Simplest NFP

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I am currently ecologically breastfeeding seven month old twin boys with no sign of returned fertility.

What would be the simplest NFP for us to implement once I begin to show signs of fertility returning? I ask for the simplest to utilize because we likely won’t be using NFP to space our babies, but instead as a tool to see when the conception occurs and thus when to expect our next baby to be born.

Thanks for some basic NFP information!
 
I’m not sure I understand what you mean by " I ask for the simplest to utilize because we likely won’t be using NFP to space our babies, but instead as a tool to see when the conception occurs and thus when to expect our next baby to be born."

Probably Marquette (or a version of Marquette) since you use technology to detect your hormone levels. The Clearblue fertility monitor is pricey ($150+) but you could do a version of marquette by buying less expensive urine test strips and checking EVERYDAY for LH surge and do a crosscheck with the Clearblue digital ovulation kit (since the test strips can be difficult to interpret whereas CB gives a smiley face if you ovulate). The digital strips are $35 but if you use the cheaper strip, you could basically stretch the digital strips out.

With STM you just check your temp and your mucus but I like the idea of having “data” from checking the urine.

Disclaimer: I have never used NFP to achieve or delay pregnancy but I have done a lot of research on it and have the STM and Marquette manuals.
 
I am currently ecologically breastfeeding seven month old twin boys with no sign of returned fertility.

What would be the simplest NFP for us to implement once I begin to show signs of fertility returning? I ask for the simplest to utilize because we likely won’t be using NFP to space our babies, but instead as a tool to see when the conception occurs and thus when to expect our next baby to be born.

Thanks for some basic NFP information!
The best method of all, is keep a jelly bean between your knees…
Sorry for my humour…lol
 
When I think “simple NFP” I think of methods that don’t require charting, like the TwoDay Method or Standard Days Method. Those are effective for postponing pregnancy but probably wouldn’t be so helpful to you, since it sounds like you want a record for the purpose of identifying a future conception. The sympto-thermal method would make for a great chart but it is probably more complicated than you are looking for, since it requires multiple signs. Fertility monitors are simple and easy but can be expensive if you’re planning on doing this long-term. So I think you’re looking at mucus-only methods like Billings or Creighton, and if it were me, I’d go with whichever will be easier to learn because of proximity to an instructor (maybe even one who makes house calls!).

On the other hand, if you’re only interested in dating a future pregnancy, the easiest “method” would probably be to just take a pregnancy test every four weeks and make an appt for an early ultrasound once it comes back positive. Of course, I’m so pro-NFP that I feel like a bit of a heretic for writing that…

Good luck!
 
Being Naive about NFP… it all sounds very messy to me…
 
The Billings Ovulation Method is the simplest and the most scientifically researched method out there. 99.5% effective at avoiding pregnancy.

But there must be a serious reason to avoid pregnancy. NFP is not Catholic Birth Control.
 
“I’m not sure I understand what you mean by " I ask for the simplest to utilize because we likely won’t be using NFP to space our babies, but instead as a tool to see when the conception occurs and thus when to expect our next baby to be born.”"

I mean that, unless a serious reason presents itself when my fertility naturally returns as the babies nurse less and less, we will not be using NFP to “delay” or “achieve” pregnancy. Just want to use it more for awareness.

We choose to go with the least amount of intervention possible during pregnancy, and will not use ultrasound imaging unless it is medically necessary. From what I understand, the margin of error for fetal size is quite large, and many women have been induced early based on faulty assumptions after an ultrasound was performed.

I predicted my due date based on when I felt I ovulated (symptoms) and had kept a record of my periods for 7 months before marriage. My date based on when I assumed I ovulated and the date based on the calendar were a week apart. The babies were born 2 days before my predicted date and 9 before the calendar date, so they were either 39 or 40 weeks!

Before you think I’m too crazy, we did have a homebirth midwife, and she went by the calendar. She also did basic prenatal care, and my healthy, full-term twins were nice sized and alert after birth, and have never even had a cold!

“On the other hand, if you’re only interested in dating a future pregnancy, the easiest “method” would probably be to just take a pregnancy test every four weeks and make an appt for an early ultrasound once it comes back positive. Of course, I’m so pro-NFP that I feel like a bit of a heretic for writing that…”

😃 That actually sounds like a good idea (uh oh, now you’ll really feel like a heretic!). Would you believe I never actually took a pregnancy test?! Since I conceived on my first post-marriage cycle and early pregnancy symptoms were obvious, I felt no need to buy a test! Of course, things are different now, and now that I have 2 nursing babies, something besides intuition might be necessary!

“So I think you’re looking at mucus-only methods like Billings or Creighton, and if it were me, I’d go with whichever will be easier to learn because of proximity to an instructor (maybe even one who makes house calls!).”

I will have to investigate those methods. The only one I knew about was the symptom-thermal, and I do not want to set an alarm to wake up to take my temperature! Maybe if I had a reason to postpone, I would, but for my purposes, it seems like a lot of trouble (and the babies might wake up early!). So thank you so much for mentioning those mucous-only methods! I see another poster mentioned Billings as well!
 
“I’m not sure I understand what you mean by " I ask for the simplest to utilize because we likely won’t be using NFP to space our babies, but instead as a tool to see when the conception occurs and thus when to expect our next baby to be born.”"

I mean that, unless a serious reason presents itself when my fertility naturally returns as the babies nurse less and less, we will not be using NFP to “delay” or “achieve” pregnancy. Just want to use it more for awareness.

We choose to go with the least amount of intervention possible during pregnancy, and will not use ultrasound imaging unless it is medically necessary. From what I understand, the margin of error for fetal size is quite large, and many women have been induced early based on faulty assumptions after an ultrasound was performed.

I predicted my due date based on when I felt I ovulated (symptoms) and had kept a record of my periods for 7 months before marriage. My date based on when I assumed I ovulated and the date based on the calendar were a week apart. The babies were born 2 days before my predicted date and 9 before the calendar date, so they were either 39 or 40 weeks!

Before you think I’m too crazy, we did have a homebirth midwife, and she went by the calendar. She also did basic prenatal care, and my healthy, full-term twins were nice sized and alert after birth, and have never even had a cold!!
OK, I see. Then forget the other stuff I mentioned. Probably too technical since you’re not using NFP to delay or plan.
 
The Billings Ovulation Method is the simplest and the most scientifically researched method out there. 99.5% effective at avoiding pregnancy.
Where do you get your information please?

By the way, Creighton is the only one that uses actual scientific observation method.
 
A couple follow-up questions:

Are there some home study resources for the methods mentioned on this thread?

Does anyone have any guesses/experience with when fertility may return with EBF?
 
Are there some home study resources for the methods mentioned on this thread?
This NFP brochure lists several home study options.

For what it’s worth, you’ll find that a lot of NFP users have strong method preferences (which we’ve already started to see a bit on this thread). Don’t let anyone discourage you. The truth is that all the modern methods will enable you to learn more about your cycle. The best method for you is the one you feel most comfortable with.
Does anyone have any guesses/experience with when fertility may return with EBF?
It’s going to vary a lot. I EBF my son (and continued breastfeeding him even after solids were introduced until he was over 2) and my periods resumed at 13 months. I think this was after we started to night wean him.
 
A couple follow-up questions:

Are there some home study resources for the methods mentioned on this thread?

Does anyone have any guesses/experience with when fertility may return with EBF?
I’ve used STM to plan my pregnancies and to help me space children (essentially avoiding…since I was unable to EBF). It was easy for me to learn and execute (charting, temping and checking mucus…even with an infant to take care of).

I took the home study course through Couple to Couple league. If your cycles are easy to interpret and predictable…I highly recommend this home course. If your cycles aren’t easy to interpret and you have other underlying medical conditions (PCOS or Endo) then your better off finding a NaPro doctor and learning Creighton.

As for EBFing…I’ve read that you are really only guaranteed about 6 months of no fertility. If you’ve gone beyond 6 months with no signs…if you’ve gone past this deadline with no signs of fertility…then who knows? In theory your body could keep going if you continue to follow the rules. People get their fertility back at varying lengths.
I’ve also read the older you are the longer it will take for your fertility to come back if you EBF.
 
If you just want to track your cycles, Billings is easy to learn, I learned it on my own.

They have a website, www.woomb.org. You can read the manual, and If you want you can learn with an online teacher for a fee.
 
The replies are so informative! Thank you! :)\

This NFP brochure lists several home study options.

For what it’s worth, you’ll find that a lot of NFP users have strong method preferences (which we’ve already started to see a bit on this thread). Don’t let anyone discourage you. The truth is that all the modern methods will enable you to learn more about your cycle. The best method for you is the one you feel most comfortable with.

Thanks for the brochure! Very good to have.

It’s going to vary a lot. I EBF my son (and continued breastfeeding him even after solids were introduced until he was over 2) and my periods resumed at 13 months. I think this was after we started to night wean him.

Based on the books, your results sound average (the 13 months). I wonder how nursing 2 babies may or may not change those results. I really hope to be able to breastfeed my boys as long as you, but I am not planning to tandem nurse twins and another baby (or two), so an early return of fertility would lead to me having to either choose to wean early in pregnancy or possibly even choose to use NFP to avoid. Congratulations on being able to provide your son with all those good things, physical and emotional, for so long. How beautiful!
 
I’ve used STM to plan my pregnancies and to help me space children (essentially avoiding…since I was unable to EBF). It was easy for me to learn and execute (charting, temping and checking mucus…even with an infant to take care of).

I took the home study course through Couple to Couple league. If your cycles are easy to interpret and predictable…I highly recommend this home course. If your cycles aren’t easy to interpret and you have other underlying medical conditions (PCOS or Endo) then your better off finding a NaPro doctor and learning Creighton.

Your posts are always so informative, and even though I don’t know you, I know you are a wonderful mom.

My cycles were very easy to predict, but I’ve heard that cycles can change after you’ve had a baby. I am so thankful I don’t have any medical conditions, especially after reading various posts on CAF.

As for EBFing…I’ve read that you are really only guaranteed about 6 months of no fertility. If you’ve gone beyond 6 months with no signs…if you’ve gone past this deadline with no signs of fertility…then who knows? In theory your body could keep going if you continue to follow the rules. People get their fertility back at varying lengths.
I’ve also read the older you are the longer it will take for your fertility to come back if you EBF

With LAM (not quite as hands on as EBF), 6 months seems to be the rule. It seems more like a year for most EBFers, but there are women who have fertility return even before 6 months because we’re all different.
 
If you just want to track your cycles, Billings is easy to learn, I learned it on my own.

They have a website, www.woomb.org. You can read the manual, and If you want you can learn with an online teacher for a fee.

Great site! Right now, this is the NFP I have most interest in.

I noticed (and I bet all forms of NFP make this assumption) that this site said a woman ovulates on just one day. I know that I conceived my boys on different days. I had a lot of mucous for an extended time, and I also had implantation bleeding several days apart. Incidentally, my husband and I were having sex daily, as we were just married. :o

I wonder how hyper-ovulation might affect achieving or avoiding pregnancy with NFP. I certainly don’t consider it a problem, and would welcome more twins (some people might think I’m crazy!). Twins are a lot of work and I was really tired during pregnancy, but nothing compares to two little babies sitting and laughing hysterically at each other! 😃 Or 2 babies holding hands while nursing! 🙂
 
If you just want to track your cycles, Billings is easy to learn, I learned it on my own.

They have a website, www.woomb.org. You can read the manual, and If you want you can learn with an online teacher for a fee.

Great site! Right now, this is the NFP I have most interest in.

I noticed (and I bet all forms of NFP make this assumption) that this site said a woman ovulates on just one day. I know that I conceived my boys on different days. I had a lot of mucous for an extended time, and I also had implantation bleeding several days apart. Incidentally, my husband and I were having sex daily, as we were just married. :o

I wonder how hyper-ovulation might affect achieving or avoiding pregnancy with NFP. I certainly don’t consider it a problem, and would welcome more twins (some people might think I’m crazy!). Twins are a lot of work and I was really tired during pregnancy, but nothing compares to two little babies sitting and laughing hysterically at each other! 😃 Or 2 babies holding hands while nursing! 🙂
I haven’t ever seen anything that would indicate ovulation occurring more than 24 hours apart in any of the NFP sources I’ve seen… Implantation bleeding, according to my OB can actually happen a few times, as the baby grows, if the uterus is sensitive.

Not to be graphic confusing cervical mucus with seminal fluid is easy, so that might have been what you were noticing.
 
The American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology published an abstract stating that mucus only methods are more effective at identifying the actual fertility window than basal body temperature methods. The Billings Ovulation Method is the original mucus only method that has been researched and perfected for 60 years. Read the abstract here! ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12468181/

Most people using Billings to achieve pregnancy achieve that first cycle they try. There are stats somewhere just can’t think where right now.
 
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