Simon, Bar-Jonah?

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In Matthew 16:18, why did Jesus say, “Blessed are you Simon-Bariona” (son of Jonah), when Simon’s father was named John?

Is John and Jonah two interpretations of the same name?
 
In Matthew 16:18, why did Jesus say, “Blessed are you Simon-Bariona” (son of Jonah), when Simon’s father was named John?

Is John and Jonah two interpretations of the same name?
Simon Son of Bar Jona is another term for Son of John.

Simon bar-Jona (Σιμων Βαριωνας from Šim`ôn bar-Yônâ, ‘Simon son of Jonah,’ or Son of John.
 
In Matthew 16:18, why did Jesus say, “Blessed are you Simon-Bariona” (son of Jonah), when Simon’s father was named John?

Is John and Jonah two interpretations of the same name?
Yes, John and Jonah, are different translations of the same name. Actually neither name (John / Jona) exists in Hebrew or Aramaic, nor does the name Jesus. All of these “J” names are our english translation.
 
Scott Hahn has an interesting take on this in his audio program “our fathers plan”.
Just before Jesus made that statement, Jesus said “An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”
So when Peter states that Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus responds back to Peter that he is the son of Jonah, in other words a son of Jesus. I probably butchered that but that was sort of the point Scott was making, i think…

Oh heck, listen to the program youself.
 
Scott Hahn has an interesting take on this in his audio program “our fathers plan”.
Just before Jesus made that statement, Jesus said “An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”
So when Peter states that Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus responds back to Peter that he is the son of Jonah, in other words a son of Jesus. I probably butchered that but that was sort of the point Scott was making, i think…

Oh heck, listen to the program youself.
This was one of the reasons I started this thread. I remembered Scott Hahn’s reference to Jonah, linking it to Jesus, but I couldn’t remember where it came from. I was hoping someone could help me out.

Thanks, Runandsew!

I also seem to remember that Jonah was one of the more famous high-priests of Israel, but I couldn’t find any biblical sources (I searched through the Old Testament) about a high priest named Jonah, just the prophet.
 
I have a theory about what Jesus meant when he said that the only sign given would be the sign of Jonah. Most people know that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days, and so a common understanding is that the sign of Jonah is Jesus’ resurrection on the third day.

However there’s more to the Jonah story. The reason Jonah refused God’s call to prophecy is because he was told to go preach repentence or doom to Nineveh, the capital of Assyria. You have to understand that the Assyrians were the biggest enemies the Jewish people had. They were responsible for so much death and destruction. It was literally like being asked to go preach in Berlin during the middle of the Holocaust. The miracle, and what I believe to be the real sign of Jonah, is that everyone in Nineveh listened to Jonah, repented, foreswore evil, and turned to God.

It was inconceivable that these, the most evil and hated of all people, would repent overnight. Yet it happened. So what was the sign of Jonah that Jesus predicted in Luke’s gospel? How about the equally inconceivable phenomenon of the explosive growth of Christianity in the Gentile world? The visible sign of the Holy Spirit’s hand in the growth of the new faith.
 
Jonah and Jesus are connected? You bet’cha!

Here’s something from www.agapebiblestudy.com

THE TYPOLOGY OF JONAH AND JESUS


The story of Jonah foreshadows redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
JONAH
JESUS

1. His mission was to call the gentile Assyrians of Nineveh to repentance and acknowledgement of Yahweh as the source of their salvation [Jonah 1:1; 3:1-2].
1. His mission was to call all of mankind, including the gentile nations, to repentance and into Covenant with Yahweh [Matthew 28:18-20].
2. Jonah was willing to sacrifice his life for the salvation of his shipmates [Jonah 1:12].
2. Jesus was willing to sacrifice His life for the salvation of the world [Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 1:29; 1 Timothy 2:6].
3. He was entombed in the belly of a great fish [Jonah 2:1].
3. After Jesus’ death He was placed in a tomb [Matthew 27:60; Mark 6:29; Luke 23:53].
4. On the third day Jonah was “resurrected” from the belly of the fish [Jonah 2:11].
4. On the third day Jesus was resurrected from the tomb [Matthew 17:23; 20:19; 28:1-10; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 16:1-7; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7; 24:46].
5. After his “resurrection” from the belly of the fish, Jonah continued his mission to call the gentile Assyrians to repentance and salvation [Jonah 3:1-3].
5. After His resurrection from the tomb, Jesus continued His mission to found the universal Church and to commission the Apostles to spread the gospel to every nation on earth ;it is a mission that continues even after His Ascension [Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:12-20; Luke 24:13-53; Acts chapter 1].
6. Jonah preached that Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days if the people did not repent [Jonah 3:4].
6. After His resurrection, Jesus taught the New Covenant Church for 40 days before His Ascension [Acts 1:3].
7. Jonah taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Jonah 1:1; 3:4-5, 9-10]
7. Jesus taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Matthew 5:21-22; John 5:22-29; 8:34-36; Luke 24:47; John 3:17; 5:34; 10:19; Acts 2:21].

M. Hunt copyright 2005
 
Jonah and Jesus are connected? You bet’cha!

Here’s something from www.agapebibluestudy.com

THE TYPOLOGY OF JONAH AND JESUS

The story of Jonah foreshadows redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
Code:
         JONAH**      *JESUS***

                    1. His mission was to call   the gentile Assyrians of Nineveh to repentance and acknowledgement of Yahweh   as the source of their salvation [Jonah 1:1; 3:1-2].
*** 1. His mission was to call all of mankind, including the gentile nations, to repentance and into Covenant with Yahweh [Matthew 28:18-20].***
  1. Jonah was willing to sacrifice his life for the salvation of his shipmates [Jonah 1:12].

Code:
     2. Jesus was willing to   sacrifice His life for the salvation of the world [Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45;   John 1:29; 1 Timothy 2:6].***
  1. He was entombed in the belly of a great fish [Jonah 2:1].
3. After Jesus’ death He was placed in a tomb [Matthew 27:60; Mark 6:29; Luke 23:53].
  1. On the third day Jonah was “resurrected” from the belly of the fish [Jonah 2:11].
*** 4. On the third day Jesus was resurrected from the tomb [Matthew 17:23; 20:19; 28:1-10; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 16:1-7; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7; 24:46].***
  1. After his “resurrection” from the belly of the fish, Jonah continued his mission to call the gentile Assyrians to repentance and salvation [Jonah 3:1-3].
*** 5. After His resurrection from the tomb, Jesus continued His mission to found the universal Church and to commission the Apostles to spread the gospel to every nation on earth ;it is a mission that continues even after His Ascension [Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:12-20; Luke 24:13-53; Acts chapter 1].***
  1. Jonah preached that Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days if the people did not repent [Jonah 3:4].
6. After His resurrection, Jesus taught the New Covenant Church for 40 days before His Ascension [Acts 1:3].
  1. Jonah taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Jonah 1:1; 3:4-5, 9-10]
7. Jesus taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Matthew 5:21-22; John 5:22-29; 8:34-36; Luke 24:47; John 3:17; 5:34; 10:19; Acts 2:21].
 
Jonah and Jesus are connected? You bet’cha!

Here’s something from www.agapebibluestudy.com

THE TYPOLOGY OF JONAH AND JESUS

The story of Jonah foreshadows redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
Code:
         JONAH**      *JESUS***

                    1. His mission was to call   the gentile Assyrians of Nineveh to repentance and acknowledgement of Yahweh   as the source of their salvation [Jonah 1:1; 3:1-2].
*** 1. His mission was to call all of mankind, including the gentile nations, to repentance and into Covenant with Yahweh [Matthew 28:18-20].***
  1. Jonah was willing to sacrifice his life for the salvation of his shipmates [Jonah 1:12].

Code:
     2. Jesus was willing to   sacrifice His life for the salvation of the world [Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45;   John 1:29; 1 Timothy 2:6].***
  1. He was entombed in the belly of a great fish [Jonah 2:1].
3. After Jesus’ death He was placed in a tomb [Matthew 27:60; Mark 6:29; Luke 23:53].
  1. On the third day Jonah was “resurrected” from the belly of the fish [Jonah 2:11].
*** 4. On the third day Jesus was resurrected from the tomb [Matthew 17:23; 20:19; 28:1-10; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 16:1-7; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7; 24:46].***
  1. After his “resurrection” from the belly of the fish, Jonah continued his mission to call the gentile Assyrians to repentance and salvation [Jonah 3:1-3].
*** 5. After His resurrection from the tomb, Jesus continued His mission to found the universal Church and to commission the Apostles to spread the gospel to every nation on earth ;it is a mission that continues even after His Ascension [Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:12-20; Luke 24:13-53; Acts chapter 1].***
  1. Jonah preached that Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days if the people did not repent [Jonah 3:4].
6. After His resurrection, Jesus taught the New Covenant Church for 40 days before His Ascension [Acts 1:3].
  1. Jonah taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Jonah 1:1; 3:4-5, 9-10]
7. Jesus taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Matthew 5:21-22; John 5:22-29; 8:34-36; Luke 24:47; John 3:17; 5:34; 10:19; Acts 2:21].
Exactly. And since Peter is now the son of Jonah, that makes Peter His son. Recalling the Prime Minister from Isaish, and the Keys and you have the Papacy.
 
Jonah and Jesus are connected? You bet’cha!

Here’s something from www.agapebibluestudy.com

THE TYPOLOGY OF JONAH AND JESUS

The story of Jonah foreshadows redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
Code:
         JONAH**      *JESUS***

                    1. His mission was to call   the gentile Assyrians of Nineveh to repentance and acknowledgement of Yahweh   as the source of their salvation [Jonah 1:1; 3:1-2].
*** 1. His mission was to call all of mankind, including the gentile nations, to repentance and into Covenant with Yahweh [Matthew 28:18-20].***
  1. Jonah was willing to sacrifice his life for the salvation of his shipmates [Jonah 1:12].

Code:
     2. Jesus was willing to   sacrifice His life for the salvation of the world [Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45;   John 1:29; 1 Timothy 2:6].***
  1. He was entombed in the belly of a great fish [Jonah 2:1].
3. After Jesus’ death He was placed in a tomb [Matthew 27:60; Mark 6:29; Luke 23:53].
  1. On the third day Jonah was “resurrected” from the belly of the fish [Jonah 2:11].
*** 4. On the third day Jesus was resurrected from the tomb [Matthew 17:23; 20:19; 28:1-10; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 16:1-7; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7; 24:46].***
  1. After his “resurrection” from the belly of the fish, Jonah continued his mission to call the gentile Assyrians to repentance and salvation [Jonah 3:1-3].
*** 5. After His resurrection from the tomb, Jesus continued His mission to found the universal Church and to commission the Apostles to spread the gospel to every nation on earth ;it is a mission that continues even after His Ascension [Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:12-20; Luke 24:13-53; Acts chapter 1].***
  1. Jonah preached that Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days if the people did not repent [Jonah 3:4].
6. After His resurrection, Jesus taught the New Covenant Church for 40 days before His Ascension [Acts 1:3].
  1. Jonah taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Jonah 1:1; 3:4-5, 9-10]
7. Jesus taught that failure to repent sin brings judgment but salvation is a gift of God [Matthew 5:21-22; John 5:22-29; 8:34-36; Luke 24:47; John 3:17; 5:34; 10:19; Acts 2:21].
a couple similarities is that Christ fell asleep on the boat and the Apostles got scared when a storm came just as Jonah was asleep on the boat when the storm came.

Both were the cause of the storm stopping.

Jonah <==> Christ

Jonah is a type of Christ.
 
In Matthew 16:18, why did Jesus say, “Blessed are you Simon-Bariona” (son of Jonah), when Simon’s father was named John?

Is John and Jonah two interpretations of the same name?
Also, when Christ said son of Bar-Jonah, He effectively changed Peter’s lineage at the same time (like in the case of Ruth).
 
Also, when Christ said son of Bar-Jonah, He effectively changed Peter’s lineage at the same time (like in the case of Ruth).
How so? This is the point I was looking for in my OP, but I haven’t quite connected the dots.
 
How so? This is the point I was looking for in my OP, but I haven’t quite connected the dots.
When an Israelite marries someone outside their family, that someone’s lineage is no longer what it previously was; their ancestors are now the ancestors of Isreal (we see this in the genealogy how Ruth’s ancestors (not by blood but by marriage) are Abraham, Issac, and Jacob).

Remember that Ruth was NOT a Israelite.

Read the genealogy of Christ and you will see that Ruth was included in it. This is because when she entered into the house of Israel by becoming the wife of Boaz.

Ruth 4:13:
Boaz took Ruth. When they came together as man and wife, the LORD enabled her to conceive and she bore a son.
and we read in the genealogy that,

Mattew 1:5:
Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab. Boaz became the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth. Obed became the father of Jesse,
Hope that helps.
 
Why did Jesus call Peter the “son of Jonah” in Matt 16:17

Commentary (transcribed)
Jonah was known for going to which peoples – the gentiles in Nineveh.

Peter will, in a sense, be sent to the gentiles as well and will end up in Rome proclaiming the gospel to the Gentiles in the Roman empire.

The message of Jonah isn’t received in Israel, it is received in Nineveh – the great capital city of the Assyrians – the people who were oppressing Israel.
Peter like Jonah will be sent to the empire who is oppressing Israel and that is Rome and toits captail city and there the message of the Gospel will be heeded.

This is part of the sign of Jonah.

Source: - EWTN Series - The Gospel of Saint Matthew
Dr Tim Gray
Professor of Scripture
St Augustine Institute

It was literally like being asked to go preach in Berlin during the middle of the Holocaust. The miracle, and what I believe to be the real sign of Jonah, is that everyone in Nineveh listened to Jonah, repented, foreswore evil, and turned to God.

Source: taken from forum below

Personal note:
Do you think Jesus was referring to Simon’s dad prior to giving Simon a new name :Cephas/Peter or was Jesus referring to Jonah in the Old Testament?
I prefer the logic contained in the above commentary by Dr Tim Gray than the confusing “John and Jonah name is basically the same name” argument. Why didn’t the Matthew write down John in the first place if this was the case?

 
Not to mention, if you know Aramaic or Arabic that those names are COMPLETELY different.
If you know Aramaic, Arabic, or Hebrew, these names don’t even exist. These languages do not have the same alphabet as English. Translations of names to english sometimes use letters which do not exist in their original language.
 
If you know Aramaic, Arabic, or Hebrew, these names don’t even exist. These languages do not have the same alphabet as English. Translations of names to english sometimes use letters which do not exist in their original language.
What language were they translated from? Hmmm…
 
Something else I found which supports the interpretation that when Jesus called him “Simon bar Jonah”, he was commissioning Simon Peter to preach to the Gentiles in foreign lands.

An excerpt from a sermon titled “Israel and the Nations” by a Jew - Bob Mendelsohn,
Given at St Stephens Anglican church, Bomaderry NSW, Australia
www.jewsforjesus.org.au/docs/IsraelMission.doc

But we didn’t always comply with God’s plan, did we? Do you remember the story of Jonah? He was a man of God who had a call to go to preach; only there was a problem. The recipients were supposed to be the Gentiles, Goyim, from Nineveh, which is the ancient area of modern-day Iraq. God wanted Jonah to share His message of love and redemption, but Jonah had racist bigotry and booked passage on a boat going the other way, for a three-hour-tour towards Tarshish. A storm arose, and Jonah got eaten up. The man in the whale got in trouble because he would not take the message of God to the Goyim. By the way, if you don’t know what a goy is, you are one. A large fish came, swallowed him and Jonah began to rethink the whole ‘go, don’t go’ thing.

Now let me remind you of another character in Jewish history, perhaps a bit more familiar. His name is Simon Peter, and one of his nicknames, perhaps his more formal name is Simon Bar Jonah. Once he was daydreaming and a vision came down from heaven. This by the way is recorded in the Bible in Acts chapter 10. In the dream Peter saw a sheet coming down from heaven with Four Corners. Remember the number four?

In this four-cornered sheet were all kinds of treif, non-kosher, in fact all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Something you might have seen on the latest episode of Survivor, but nothing this Jewish man would have eaten.

So God and Peter have a conversation and Peter reminds God of Peter’s heritage and tells him in no uncertain terms that he will no way, no how, eat such a thing. God in even fewer uncertain terms reminds Peter, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” (Acts 10.15). After two instant replays of this scene, Peter hears a knock on the door. It’s a group of ambassadors from the home of a Roman soldier named Cornelius, and it seems Cornelius wants to invite Peter along for a series of sermons. Peter was fascinated. They all stayed the night.

The Bible says that the next day all of them and several of the Jewish believers went along to Cornelius’ house in Caesarea. This town is some sixty-five miles northwest of Jerusalem. Quite a trek. And in the middle of Peter’s sermon, the Gentiles were all filled with the Holy Spirit and were born again. Amazing. Why would Peter go after all? What motivated him to leave and go to these Gentiles? He tells us, even as he began his sermon that day, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean. “That is why I came without even raising any objection when I was sent for.” (Acts 10:28-9) In other words, the vision of the bacon double cheeseburgers and the fish and chips Lobster shrimp basket was not about food, it was about Gentiles. It was about people! But not Jewish people, rather all the other peoples. Aha! “All the earth is mine!”

Peter had been staying down the coast with another Simon named Tanner. Do you remember in what town that was? Joppa the Bible tells us, a small suburb to modern day Tel Aviv. And it was at Joppa that Jonah refused to go to the Ninevites. Now, thousands of years later, the son of Jonah, Simon Bar Jonah, has his chance and does what his forebear did not. He takes the message of God and redemption to the Gentiles. God wants all people to have a chance to hear.

Jesus came to fulfill the role of “Israel”, to be God’s ultimate Israel, to bring the Good News to the Jews and to the Gentiles. He was the true High Priest who priested God’s message to the world, and who truly understood ‘all the earth is mine.’ He told the disciples to take the Good News message “to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” Here we see the particular and the universal again. Start with the particular, with the Jewish people and go to the ends of the earth.

Peter heard Y’shua originally speak this before the Ascension, but he didn’t really hear it, did he? He didn’t go. Not until Acts 10. It took Peter 10 years and 10 chapters to get it right about those outside his world.
 
Back to Simon Bar Jonah. I think Dr. Scott Hahn must have left out that even though Jesus calls Simon Bar Jonah in Matthew 16:16, in Matthew 16:22-23 we see:
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
So then I would say that Jesus calls Peter Simon Bar Jonah because like Jonah one minute he gets an assignment to declare Jesus the Son of God and the next minute God the Son Jesus calls him “Satan”. Thus Simon is really not the Son of Abraham but the son of Jonah failing to fullfill his own calling. Peter never recovered from this moment on. He is on skid row. He only gets back at his feet on the day of Pentecost.!
 
Back to Simon Bar Jonah. I think Dr. Scott Hahn must have left out that even though Jesus calls Simon Bar Jonah in Matthew 16:16, in Matthew 16:22-23 we see:
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
So then I would say that Jesus calls Peter Simon Bar Jonah because like Jonah one minute he gets an assignment to declare Jesus the Son of God and the next minute God the Son Jesus calls him “Satan”. Thus Simon is really not the Son of Abraham but the son of Jonah failing to fullfill his own calling.
Does Jesus undo what He just did for Peter? No.

After this moment when Peter defends Jesus from something he doesn’t yet understand
  • Is Peter still Rock? Yes
  • Is he the one Jesus will build His Church on? Yes
  • Does Peter have the keys of the Kingdom? Yes
  • Does Jesus mention keys with anyone else in scripture? No
  • Does Peter have the power to bind and loose on earth which will be bound and loosed in heaven? Yes
  • Does Jesus go back on anything He does here for Peter? No
  • Did Peter fail to fulfill his calling as you said? No
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Peter never recovered from this moment on. He is on skid row. He only gets back at his feet on the day of Pentecost.!
Between Ceserea Philippi, and Pentecost, much happened in the education of ALL the apostles. But Jesus always singled out Peter because Peter is the leader. I know it bugs you, but Peter is the Father’s choice. That’s the inside track. :cool:
 
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