Sin that does not lead to death

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All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. -John 5:17
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What sin is John talking about in this passage?

I’ve been thought that all sin leads to death. I’m confused.
 
There is mortal sin and there is venial sin. Mortal sins severe our relationship with God. Catholics teach that one who is in mortal sin needs to go to confession to repair this relationship… or should I say, “to allow God to repair this relationship”,

Venial sins damage our relationship with God, but do not severe it. Over time, though, venial sins continue to weaken this relationship making it easier for us to fall into mortal sin. Think of venial sins as a pack of small dogs trying to overcome a large lion. One of those dogs can’t do it, but eventually there can be enough dogs to conquer the lion.

BTW, this passage is John is precisely one of the proofs Catholics use to show that some sins are worse than others.
Our venial sins don’t require confession to restore our relationship with God, but we should confess them regardless.
 
NotWorthy said:
There is mortal sin and there is venial sin. Mortal sins severe our relationship with God. Catholics teach that one who is in mortal sin needs to go to confession to repair this relationship… or should I say, “to allow God to repair this relationship”,

Venial sins damage our relationship with God, but do not severe it. Over time, though, venial sins continue to weaken this relationship making it easier for us to fall into mortal sin. Think of venial sins as a pack of small dogs trying to overcome a large lion. One of those dogs can’t do it, but eventually there can be enough dogs to conquer the lion.

BTW, this passage is John is precisely one of the proofs Catholics use to show that some sins are worse than others.
Our venial sins don’t require confession to restore our relationship with God, but we should confess them regardless.
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Nice explanation 👍 Couldn’t of said it any better myself.
 
Cristian_B said:
What sin is John talking about in this passage?

I’ve been thought that all sin leads to death. I’m confused.
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Sin that leads to death: Mortal sin
Deadly = mortal…
Death = el muerte

Some basic thoughts from a protestant perspective:
thisgospel.com/writings/Law-DeadlySins.htm

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm
1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: "Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like.** I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God**."127
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So… if I understand it correctly a mortal sin would be consciously murdering someone, while a venial sin would be thinking lustfully at a woman, for example; it doesn’t severely hurt my relationship with God at the moment, but in time, there are consequences. Am I correct?
 
Cristian_B said:
So… if I understand it correctly a mortal sin would be consciously murdering someone, while a venial sin would be thinking lustfully at a woman, for example; it doesn’t severely hurt my relationship with God at the moment, but in time, there are consequences. Am I correct?
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Hi, Cristian -

To my understanding, Jesus says, “…if a man lusts after a woman in his heart, he has the same as committed adultery with her.” That’s as close a quote as I can give, without looking it up in the Holy Bible.

Isn’t adultery a mortal sin? Going to Apologetics thread, for the answer to this one.

Don
 
Cristian_B said:
So… if I understand it correctly a mortal sin would be consciously murdering someone, while a venial sin would be thinking lustfully at a woman, for example; it doesn’t severely hurt my relationship with God at the moment, but in time, there are consequences. Am I correct?
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Not really.
Jesus said that lust is equivalent to adultery, and adulterous thoughts come from the heart.
MATTHEW 5:27-28

"Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.’
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Christ appeals to man’s heart.**
ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/jp2tb23.htm
 
All sins can be forgiven but blaspheme against the holy spirit. That applies to folks like me I guess.
 
I see. Thanks for your replies. Would you give me an example of venial sin?
 
Cristian_B said:
I see. Thanks for your replies. Would you give me an example of venial sin?
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the catechism says “To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.” -CCC 2352

so for something to be mortal it must 1. be a grave matter 2. one must know it is grave, and 3. it must be done delibaritely
 
Cristian_B said:
What sin is John talking about in this passage?

I’ve been thought that all sin leads to death. I’m confused.
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You would need to read the verses starting at 1John5:13 to get the idea of what John intend for us to understand. John was talking about believers in Jesus has the confidence that although we sin, it does not lead to death since we place our faith in His son to save us and therefore have the promise of eternal life. For person who does not believe in Christ Jesus, his sin will lead to death.

Verse 17 - '“all wrong doing is sin and there is a sin that does not lead to death”
therefore are reference on believers sin will not lead to death since we have Christ in us and have been born again.

Verse 18 state that anyone born of God (people that place their trust in God are born again as Jesus stated in John3:1-15) does not continue to sin. It did not say that we can no longer sin, but sin less and less if we are truly children of God. Believers are susceptible to sin while we are still here on this fallen world.

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1John5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.
16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. **17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. **
18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
 
area52 said:
You would need to read the verses starting at 1John5:13 to get the idea of what John intend for us to understand. John was talking about believers in Jesus has the confidence that although we sin, it does not lead to death since we place our faith in His son to save us and therefore have the promise of eternal life. For person who does not believe in Christ Jesus, his sin will lead to death.

Verse 17 - '“all wrong doing is sin and there is a sin that does not lead to death”
therefore are reference on believers sin will not lead to death since we have Christ in us and have been born again.

Verse 18 state that anyone born of God (people that place their trust in God are born again as Jesus stated in John3:1-15) does not continue to sin. It did not say that we can no longer sin, but sin less and less if we are truly children of God. Believers are susceptible to sin while we are still here on this fallen world.
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Huh? It doesn’t refer to the sinner, but the sin that is deadly. To me, this teaching is deadly.

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area52 said:
1John5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.
16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. **17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. **
18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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It says there is “SIN” that does not lead to death. Not that there are believers that have sins that do not lead to death.

And the “that you may know” refers to the umpteen “if” statements that John has produced throughout this epistle. “If” you do this and “if” you do that, then you may have assurance.
 
NotWorthy said:
Huh? It doesn’t refer to the sinner, but the sin that is deadly. To me, this teaching is deadly.
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Some protestant denominations take this out of context and believe that they no longer sin once they are “saved.” Therefore there is no need for confession, and no need for reconciliation. You are right in calling this a deadly teaching.
 
NotWorthy said:
Huh? It doesn’t refer to the sinner, but the sin that is deadly. To me, this teaching is deadly.

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It says there is “SIN” that does not lead to death. Not that there are believers that have sins that do not lead to death.

And the “that you may know” refers to the umpteen “if” statements that John has produced throughout this epistle. “If” you do this and “if” you do that, then you may have assurance.
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Can we agree that ‘all’ sin is forgivable… Because if you trust in Jesus, your sin’s are already had forgiven when Jesus died on the cross, therefore you will have life (1john5:13). However, if you do not believe in Jesus, like the athiest, their sins can not be forgiven (since they do not believe in the saving grace of Jesus) therefore this sin will lead to death.

Who do you think that John was talking to as you read 1John5:13-20. Are the audience believers or non-believers in Jesus?
 
area52 said:
Can we agree that ‘all’ sin is forgivable…
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Doesn’t Jesus claim there is one sin that is unforgivable? Rejection of the Holy Spirit?
area52 said:
Because if you trust in Jesus, your sin’s are already had forgiven when Jesus died on the cross, therefore you will have life (1john5:13).
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No, this is not true. Jesus’ death does not automatically forgive all my sins past and future. If this is what you are saying, this is dangerous doctrine.

Jesus’ sacrifice does opens the door for all salvation. Because of His Sacrifice, all of our past sins can be forgiven at our Baptism (including Original Sin). Because of His Sacrifice, we can ask for His Forgiveness when commit a sin after our baptism, we have to ask for this Forgiveness. Its not a carte blanche thing.
area52 said:
However, if you do not believe in Jesus, like the athiest, their sins can not be forgiven (since they do not believe in the saving grace of Jesus) therefore this sin will lead to death.
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But that’s not what the quote says. Its says some sin is not forgiveable. Not some sins committed by some atheist is not forgiveable.
area52 said:
Who do you think that John was talking to as you read 1 John5:13-20. Are the audience believers or non-believers in Jesus?
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The audience is believers. John seems to be combatting those in the community who doubt in Jesus’ Divinity.
 
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