Sin and confession outside the bounds of Earth

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For sure. That zero gravity thing is going to be a tough nut to crack. Assuming we colonize the moon first, there’ll be 1/6 earth gravity. A plus, is that it’s only a couple of days jaunt, so clergy could be shuttled to and from, from time to time. Mars will be a lot tougher, and after that all bets are off.
 
Electromagnetic communications technology can only be real time when both parties to a conversation are near the earth. The moon is a second or two away, Mars is several minutes away, sometimes as long as 15 minutes, and really far away planets like Pluto (yes, I know Pluto is not supposed to be a planet) are several light hours away.

When (or if) people finally get around to travelling to the nearest star, at best a single round of conversation will take at least 8 years. The trip itself would probably have to be by sleeper ship and would last centuries.

No, radio is not a possible solution except when both parties are very near earth.
 
Of course radio would hardly be the only method to communicate. Hologram?
 
Everything currently known to man is limited to the speed of light. Radio waves are light waves at the invisible part of the spectrum. Light itself can convey information.

So something faster is needed.

What is the speed of prayer? I surmise that it is instantaneous. From our mind to God’s mind. The ultimate highspeed encrypted link. So an act of perfect contrition would have to suffice in the event of interstellar mortal sin. Could the rules be relaxed some for space travelers? Nearly perfect contrition? I know. . . Almost doesn’t count. . . Only in horseshoes and hand grenades.
 
So, if you have a secure link to transmit your confession from near Alpha Centauri to a priest on earth, and upon receiving it, he immediately transmits absolution, you receive it perhaps four years later. The question is: when you hear the words of absolution, are the sins you confessed forgiven, or does the absolution also apply to the sins you have committed in the intervening four years, which were not confessed?
 
That’s a tough one. Ideally the sins would be forgiven (or not forgiven) proactively, because God lives outside of time, God knows the sins you confessed, and the contrition you had (or didn’t have) before the transmission had time to travel the four light years to the priest on the earth, and before he replied back with his absolution. The physical sending and receiving part is more of a formality. It’s possible the absolution could even arrive after the death of the penitent. I probably mangled this reasoning. It’s starting to make my head hurt.
 
Do you have to hear the absolution, or are you absolved the minute the priest says the words?
 
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Do you have to hear the absolution, or are you absolved the minute the priest says the words?
An interesting point. If absolution was immediate upon the priests saying it, the absolution would immediately apply even though you would not hear it for several years. On the other hand, if the absolution applied only when you heard it, it might apply to the sins one commited in the intervening years since they preceded the absolution but not the confession.
 
As time away from earth increases due to protracted mission lengths, the need for reconciliation increases, yet it would be impossible under the current structure to be able to confess in person to a priest, and receive absolution.
Why would you presume that “it would be impossible”? Sure, if you’re only on a five-year mission, it wouldn’t be outside the realm of thought that there wouldn’t be recourse to the sacraments. That already happens / has happened here on earth. But, if you’re thinking of a decades-long mission, why would we presume that there wouldn’t be a chaplain as part of the team?
 
Why would you presume that “it would be impossible”?
Yeah, having a chaplain would pretty much solve everything. Does anything like that exist at the present? How would that work? Take a priest and make him an astronaut, or take an astronaut and make him a priest? It seems they have a hard enough time filling the need for terrestrial priests as it is.
 
Once we master the science of using wormholes and space warps for travel it may become a moot point.
 
Does anything like that exist at the present? How would that work? Take a priest and make him an astronaut, or take an astronaut and make him a priest?
There are chaplain programs in every branch of the U.S. Armed Forces. (Technically, chaplains to the Marines are U.S. Navy chaplains.) Once we get to the point of long-term space missions, it’s not inconceivable that there would be chaplain(s) on those missions.
Take a priest and make him an astronaut, or take an astronaut and make him a priest?
Usually, men who are already priests apply for chaplaincy, although I’ve heard of guys who finish their military service, and then enter seminary, with the hopes of their bishop assigning them to military chaplaincy.
 
We should send Father Mike Schmitz because he is in good shape lol
 
There’s nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). In keeping with the space theme of this thread, I’m reminded of the urban legend about how Nasa spent millions on designing a pen which would work in zero gravity only to find a solution already existed called a pencil!

When it comes to confessing over skype, messenger, what’s app, viber or similar it’s really no different to asking why we can’t confess by letter. Granted more than a but of theological ink has been spilt on this subject but, for what it’s worth, I think it comes down to two essential features of the sacrament. The first is presence - being in the presence of Christ (in the person of the priest) but also of another human being - we are, after all, made for one another. The second is speaking sins aloud, effectively for our own benefit in that we acknowledge to ourselves (as well as the priest and to God) what we have done, owning it and accepting our responsibility for it as part of the path to healing.

In much the same way, the “what if there are no priests around” problem has come up before. In Japan, “hidden Christians” maintained the faith for almost 200 years even in the absence of priests and sacraments (except baptism and marriage). Likewise, the Church in Korea owes its founding to lay missionaries rather than clergy. Similar examples can be found in many other parts of the world where, during its early years, the Church in those places was sustained by the laity in between (at times) infrequent visits by priests. Even today, there are some isolated places which may only be visited by a priest once every few months at best.

So in many ways the Church has seen it all before and, as long as we remember what’s gone before, we can deal with whatever might be still to come in the future.
 
Interesting to note that in the thread no one mentioned the white Elephant in the room. Which is that if man kind achieved the capacity of interplanetary space travel the Church would make sure that souls that embarked in this endevours would provide “missionaries” ready for the task.
What is different from sending missionaries to the far off lands of years past when travel between countries took month and even years, as one astute poster posited above.
Astronaut Priests! yep it’s coming. Probably a Jesuit as they are more technically inclined than other “branches” followed by Franciscans, etc.
A brave new world. And probably we will be the “Aliens” in another planet.
 
I was thinking about this but not brave enough to mention it, as it opens up so many other difficult areas, such as what would be the criteria for determining whether a newly discovered humanoid alien race was, human enough to be saved? What I mean is, whether or not they have a soul.

I was watching an episode of Fr. Spitzer’s Universe a couple of nights ago, and he was adamant that Neanderthal man lacked a soul. I never really considered this before, and I do know that Neanderthal mixed with Homo Sapien, and that certain contemporary people carry Neanderthal DNA.

Basically I came away with the understanding that Neanderthal man, while being a close relative of contemporary man, was not made in the image of God.

Goodness. I just went back and looked at that Fr. Spitzer episode.


There is a segment in it where he explains this scenario about alien life, and the critetia I was struggling with above. It begins at about 11:45.
 
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Radio is as fast as you can go. It doesn’t matter whether or not you use radio or light, the speed (of light) is the same. And if gravity is ever mastered, that won’t be any faster than the speed of light. Holograms are a manner of presenting data, not something fundamentally different from the medium they travel in. You can have light holograms, microwave holograms (with a lot less definition) or even sound holograms. None of that will make a difference in the speed of transmission.
 
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Do you envision a day when the church will address this by allowing a person away from earth to confess via remote hookup, such as is done in some medical applications, such as with a psychologist or psychiatrist? Does the church have, or is working have a contingency plan to address this in the future. Already man has spent more than a year in orbit. A Mars mission would take at least a year.
No. I think the Church & Catholics would just have to treat it like they did when Catholics were living secret lives in ancient Japan and other places where priests were outlawed and put to death.

Also, once permanent settlements are establish, I’m sure you will have the Apostolic Vicariate of Mars or Apostolic Vicariate of the Moon, etc.

And I’m sure you will have eventually a “Space Station Catholic Chapel” just like there are Chapels in Antarctica
 
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