Similarities Between Jesus and Buddha

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I was a little vague in my earlier post. I meant to say the Buddha lived as a prince, with all the excesses that come with it. He later came to realize he was wrong and took another path.

Jesus knew all along his destiny, and didnot give into excesses.

Any way the buddha story is encouraging, because it shows anyone can repent.

But you must admire Jesus for his disciplined lifestyle.
 
I was a little vague in my earlier post. I meant to say the Buddha lived as a prince, with all the excesses that come with it. He later came to realize he was wrong and took another path.

Jesus knew all along his destiny, and didnot give into excesses.

Any way the buddha story is encouraging, because it shows anyone can repent.

But you must admire Jesus for his disciplined lifestyle.
First of all a disciplined lifestyle has nothing to do with living a life in excess or not. That is a misconception. Compared to many people in the world you and I are living a life in excess. Are you not leading a disciplined life? Or at least trying your best to do so?

Second of all the Buddha experienced both excess and severe deprivation before his enlightenment. Just saying to fill in the picture. :).

Third of all the Buddha lived 500 years before the Christ and did not have a concept of what *you * mean by sin at all.

But that being said what I am saying is that you cannot judge one system from the definitions of another.

Jesus assisted fisherman in their task of fishing and obviously killed thousands of beings in that single act. That wasn’t very ***skillfull *** at all by Buddhist standards.

See my point?

I am not familiar with the life of Jesus but if I was I am pretty sure I could point out many more things that are skillfully questionable. (That is questionable from a Buddhist definition of what is sin)

If not I can certainly pick out loads of acts of the God (your God) from the old testament that are a tiny bit questionable skillfully speaking too say the least. 😊

/Victor
 
First of all a disciplined lifestyle has nothing to do with living a life in excess or not. That is a misconception. Compared to many people in the world you and I are living a life in excess. Are you not leading a disciplined life? Or at least trying your best to do so?

Second of all the Buddha experienced both excess and severe deprivation before his enlightenment. Just saying to fill in the picture. :).

Third of all the Buddha lived 500 years before the Christ and did not have a concept of what *you * mean by sin at all.

But that being said what I am saying is that you cannot judge one system from the definitions of another.

Jesus assisted fisherman in their task of fishing and obviously killed thousands of beings in that single act. That wasn’t very ***skillfull *** at all by Buddhist standards.

See my point?

I am not familiar with the life of Jesus but if I was I am pretty sure I could point out many more things that are skillfully questionable. (That is questionable from a Buddhist definition of what is sin)

If not I can certainly pick out loads of acts of the God (your God) from the old testament that are a tiny bit questionable skillfully speaking too say the least. 😊

/Victor
perhaps it would be better to define forms of Buddhism since many Buddhists eat and kill fish (and many Christians are vegetarian) as well as define the word “sin” which means “error”. I’m sure that in the Buddhist pursuit of “Right livelihood”, and all the other “rights” there is an awareness of not hitting your mark or goal and a struggle to do better. That is an awareness of sin. Perhaps the stakes are different due to a belief in reincarnation.

I can see some similarities between Jesus and Buddha in that God created us all and in that design, we do resemble each other. On a spiritual path there are similarities in the human condition. But there are many differences, the first coming from our Christian belief that Jesus was God: "Many men would try to become God or god-like but only One would be God become man.

Buddha came from wealth and power and was protected from suffering for many of his early years until one day he stepped outside the palace and encountered human misery.

Jesus was born in humble surroundings, in a manger, and His parents had to escape with Him into Egypt because King Herod was killing young baby boys, fearful of the rumors about the birth of a Messiah. Jesus was raised by a Jewish carpenter. His parents were of royal lineage but lived in a working class: survival depended on hard work.

Perhaps they both would have agreed that becoming an earthly KING would not be a solution to the world’s problems.

Concerning suffering, Buddha wanted to eliminate suffering and attempted to learn how to shut it out to create enlightenment. He became perfect at that endeavor.

Jesus embraced suffering and reached out to many who were suffering. He healed many. He suffered at the end of His life by dying on the cross in order to free us from our sins/errors and He overcame death by Resurrection. Amongst Christians, suffering can be an offering to God . Jesus was already perfect.

Buddhism is a philosophy in many ways; Buddha is a philosopher. He has been deified by some of his followers.

Of course some branches of Christianity avoid the deification of Christ and reduce Him to a “very spiritual” man (I don’t know many “very spiritual” men who would perform such miracles, and go to their death because they say they are the Son of God, and return again to His followers.

Many truths of Buddhism and ways of living are similar to those truths in Judaism and Christianity, since humans are all on a similar spiritual path of seeking meaning to life.
There is a respect for human life and kindness amongst both. Buddha did come from the Hindu culture of pantheism; Jesus came from a Jewish culture of monotheism.

The concept of how many lives we have and how we achieve “enlightenment” is a difference in that in Christianity, an “unenlightened” person, living only one life, can possibly go straight to heaven through prayer, good actions, and confession. He does not have to achieve “enlightenment”, he does not have to come back again and again to deal with karma.
 
Then it is a not so rare false opinion.
As I said I have no idea what story is true and i do not think you know either since that would require extraordinary powers of seeing the past that I do not believe you possess? But just looking at the similarities in the movie and considering the miracles of Jesus it is possible in my opinion that he was in India.

If Jesus had been to India or thereabouts then his miraculous powers could be explained because the knowledge of iddhi, crafts (of supernormal nature) was probably very much alive in Asia at the time.

Also the similarities presented in the movie in some parts of the Christian doctrine to the Dhamma could also be explained that way since Jesus would have had opportunity to learn the Buddhas doctrine.

That would be a much more pragmatic explanation to why there are so many similarities between the doctrines than for instance to believe that there is an all pervading truth that surfaces from time to time in certain individuals.

I think many people despite their faith can see the reasoning behind that.

/Victor
 
As I said I have no idea what story is true and i do not think you know either since that would require extraordinary powers of seeing the past that I do not believe you possess? But just looking at the similarities in the movie and considering the miracles of Jesus it is possible in my opinion that he was in India.

If Jesus had been to India or thereabouts then his miraculous powers could be explained because the knowledge of iddhi, crafts (of supernormal nature) was probably very much alive in Asia at the time.

Also the similarities presented in the movie in some parts of the Christian doctrine to the Dhamma could also be explained that way since Jesus would have had opportunity to learn the Buddhas doctrine.

That would be a much more pragmatic explanation to why there are so many similarities between the doctrines than for instance to believe that there is an all pervading truth that surfaces from time to time in certain individuals.

I think many people despite their faith can see the reasoning behind that.

/Victor
He could have learnt the doctrines from Jewish sources like the school of Hillel jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7698-hillel
Which is after all rather more likely than a journey to India to acquaint Himself with ideas that were widely circulated in Palestine.
 
…as well as define the word “sin” which means “error”. I’m sure that in the Buddhist pursuit of “Right livelihood”, and all the other “rights” there is an awareness of not hitting your mark or goal and a struggle to do better.
This is the exact meaning of unskillfull action. To fall and rise again. There is a slight difference in that the result of unskillfull action will always without exception land on your head. I.e. there is no absolution.(at least in theory, practically I am not so sure personally). And also there is no Tabu characteristic in unskillfull action due to the explicit restrictions of an outer Authority. You “just” have to suffer the consequences of your actions.
I can see some similarities between Jesus and Buddha in that God created us all and in that design, we do resemble each other. On a spiritual path there are similarities in the human condition. But there are many differences, the first coming from our Christian belief that Jesus was God: "Many men would try to become God or god-like but only One would be God become man.
Hmm yepp but of course the Buddha never tried to emulate any God nor try to become one. But I agree. The Buddha showed a path that one can follow without the consent of a God.
Perhaps they both would have agreed that becoming an earthly KING would not be a solution to the world’s problems.
That was a good point of similarity! I think they most certainly would agree on that.

/Victor
 
I think they both introduced a totally new revolutionary path for people to follow.

They were both great knower’s of mens hearts. And knew how to adjust the teaching/preaching depending on the audience.

They both thought that humanity was worth their effort.

They transformed the lives and minds of the people they touched.

They both converted their enemies.

They both refuted their contemporaries with success.

They both demanded great sacrifices from their disciples who had to give up all worldly ties.

As Auntie A pointed out they both refused to become worldly kings.

Their message of love is very similar.

They both had a clear understanding of cause and moral effect of actions, deeds and words.

Neither believed in Violence but advocated Peace.

/Victor

PS
The more I think about it the more I believe they might have “hit it off” if they had really met. Maybe they did.

They were after all both able to perform miraculous deeds.

DS
 
As I said I have no idea what story is true and i do not think you know either since that would require extraordinary powers of seeing the past that I do not believe you possess? But just looking at the similarities in the movie and considering the miracles of Jesus it is possible in my opinion that he was in India.

If Jesus had been to India or thereabouts then his miraculous powers could be explained because the knowledge of iddhi, crafts (of supernormal nature) was probably very much alive in Asia at the time.

Also the similarities presented in the movie in some parts of the Christian doctrine to the Dhamma could also be explained that way since Jesus would have had opportunity to learn the Buddhas doctrine.

That would be a much more pragmatic explanation to why there are so many similarities between the doctrines than for instance to believe that there is an all pervading truth that surfaces from time to time in certain individuals.

I think many people despite their faith can see the reasoning behind that.

/Victor
I’m gonna try asking some questions in an attempt to get you to understand why is a false view to think Jesus somehow traveled to India.

Does Hinduism have a Jewish concept of resurrection?

Does Hinduism view the Jews as a special people given the law of Torah?

Does Hinduism accept the psalms, torah, issaiah and various other books of the Old testament and quote from them when making a point?

In Hinduism do you understand yourselves in line with the prophets?

In hinduism can a fisherman be made the leader of an entire community and be given an authority far beyond his rank inherited at birth?

Does Hinduism hold the sabbath in honour? Is there a Lord of the sabbath in hinduism?

Does hinduism accept an ultimate end to this mere material world wherein everything is glorified and made totally holy and sanctified unto the One God?

In Hinduism can one raise people from the dead? Can one gain an eternal body which is not subject to corruption? Which is both spiritual and physical?

These questions are rhetorical I should add, your not meant to answer them. Rather if you knew anything about the new testament (which you have admitted to know little), you would know Jesus taught these things, these very hebrew, very jewish things which cannot have their origin in Hinduism. Now when we are proposing theories on the historical Jesus before even engaging in such an enterprise you should really occupy yourself with primary literature we have, the Gospels and the New testament for one. We should not stop there but examine all the relevant material of roman, Jewish and Greek, cultures and languages which are closer to the historical Jesus than this fanciful notion of a Hindu Jesus. We can best locate Jesus within his own context, within the world of second temple judaism, we do not have to resort to elaborate theories which have little justification when compared to the most obvious one, that he was a Jew who was raised in Judaism. Now that’s a subject of debate in its own right, just how did Jesus relate to the judaism of his day. Its a much more worthy subject than entertaining the notion he was a hindu. Its like saying Francis of Assisi was so peaceful and loving that he must have gone abroad and studied under hindus or that Saint Anthony the Hermit must have had his asceticism from hindu ascetics. We have no overpowering reason to believe those ideas, so why should we believe Jesus traveled all the way to india and then back to teach an audience which would be totally unfamiliar with the new ideas he had? How could a hindu ever start amongst the jews? That is a problem in your thesis.
 
I’m gonna try asking some questions in an attempt to get you to understand why is a false view to think Jesus somehow traveled to India.

Does Hinduism have a Jewish concept of resurrection?

Does Hinduism view the Jews as a special people given the law of Torah?

Does Hinduism accept the psalms, torah, issaiah and various other books of the Old testament and quote from them when making a point?

In Hinduism do you understand yourselves in line with the prophets?

In hinduism can a fisherman be made the leader of an entire community and be given an authority far beyond his rank inherited at birth?

Does Hinduism hold the sabbath in honour? Is there a Lord of the sabbath in hinduism?

Does hinduism accept an ultimate end to this mere material world wherein everything is glorified and made totally holy and sanctified unto the One God?

In Hinduism can one raise people from the dead? Can one gain an eternal body which is not subject to corruption? Which is both spiritual and physical?

These questions are rhetorical I should add, your not meant to answer them…etc
I am going to stop you right there while you had a small moment of clarity. It is true I cannot answer this because I am a Buddhist. Says so after the caption:religion at the top right of my posts.

I have no idea what Hinduism can or cannot do in this particular case.

You might want to rephrase?

Cheers.
Victor the Buddhist.
 
I am going to stop you right there while you had a small moment of clarity. It is true I cannot answer this because I am a Buddhist. Says so after the caption:religion at the top right of my posts.

I have no idea what Hinduism can or cannot do in this particular case.

You might want to rephrase?

Cheers.
Victor the Buddhist.
The same questions can equally apply to Buddhism. The point remains the same, such ideas are foreign to Buddhism and we find such ideas taught by the Christ of the Gospels.
 
Maybe you * might but I* fail to see the relevance.

Again, you might want to rephrase?

What is it that you are trying to get at?

/Victor
Did I not make that clear in my previous post? The problem for you is that Jesus held to an awful lot of non Buddhist beliefs, including Resurrection, the authority of Torah, the authority of the priests in the seat of Moses, a belief in the special significance of the Jewish people when compared to the gentile people and etc. The Jesus we find is teeming not with hinduism or buddhism or any other sort of far eastern faith, he is overflowing in the jewish context of his time. That is how best form a critical theory of understanding him historically. We do not need to appeal to a wacky hypothesis that he learned all he knew from a guru somewhere in India.
 
Did I not make that clear in my previous post?
No not really.
The problem for you is that Jesus held to an awful lot of non Buddhist beliefs
Obviously!? Otherwise he would be a Awakened Being and would have led people to nibbana instead of to heaven.

So what?
, including Resurrection,
Resurrection is called reincarnation in Buddhism. It is commonly known that beings of higher karmic order (like Jesus) can be reborn spontaneously. Without a father… or even a mother. Ring a bell?
the authority of Torah, the authority of the priests in the seat of Moses, a belief in the special significance of the Jewish people when compared to the gentile people and etc. The Jesus we find is teeming not with hinduism or buddhism or any other sort of far eastern faith, he is overflowing in the jewish context of his time. That is how best form a critical theory of understanding him historically.
We do not need to appeal to a wacky hypothesis that he learned all he knew from a guru somewhere in India.
It might be so. But then again he might have gone to Bombay. Just for a vacation? I mean he was going to be tortured and killed afterwards? Who wouldn’t want a vacation knowing that?

And when he got there he learned some really cool stuff from some really cool dudes and thought “Awesome. I could really use some of this stuff in my teachings when I get back and start my ministry.” After all why not borrow from them when he allegedly borrowed from other Jews?

When you say wacky, do you mean wacky like the above statement or another kind of wacky? I have run into so many kinds of wacky recently that I get confused.

/Victor

PS
I have already stated that I have no Idea if he went to India or not. What else do you expect me to say?
DS
 
Welcome Grym. Sorry for the late response. But thank you for giving us your opinions from a Buddhist perspective. 👍
 
No not really.

Obviously!? Otherwise he would be a Awakened Being and would have led people to nibbana instead of to heaven.

So what?

Resurrection is called reincarnation in Buddhism. It is commonly known that beings of higher karmic order (like Jesus) can be reborn spontaneously. Without a father… or even a mother. Ring a bell?

It might be so. But then again he might have gone to Bombay. Just for a vacation? I mean he was going to be tortured and killed afterwards? Who wouldn’t want a vacation knowing that?

And when he got there he learned some really cool stuff from some really cool dudes and thought “Awesome. I could really use some of this stuff in my teachings when I get back and start my ministry.” After all why not borrow from them when he allegedly borrowed from other Jews?

When you say wacky, do you mean wacky like the above statement or another kind of wacky? I have run into so many kinds of wacky recently that I get confused.

/Victor

PS
I have already stated that I have no Idea if he went to India or not. What else do you expect me to say?
DS
Here’s where you betray your ignorance. Resurrection does not mean reincarnation and really cannot mean that within the context of Jesus Christ. The early apostles claimed that Jesus was risen from the dead and they did not mean reincarnation, they meant anastasis, which the Greeks rejected and laughed at them for. I recommend a book, Jesus and the victory of God wherein NT wright goes through the usages of this word and shows that it could only mean a physical resuscitation of a body made glorified. I knew you would do this and this is not your fault as you are trying your best to defend the indefensible, but you really need to at least attempt to study the issue before commenting on it. You have admitted you have read little of the New testament and if you want to talk about Jesus you ought at least read it and be thoroughly acquainted with it or remain quiet. Just some advice. I would look rather foolish myself if I did anything other than ask questions about the Buddha.

Now your later answers are not taking this discussion as seriously as it ought to be. You realize your faith in the Buddha, you should be able then to understand my Faith in my Lord Jesus Christ. This is a serious subject and not one for gentle mockery by suggesting Jesus went to Bombay on vocation.

Either way you do not understand the central problem to your thesis, that we can better understand Jesus in relation to the worlds of Judaism, Rome and Greece, three immediate words of faith, empire and paganism which Jesus dealt with in his life. We can understand Jesus better as a Jew than we can a Hindu or a Buddhist. We can understand why he chose 12 disciples, why he cleansed the temple, why he condemned the religious authorities, why he did anything without the need to resort to Jesus learning from Buddhist and Hindu Mystics. Until you give us an overpowering reason why we should view him as living in another world mindset than the three I gave, you really have no case to make. What your essentially saying is something you think is plausible and can’t be refuted for the sake of an argument, but it fails all scrutiny. I would ask again, do we assume that because Saint Anthony pioneered a radical form of asceticism that he must have learned it from Hindu Mystics? Do we need Augustine to have traveled to India to have learnt the philosophy and classics he knew? Why can’t we make all famous figures take a mystical pilgrimage to India? Muhammad must have been inspired by Krishna and there are missing years of his life that we really don’t know what he was doing, he must have traded with Indians and learnt their theology! Do you see how absurd it is to single out Jesus when you might as well claim credit for every major religious figure’s knowledge.
 
I have respect for the Buddhist tradition because it has found truth through contemplation and meditation.
  1. Our world is secondary to a greater power.
  2. That great power is associated with goodness.
  3. A persons own goodness survives after death.
  4. A persons goodness is a determining factor in the next life.
  5. A person’s goodness creates a connection to the ultimate reality of the great power.
I would like to think that the Christian incarnation, is to a large extent a validation of the wisdom of the Buddha and moves Buddhist thought from the contemplative to the actual.
 
Welcome Grym. Sorry for the late response. But thank you for giving us your opinions from a Buddhist perspective. 👍
You are very welcome.

:).

As to your original question. I do not think that Jesus can be weakened by some comparison to anybody.

In fact I do not think the suggested comparison is applicable in any other way than an intellectual escapade.

🤷
 
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