Sin & Hell

[joyfulseraph]

“The souls of those who die in the condition of personal grievous sin enter hell.”

I read this and thought, how can this be? Didn’t Jesus come to die for our sins? And what is “personal grievous sin” and how does a person get out of that condition? repent? Isn’t all sin no matter how small or big, still sin? (meaning its bad whether or not its something as small as a lie to as big as killing someone)

 

[Caesar517]

Personal grevious sin is mortal sin (mortal sin is more seroius than venial sin). You can get out of the state of mortal sin by the sacrament of reconciliation.

Jesus did die for our sins, but we still have to choose to follow him. When we sin, we are turning our back on Him. The sacrament of reconciliation gives us a chance to reverse this.

 

[ERose]

Personal grevious sin is mortal sin (mortal sin is more seroius than venial sin). You can get out of the state of mortal sin by the sacrament of reconciliation.

Jesus did die for our sins, but we still have to choose to follow him. When we sin, we are turning our back on Him. The sacrament of reconciliation gives us a chance to reverse this.

Really just adding to your state Caesar. Actually it starts a Baptism if you have not received a legitimate baptism. For Baptism is the washing away of all sin (original, current sins, & all punishment due to sin). After this Sacrament is done then Reconciliation must be used as the method of eliminating the stain of sin bot Mortal and Venial.

 

[EasterJoy]

Consider also what the Church teaches concerning suicide:

CCC 2283: We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

In other words, the teachings of the Church on mortal sin are not intended so that we might allow ourselves the license of imagining that we know who in particular is and is not saved. It is to warn us of the extremity of the peril posed when we freely consent to actions which we know to be so seriously wrong that they are incompatible with life in God.

If we learn the truth that the Church teaches, we will neither be tempted towards ignorant despair nor left in ignorant presumption.

 

[Stella_Matutina]

Consider also what the Church teaches concerning suicide:

CCC 2283: We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

In other words, the teachings of the Church on mortal sin are not intended so that we might allow ourselves the license of imagining that we know who in particular is and is not saved. It is to warn us of the extremity of the peril posed when we freely consent to actions which we know to be so seriously wrong that they are incompatible with life in God.

If we learn the truth that the Church teaches, we will neither be tempted towards ignorant despair nor left in ignorant presumption.

Amen to this post.

My own :twocents: . if someone is in a condition of personal grievous sin, they have already made their choice. This may seem cruel to send people to Hell, but God does not send them there. They send themselves. No wonder Jesus was in so much agony the night before his death, knowing that despite the great debt he would pay, not all would accept it.

 

[teachccd]

“The souls of those who die in the condition of personal grievous sin enter hell.”

Isn’t all sin no matter how small or big, still sin? (meaning its bad whether or not its something as small as a lie to as big as killing someone)

A lie is as big an offense as murder?? Or as minor…???

 

[EasterJoy]

Amen to this post.

My own :twocents: . if someone is in a condition of personal grievous sin, they have already made their choice. This may seem cruel to send people to Hell, but God does not send them there. They send themselves. No wonder Jesus was in so much agony the night before his death, knowing that despite the great debt he would pay, not all would accept it.

I think it helps to remember that Hell doesn’t need to be thought of as a place. It is, rather, the condition of torment that necessarily results when one has rejected life with God. Within eternity, this is necessarily a total torment of being, including physical being.

If Hell is a place, then I have to believe that it is, by the mercy of God, that portion of the universe where the absence of God might be the least intensely felt. In eternity, however, I would expect that the degree to which that loss may be mitigated is about zero.

May God save all souls from Hell, especially those of us most in need of his mercy.

 

[Tollers]

I’ve often thought that the language used for “sin” and “Hell” is too hard on God. To me, it looks more like we condemn ourselves to Hell, rather than being condemned by God. The judgement, especially when considering the purgatorial state, seems more like God deciding that everything that can be done to save you has been done.

It would seem to me that it’s as if a person reaches such a low spiritual state that the faintest sense of God’s grace is more painful to them than would be the grim dreariness of the Godless state of existance called Hell. In a way, Hell could be more of a sad and grim final mercy, rather than purely punishment?

 

[StCsDavid]

Full knowledge and full consent are sometimes not as black and white as we might think. Addiction, a poorly formed or misinformed conscience, and a host of other variables come into play. It’s easy to say this or that sin is a one way ticket to Hell, but that may not always be the case. We simply don’t know for sure.

We do know that the sacrament of reconciliation is the means of receiving the sanctifying grace that we need to get back into communion with Our Lord. That’s why we should frequent confession often.

If God is love, it’s hard to imagine Him as juridical as He is sometimes portrayed. If one is turned even a little bit towards Him at the moment of death, one can hope that His mercy is big enough to bring that soul home for that is what He truly seems to desire for each of His children.

I am of the opinion that Hell is an existence devoid of God. In earthly terms, I would say it’s a magnified version of the seedier sides of Amsterdam where people struggle to find happiness amidst the drugs, sex, and other vices, but are never fully satisfied. In Hell, perhaps not even the vices bring pleasure. Who knows? I hope I never find out first hand.

 

[joyfulseraph]

A lie is as big an offense as murder?? Or as minor…???

Sin is sin. If you lie, its a sin. If you kill someone, its a sin. I don’t think God says to the one who lies “that’s okay…it’s not as big as killing someone” I think he looks at a murderer, and a lier in the same way. Both have sinned. It’s still bad. What I mean is, isn’t ALL sin mortal sin, no matter how big or small?

Sinning is something we cannot escape from. We are human. If we sin sometimes, I don’t think It’s a “turning away from God” even though sin is not God’s way but sinning is not rejecting him. So why would committing a mortal sin send you to hell right away if you believe in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and all of that. Jesus came to die to forgive us of our sins. We make mistakes…

I don’t know how else to explain what I mean.

 

[thistle]

Sin is sin. If you lie, its a sin. If you kill someone, its a sin. I don’t think God says to the one who lies “that’s okay…it’s not as big as killing someone” I think he looks at a murderer, and a lier in the same way. Both have sinned. It’s still bad. What I mean is, isn’t ALL sin mortal sin, no matter how big or small?

Sinning is something we cannot escape from. We are human. If we sin sometimes, I don’t think It’s a “turning away from God” even though sin is not God’s way but sinning is not rejecting him. So why would committing a mortal sin send you to hell right away if you believe in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and all of that. Jesus came to die to forgive us of our sins. We make mistakes…

I don’t know how else to explain what I mean.

Not all sin is the same. Some are mortal (deadly) and some are not mortal (not deadly). It tells you this in Scripture.

1 John 5:16-17

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray.

17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.