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Jaguar
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Are men more inherently sinful than women?
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antimon
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I think no
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Reepicheep
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Why would we be?
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Jaguar
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I guess because of our hormones and sex drive. I think we are more prone to agressive behavior and to sexual sins.
Also, men dominate the prison population.
This is something that I always wondered about, and would like to hear more opinions.
Also, men dominate the prison population.
This is something that I always wondered about, and would like to hear more opinions.
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puzzleannie
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are wives allowed to answer?
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CCM08
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Are men more sinful? No. Are men and women prone to different sins? To an extent.
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gardenswithkids
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To the original question I think the answer is no. I’m going to generalize, but I think there are some general differences between the sexes that our culture denies.
Men may be more prone to certain sins than women, but women have our weaknesses as well. Male hormones and sex drive may provoke more sins of lust, but women aren’t exempt from lust. Women commonly stuggle with sins of vanity–such as spending too much time, money and energy on outward appearances, wanting others to think us pretty and desirable. The desire to be desired can feed off of men’s lust and lead women to lust too.
Women also tend to be more verbal. Female aggression generally takes the form of gossip and “cat-fights”, staying mostly verbal in nature. Malicious gossip can “kill” someone’s ruputation, but society doesn’t prosecute that in the criminal courts. Male aggression tends to be more physical, and men who don’t learn to control their physical aggression may end up in jail.
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anthony022071
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I do think men are more sinful. Men seem to be more conscious of when they are doing wrong. Women seem more relativistic, more unconscious of when they are behaving badly,as if standards for male behavior don’t really apply to them.They are more able to live “under the law” and are less accountable. It is usually easier to tell when a man is lying to you than when a woman is. Women seem to be more morally adaptable,so that they themselves are not even aware of when they are being sincere or insincere,or the difference thereof. For example,when a woman convinces herself she loves a wealthy man for who he is,and marries him,but if he were to lose his wealth,the love bottoms out and she is disillussioned.
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CCM08
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Being unaware, by choice or not, does not remove moral responsiblity. I’ve never encountered a woman that married for money who wasn’t entirely aware of her reasons, and I’ve known a lot of women that married for money.
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anthony022071
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There must certainly be women who are otherwise decent,who marry men who happen to be wealthy,thinking that it is really love.
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shadow_fire
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Well according to the bible it would easily be woman because the bible demands much more of woman due to its sexist nature. Heres a few versus of what I’m talking about.
So the bible says if a woman doesn’t scream for help during being raped she is sinful and should be stoned to death.
Theres many many other examples of restrictions the bible wishes to place on woman. Don’t get me wrong however I do not believe in this at all but due to being on a catholic forum I figure I mine as well bring a biblical perspective to things.
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* Deuteronomy 22:23-27 - If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you. But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.- Genesis 3:16 - “To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.””
- 1 Timothy 2:11-12 – “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
Theres many many other examples of restrictions the bible wishes to place on woman. Don’t get me wrong however I do not believe in this at all but due to being on a catholic forum I figure I mine as well bring a biblical perspective to things.
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CCM08
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God isn’t a Roman legalist, and he’s not running a court room.
1.Then it would be illogical to assume for her that money is a factor.
2.I’ll say it again, when people are marrying for money they are fully aware of their motives. I really tend to doubt that a 20 something marrying a 50 year old is even trying to kid herself about the motives. Most men in these arrangments are equally aware of the how’s and why’s of the situation. I personally tend to think of it less as a marriage and more as a long term prostitution contract, but it’s really none of my affair.
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CCM08
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Not in the least. What Moses is saying is that in a populated area if a woman is caught fornicating she can’t fall back on a plea of rape to avoid getting the same punishment as the man. The anicent Israelites were living in tents, they didn’t have good stone buildings that would silence a rape, so if one attempted such a thing the woman could easily call for help and get it. In the country where no one was around if the woman made a plea of rape she was given the benefit of the doubt, which is expectionally enlighted for 5,000 years ago.
Again, you simply don’t understand the context of the story. It has nothing to do with your assertation, but instead simply denotes that as a result of Eve being the first to transgress the social order of the fallen world would be in that fashion.
St. Paul also said there is no room for distinction between male and female, Jew or Gentile. The problem is the silly nature of nitpicking every social instruction that St. Paul wrote to the first century Church and thinking it has to be applied to the letter today. Much the same as the Judaizers of the first century wanted to nitpick and force the Gentile believers to follow Mosaic law.
So let me get this straight, it’s okay that the Bible restricts men but it’s not okay for Scripture to restrict women? What a world the modern feminist must live in.
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lenhan
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Why would you believe this to be the case? I don’t mean to be rude, but how about something to backup this empty hypothesis?
Sin is an innate property of human beings because of original sin, so both men and women sin, but one cannot determine absolutely simply by the sex of the person [or any other metric] whether one is more sinful since only God can completely look at a person’s heart and soul. By what method can you determine this and if there is no method of certainty then how can one logically claim this to be true?
Perhaps the tendencies towards sin in men and women are different, but this may be dependent upon factors such as the environment and culture. Maybe one can argue based upon the differences between men and women with respect to how it affects their actions, but I fail to see how this can affect their potential for sin enough to make such a claim based solely upon one fact.
The “pseudo-feminists” of today would like you to believe that only men are evil (they will make false claims on how the world would be better without men) yet they themselves want to believe women are equal to men in every single aspect.
Sin is an innate property of human beings because of original sin, so both men and women sin, but one cannot determine absolutely simply by the sex of the person [or any other metric] whether one is more sinful since only God can completely look at a person’s heart and soul. By what method can you determine this and if there is no method of certainty then how can one logically claim this to be true?
Perhaps the tendencies towards sin in men and women are different, but this may be dependent upon factors such as the environment and culture. Maybe one can argue based upon the differences between men and women with respect to how it affects their actions, but I fail to see how this can affect their potential for sin enough to make such a claim based solely upon one fact.
The “pseudo-feminists” of today would like you to believe that only men are evil (they will make false claims on how the world would be better without men) yet they themselves want to believe women are equal to men in every single aspect.
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shadow_fire
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I never said its ok the bible restricts men and not woman. And the bible is suppose to be “the word of god” and the word of god is suppose to be perfect. Yet there is MANY sexist verses in the bible. Such as how woman should have no authority over men and should not speak in church.
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deb1
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women in the ancient world-especially Greece- were not expected to learn at all. in Greece married women could remain in their husband’s house and not be allowed to leave.
the fact that Paul says that women are to learn at all was a giant step forward. the women of that particular area were not used to such freedom and often disrupted meetings. that is why he instructs them to be silent.
it does make sense that we not talk up during a service doesn’t it.
my shift key is out , so i apologize for the lack of capitals.
my spell check does correct for some capitals.
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deb1
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i agree and the single most sexist verse in found in 1 peter 3 verse 7. peter says that if a husband doesn’t honor his wife his prayers will be hindered from being heard in heaven.
or what about the verse that states that a husband needs to love his wife as christ loved the church…wait didn’t christ give up his life for the church, so does that mean that men must be willing to die for their wives.
none of this has anything to do with the first poster’s topic. as it is very easy to start new threads, why not simply start a thread on the verses that you find sexist.
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shadow_fire
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I agree but I also believe this sort of refutes the correctness of the bible especially when you throw in these bible verses.women in the ancient world-especially Greece- were not expected to learn at all. in Greece married women could remain in their husband’s house and not be allowed to leave.
the fact that Paul says that women are to learn at all was a giant step forward. the women of that particular area were not used to such freedom and often disrupted meetings. that is why he instructs them to be silent.
it does make sense that we not talk up during a service doesn’t it.
my shift key is out , so i apologize for the lack of capitals.
Psalm 19:7:
The law of the Lord is perfect.
Isaiah 40 verse 8
The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever.
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CCM08
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You certainly implied it, Fruedian slip as it were.
The truely funny thing is you are attempting to apply the beliefs of evangelical protestants on the entire Christian world even though compared to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches evangelical protestantism is a tiny sect within Christianity. Yet if I pulled up some quote by some asinine radical feminist you’d be going off your rocker with how unfair that was.
I think you mean “There are.” At any rate, your interpretation of Scripture is your own and I place no value on it. The vast majority of the world’s Christians do not believe every social instruction St. Paul wrote to the early Church applies in letter today. As for St. Paul’s “keep your women quite in Church” remark he was referring to socializing during the Liturgy. That one does still apply.
Feminism is a sexist ideology, so again all your comments come down to is “the Bible is bad because it doesn’t promote my form of sexism.”
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deb1
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well, i would stay that we are still expected to be silent during the priest’s homily, so this certainly hasn’t changed. of course the poster immediately above me has a point. catholics are not bible only.
as to the original poster’s question. i do not think that men are more sinful then women. we might struggle as a whole with different issues but we still struggle.
it also helps to remember that we are all individuals. the sin of lust is something that is not shared by men alone. some women have as much trouble remaining pure as their christian brothers.
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