albs aren’t designed to be worn without.
 
Less polemics and more lousy words and phrases!

Let’s see:

“polemics” 😃

“your walk with Jesus”

“shock doctrine”
 
ElizabethPH said:
It was just plain Catechism when I was growing up. Or was that something else??🤷
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Yes, that WAS different. I went to CCD and Catholic schools between 1971 and 1982. There was no mention of catechism. I do remember the cookie can and some creepy cartoon movies of a character named “Cree.” (who was he?) Oh, yeah, Godspell too.

That explains my drift away from the church into the protestant world. :rolleyes:
 
Phemie said:
The alb is the garment of the baptized, what’s wrong with the altar servers wearing them?.
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What’s wrong is the context. The girls weren’t being baptized – they were serving in a role that traditionally leads to the priesthood.

Altar “servers” who wear albs are doing so not because they are baptized (in which case the entire congregation should also wear albs), but because priests wear albs while saying Mass. The notion of girls serving as altar boys is yet another misleading and harmful message for the minds of innocent little girls since they can never become priests but they just might end up as bitter religious sisters.
 
puzzleannie said:
I think this is a generational or regional thing, in fact CCD is kid of new-fangled to those of us who still call it “catechism class”.
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I believe you are right about this. I’m a product of the 1980s and 1990s. My contemporaries and I in school were aware of “CCD”, but that was something only for Catholic children who attended public school. Most of them only stayed in it until they made confirmation. They didn’t call it CCD for us (those in Catholic school), but they also didn’t call it catechism class. It was “Religion Class” usually first period of the day in grade school.

For us, as kids, CCD had a negative connotation. It meant that those kids were usually undisciplined, potty mouths and apparently not really learning anything- due to the fact that every week when we’d come in the morning, our desks would have some sort of message on them or notes with dirty words.
The 2nd and 3rd graders in my grade school were a bit more innocent than usual - which was kind of refreshing when you think about it.
 
graceandglory said:
Yes, that WAS different. I went to CCD and Catholic schools between 1971 and 1982. There was no mention of catechism. I do remember the cookie can and some creepy cartoon movies of a character named “Cree.” (who was he?) Oh, yeah, Godspell too.

That explains my drift away from the church into the protestant world. :rolleyes:
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I can understand that. My husband attended CCD in gradeschool. He said it was so dumbed down and basically taught secular humanism rather than anything “Catholic”. He remembers one class where the teacher showed a group of pictures and asked, “Which person is the good person?” She didn’t even bring up anything that correlated to the Bible or to the teachings of the Church. He said if it wasn’t for him attending a private Catholic prep high school and being introduced to one of his spiritual mentors, who is currently becoming a priest, he’d probably be pretty lukewarm about his faith now.
 
Sarabande said:
I believe you are right about this. I’m a product of the 1980s and 1990s. My contemporaries and I in school were aware of “CCD”, but that was something only for Catholic children who attended public school. Most of them only stayed in it until they made confirmation. They didn’t call it CCD for us (those in Catholic school), but they also didn’t call it catechism class. It was “Religion Class” usually first period of the day in grade school.

For us, as kids, CCD had a negative connotation. It meant that those kids were usually undisciplined, potty mouths and apparently not really learning anything- due to the fact that every week when we’d come in the morning, our desks would have some sort of message on them or notes with dirty words.
The 2nd and 3rd graders in my grade school were a bit more innocent than usual - which was kind of refreshing when you think about it.
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Ha! We thought the same thing!
We’d come in and there would be stuff everywhere! The response was “CCD was last night…”
 
The “Office of Justice and Peace”. :rolleyes:

“Lay Ecclesiastical Minister”

“Pastoral Associate”

The “Magisterium of the People”

“Legitimate dissent”

“Supremacy of conscience”
 
ac_claire said:
This is beside the point, but I’ve noticed you can usually tell whether one is a convert (“Lord’s Prayer”) or a cradle Catholic (“Our Father”) by what they call this prayer. Doesn’t mean anything, I just think it’s funny how reliable it is among the Catholics I know. 🙂
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I agree. It is an interesting point that you brought up. I never thought about it, but you are right. Converts that I meet do tend to refer to it as the “Lord’s Prayer”. I always grew up calling it the “Our Father” and sometimes have used it and heard it as the “Pater Noster” as I got older. I don’t think any less or more of people who use any one of those terms. In fact, those I know who usually just use “Pater Noster” aren’t doing it to show off, it’s more about their own connection with their spirituality. Certain terms (whether in Latin or English or any other language) can sometimes have a special spiritual or emotional connection when they use them. I cannot judge and assume that any one of those people are trying to prove something to me or anyone else.

Or, like me, saying or writing “Sanctus” is just faster and easier to say (for me at least) than having to write out “Holy, Holy”. 😛
 
Lepanto said:
What’s wrong is the context. The girls weren’t being baptized – they were serving in a role that traditionally leads to the priesthood.

Altar “servers” who wear albs are doing so not because they are baptized (in which case the entire congregation should also wear albs), but because priests wear albs while saying Mass. The notion of girls serving as altar boys is yet another misleading and harmful message for the minds of innocent little girls since they can never become priests but they just might end up as bitter religious sisters.
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Oh, for Pete’s sake! I don’t know of any girl who has been an altar server who ever thought she could one day be a priest. As for the alb, the GIRM says this:
  1. In the dioceses of the United States of America, acolytes, altar servers, lectors, and other lay ministers may wear the alb or other suitable vesture or other appropriate and dignified clothing.
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In Canada, where we still use the 1975 GIRM,
  1. The vestment common to ministers of every rank is the alb, tied at the waist with a cincture, unless it is made to fit without a cincture.
  2. Ministers below the order of deacon may wear the alb or other vestment that is lawfully approved in each region.
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rpp said:
The “Office of Justice and Peace”. :rolleyes: Could be a legitimate office that a bishop institutes to address current needs. Face it: Even if it makes your internal “liberal meter” go nuts, Jesus was a man who had a lot to say on justice and peace.

“Lay Ecclesiastical Minister” You mean Lay ECCLESIAL minister - this is the term officially given by the USCCB to lay people who receive training and work to assist a pastor in his mission in a parish.

“Pastoral Associate” The “non-official” title substituted for the above,

The “Magisterium of the People” Never heard this one used; obviously not legitimate.

“Legitimate dissent” This is what it is; obviously some can dissent on anything they want and they will read it as legitimate even if it is not.

“Supremacy of conscience”
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Obviously not in line with Church teaching.
 
Phemie said:
Well, then, according to Lepanto you should probably be in therapy because of the negative impact of finding out that you never would be.
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I was. I spent many hours arguing with Father that I was right and the Church was wrong.
 
“Pastoral leader” --pardon if this has been posted before. While searching for the priest that married us, my husband and i found him at a church where, on the staff page, he was listed as “Chaplain” below the “Pastoral Leader”—a nun, apparently. :confused:
 
Phemie said:
The alb is the garment of the baptized, what’s wrong with the altar servers wearing them? As for the cincture, the GIRM says that anyone who wears an alb should wear the cincture unless the alb is designed to be worn without one – the altar servers’ albs aren’t designed to be worn without.
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Thank you for the correction, Phemie. It was just a surprise to me since I was used to altar servcers in different attire.

Please accept my humble apology,

-Mis
 
**“Gathering song” **-- Isn’t that what church bells are for? They don’t start Mass until everyone has already gathered, so the gathering song doesn’t actually gather people unless it is really loud

"Sending Forth" hymn – How can we send people forth with the message in this hymn if they have already left? Another awkward title probably invented by Oregon Catholic Press.

Misuse of the word ambo – An ambo is a raised lectern with an open or semi-open back that is approachable from either side. If it is enclosed and approached from the rear via a staircase, it is a pulpit. If it stands on the floor, it is a lectern. A podium is an elevated platform that a lectern may be placed upon, not the lectern itself.
 
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