Sin and Salvation - Protestant view

[Contarini]

Sherlock:

Yes, but other Protestants think differently and think that you’re wrong. Since all Protestants are relying on the Bible alone, by what authority do you say that they’re wrong, and you’re right? Just curious.

Why does one need an authority to proclaim the truth as one sees it?

Why does the existence of differing views call into question the truth of my view?

Let’s argue it on the evidence. I’m OK with the fact that people look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. That’s what it means to be a fallible person living in a confusing, broken world. To me there are far more serious things in the world than sincere doctrinal error.

Edwin

 

[Sherlock]

Contarini:

Why does one need an authority to proclaim the truth as one sees it?

Because Truth is ultimately a Somebody. Your opinion about that
Truth may be interesting, but it might be very wrong—and since you are your brother’s keeper, then proclaiming the truth carries with it a tremendous responsibility. If you are a relativist (inherent in Protestantism) then of course you may not have a problem with that. I do.

Contarini:

Why does the existence of differing views call into question the truth of my view?

Differing views on any subject does not affect the truth of that subject—truth exists regardless of the differing views. However, if all things are true, then nothing is true.

Contarini:

Let’s argue it on the evidence. I’m OK with the fact that people look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. That’s what it means to be a fallible person living in a confusing, broken world. To me there are far more serious things in the world than sincere doctrinal error.

Maybe those “serious things” could be addressed by doctrinal truth.

 

[ncgolf]

Contarini:

Why does one need an authority to proclaim the truth as one sees it?

Why does the existence of differing views call into question the truth of my view?

Let’s argue it on the evidence. I’m OK with the fact that people look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. That’s what it means to be a fallible person living in a confusing, broken world. To me there are far more serious things in the world than sincere doctrinal error.

Edwin

Depends who the authority is. If one proclaims the truth as he sees it and is wrong then it is not the truth but an opinion or worse the person is a liar.

Really there can be only 1 truth. Anything else is less than the truth. To find the truth one must go to where truth was and is. Since Jesus is Truth incarnate one must follow him. If Christ is Truth then He cannot lead you astray. So what did Christ create to lead us in truth. He did not leave us to our own devices … he left us something physical and real.

Even the founding father didnt leave us to interpret the Constitution on our own. We may have an opinion but there are mechanisms for the resolution of Constitutional questions.

 

[BennyD]

Sherlock:

Yes, but other Protestants think differently and think that you’re wrong. Since all Protestants are relying on the Bible alone, by what authority do you say that they’re wrong, and you’re right? Just curious.

isn’t it mostly calvinists and people that really aren’t christians that believe it?

keep up the discussion this is a good forum!!!

 

[BennyD]

jdc1084:

I’m a protestant, and this is what I’ve always been taught. Once we become Christians and are in that personal relationship with God, we strive to avoid sin in order to please Him. However, we are human and our sinful nature will get the best of us sometimes. Even a bad thought that pops into your head for a moment is a sin after all. It’d be impossible to be perfect. As a child will disappoint his parents here on earth from time to time, it’s like Javelin said, we’re not going to be disowned for messing up. Although you want to try very hard not to mess up

If someone claims to be a Christian but lives in the ways of the world and doesn’t care to change, then they’re probably not what they say they are. You know a tree by its fruit. I always like the phrase “If saved, always saved” in place of “Once saved always saved.”

that’s exactly what i believe. thank you for saying it in better words for me!

 

[BennyD]

ncgolf:

Is repentence after the initial conversion needed? In the Catholic Church repentance is a cornerstone … it is how we reestablish our connection with Christ because during life we damage it by sin. Believe me … repenting before the Lord is not easy but after … you feel like a new man. I know many, if not all, Protestant/Fundamentalist find this practice unneeded but for us it is a Sacrament … it keeps us alive.

you definately feel like a new man. It’s great knowing God has forgiven me for past things. By the way I am a protestant and i find it very very needed

 

[NonDenom]

Is repentence after the initial conversion needed? In the Catholic Church repentance is a cornerstone … it is how we reestablish our connection with Christ because during life we damage it by sin. Believe me … repenting before the Lord is not easy but after … you feel like a new man. I know many, if not all, Protestant/Fundamentalist find this practice unneeded but for us it is a Sacrament … it keeps us alive.

Hi
I find the statement that Prots think that repentence is unneeded is a very uneducated statement. I cannot think of anyone I know that openly feels that way.
In Him and Him Only

 

[ncgolf]

NonDenom:

Hi
I find the statement that Prots think that repentence is unneeded is a very uneducated statement. I cannot think of anyone I know that openly feels that way.
In Him and Him Only

I stand by my generalization. In reading many threads about salvation and sin the views of non-Catholic Christians is all over the map. In general when discussing this subject with non-Catholics I cannot tell where a person stands on this issue based on denomination. It seems highly personal. I am not familiar with what each denomination believe and certainly will not hazard a guess to what people believe who are non-denominational.

Do you believe there is a standard belief as to the effects of sin on salvation and what one can do about it in the non-Catholic Christian community? Or does disagreement on the subject exist?

 

[BennyD]

Sherlock:

Jesus gave that authority only to His Apostles and their successors.

I thought only God could forgive sins other than bad things done to you.

 

[AquinasXVI]

BennyD:

I thought only God could forgive sins other than bad things done to you.

Yes. Only God. Then Christ did the unthinkable…he deputized the Apostles: Whose sins you forgive are forgiven. What you bind on earth is bound in heaven…

in XT.