Sin to deny sexual relations?

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I am a 40ish mother. I have never experienced an orgasm and have very little interest in sex. This has been a problem in my marriage, as my husband’s drive is significantly higher than mine.

During a recent discussion he said that it was sinful to deny sexual relations to a spouse without a good reason. Is that true? I have never heard that. Is my inability to get pleasure from sex a good enough reason to deny him sexual relations?
 
You should not deny your husband since it is an act of giving yourself totally.
 
When you marry, you and your husband become one and you are no longer sovereign over your body nor he over his. St. Paul does tell us in Scripture we are not to withhold relations from our spouse-- except by *mutual consent *and for a time of prayer. The Chuch counsels similarly through the teachings on marriage and the sixth commandment.

What I suggest is twofold. First, talk to your priest for guidance in your marriage and how you can prayerfully work together to communicate on this issue. While withholding sexual relations can be a sinful act, you both need some help discerning in this area.

If he’s wanting relations every day and you are OK with a time or two a week-- then you aren’t “withholding” and he may need to readjust his expectations. OTOH, if by significantly higher you mean he wants it a couple of times per month and you not at all… then I’d say he’s not being unreasonable and you may need to adjust. In between there, it’s a gray area between “withholding” and the natural rhythms of marriage and family (sometimes you are just tired!)

So, really counsel with a priest or spiritual director is needed.

Secondly, talk to your doctor about your physical situation, and if you have any suspicion that you may have some emotional hang-ups that counseling could help with then seek it out.

Hopefully your husband is trying to assist you in receiving pleasure in the marital act. He might also benefit from some clinical advice on the subject.

Just because you are older (and DH and I are also in our 40s so by “older” I don’t mean “old”) doesn’t mean you cannot learn together how to help your situation improve.
 
rhetorical question: Do you just find it not to be pleasurable or do you find it unpleasurable. I don’t want to know the answer but want to set the table for further comments. I do not enjoy opera but if my wife wants to go I will. That is part of the give and take of marriage. On the other hand if the event is displeasureable, painful, etc. you have a just cause of some extent. If the latter is the case I concur with the advice of seeking help to work through the issue. If it is a matter of not being “fun” I would also recomend seeking some advice. There are lots of resources available to learn about how to increase the pleasure of the act.
 
I am a 40ish mother. I have never experienced an orgasm and have very little interest in sex. This has been a problem in my marriage, as my husband’s drive is significantly higher than mine.

During a recent discussion he said that it was sinful to deny sexual relations to a spouse without a good reason. Is that true? I have never heard that. Is my inability to get pleasure from sex a good enough reason to deny him sexual relations?
It’s sinful to deny a reasonable request for sexual relations from a spouse without a just reason. That’s a matter of discernment. You could seek counseling with a priest to discern if what occurs in your marriage is acceptable. Both spouses have a responsiblility to be charitable and loving with requests for and postponements of the marital act.

You might want to get checked out by a doctor to see if there is something medical that can be helped. You might want to seek some counseling to see if something can be done there.
You owe it to both your own health and the health of your marriage.
 
If he’s wanting relations every day and you are OK with a time or two a week-- then you aren’t “withholding” and he may need to readjust his expectations. OTOH, if by significantly higher you mean he wants it a couple of times per month and you not at all… then I’d say he’s not being unreasonable and you may need to adjust. In between there, it’s a gray area between “withholding” and the natural rhythms of marriage and family (sometimes you are just tired!)
It’s sinful to deny a reasonable request for sexual relations from a spouse without a just reason. That’s a matter of discernment.
It sounds like there really isn’t a rule here. Both 1ke and Seatuck suggest that the question is whether he is being “reasonable” in his requests. If he is being reasonable in his requests then I must submit or I am sinning by withholding. If, however, he is being unreasonable in his requests then he is sinning by requesting too much. That is, there isn’t a recommended monthly allowance of sex in a marriage. Unless the denial is complete (i.e., zero times per month), there is only a shade of gray involved.

Who decides whether the request is reasonable? A person will always think their own requests are reasonable and anyone who disagrees is unreasonable, right?

I have read the catechism, and it does not even touch upon this issue that I could find.
 
I am a 40ish mother. I have never experienced an orgasm and have very little interest in sex. This has been a problem in my marriage, as my husband’s drive is significantly higher than mine.

During a recent discussion he said that it was sinful to deny sexual relations to a spouse without a good reason. Is that true? I have never heard that. Is my inability to get pleasure from sex a good enough reason to deny him sexual relations?
I’m sorry, but are you suggesting that denying your husband sex, because you do not feel like sex is a sin? If you do not want to have sex, then you say no. Having dishonest sex, ie pretending you want to make love when you don’t THAT is the sin. How is he supposed to make this joining better, if he thinks it’s all okay. He’s fine, you are not…you MUST be honest about your joinings.

Never, ever have sex unless you want to. Even if it takes years for you to become sexual enabled and aware, any hint of force will kill it for you.

If you do not ejoy sex, what effort have you made to change this? Is there any understanding of why you do not enjoy it?

These are very intimate questions, and I am gobsmacked at the responses that suggest that god wants you to pretend you enjoy sex, because god wants you to have sex. God is not a monster.
 
You should not deny your husband since it is an act of giving yourself totally.
This is a view I find abhorrant and revolting.

It means a woman should give her body to her husband, wether or not her free will is involved.

You claim a woman MUST give herself WILLINGly.

That is a contradiction in terms and a complete and utter lack of respect for female needs.

This is why so many woman have rejected religion.
 
I am a 40ish mother. I have never experienced an orgasm and have very little interest in sex. This has been a problem in my marriage, as my husband’s drive is significantly higher than mine.

During a recent discussion he said that it was sinful to deny sexual relations to a spouse without a good reason. Is that true? I have never heard that. Is my inability to get pleasure from sex a good enough reason to deny him sexual relations?
If a man has strayed then the woman could be within her rights, if he hasn’t strayed, then he might be tempted to.
 
You should not deny your husband since it is an act of giving yourself totally.
The word GIVING is central here. It sounds as if your husband only TAKES pleasure from you in sex, rather than GIVING back too. He needs to work on this. I think it’s reasonable that if he’s not going to give to you, you are under no obligation to give back either. All the same, it’s better to work towards a positive outcome than to both become closed to self-giving.
 
It sounds like there really isn’t a rule here. Both 1ke and Seatuck suggest that the question is whether he is being “reasonable” in his requests. If he is being reasonable in his requests then I must submit or I am sinning by withholding. If, however, he is being unreasonable in his requests then he is sinning by requesting too much. That is, there isn’t a recommended monthly allowance of sex in a marriage. Unless the denial is complete (i.e., zero times per month), there is only a shade of gray involved.
One must not use the suggestions Seatuck and I gave as a way to withhold sex from their husband. Sexual relations are a normal part of the married life. It is the renewal of the marriage covenant, and the husband and wife-- by virtue of the exclusivity of sex in the marriage-- are not to deny one another.

Yes, one must use reason and common sense along with a lot of communication between each other. If I have the flu, my husband would be nuts to ask me to have sexual relations. He would not do that to me. But, if I’m not ill-- just not particularly in the mood-- I would *never *deny him.
Who decides whether the request is reasonable?
The couple together through prayer and sacrifice. And, if there are mental or physical components, the couple together with a doctor, therapist, and/or priest.
A person will always think their own requests are reasonable and anyone who disagrees is unreasonable, right?
Not true. Through communication, we can explore the other person’s view and come to an empathetic response to their situation.
I have read the catechism, and it does not even touch upon this issue that I could find.
I’ve alreay related the biblical reference, but I didn’t post it:

*1 Corinthians 7: The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife,and likewise the wife toward her husband. A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife. Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack
of self-control. *

The Catechism is not a comprehensive guide to every moral issue and every nuance of the faith. It is a summary of the teachings of the Church on faith and morals.

The section on Marriage in the Catechism says this:

1644 The love of the spouses requires, of its very nature, the unity and indissolubility of the spouses’ community of persons, which embraces their entire life: “so they are no longer two, but one flesh.” They “are called to grow continually in their communion through day-to-day fidelity to their marriage promise of total mutual self-giving.”

It is referring to Familiaris Consortio, which says this:

Consequently, sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is by no means something purely biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and a woman commit themselves totally to one another until death. The total physical self-giving would be a lie if it were not the sign and fruit of a total personal self-giving, in which the whole person, including the temporal dimension, is present: if the person were to withhold something or reserve the possibility of deciding otherwise in the future, by this very fact he or she would not be giving totally.

Also, Casti Connubii says this:

*19. The second blessing of matrimony which We said was mentioned by St. Augustine, is the blessing of conjugal honor which consists in the mutual fidelity of the spouses in fulfilling the marriage contract, so that what belongs to one of the parties by reason of this contract sanctioned by divine law, may not be denied to him or permitted to any third person; nor may there be conceded to one of the parties anything which, being contrary to the rights and laws of God and entirely opposed to matrimonial faith, can never be conceded.
  1. By this same love it is necessary that all the other rights and duties of the marriage state be regulated as the words of the Apostle: “Let the husband render the debt to the wife, and the wife also in like manner to the husband,” express not only a law of justice but of charity*
Again, I strongly suggest that you talk to your doctor, and you both talk to your priest and a competent Catholic counselor.
 
This is a view I find abhorrant and revolting.

It means a woman should give her body to her husband, wether or not her free will is involved.
She gave her free consent at the time she married her spouse. Marriage is an exclusive sexual relationship. Therefore, neither spouse can refuse relations.
You claim a woman MUST give herself WILLINGly.

That is a contradiction in terms and a complete and utter lack of respect for female needs.
It is not a contradiction in terms. It is the marriage covenant that each freely made when they exchanged consent. The two become one, and each is no longer their own but are given to the other.

There is no lack of respect for “female needs”. Her sexual issues certainly need to be addressed. Withholding sex is not the solution.
This is why so many woman have rejected religion.
A statement not supported by any facts.
 
The word GIVING is central here. It sounds as if your husband only TAKES pleasure from you in sex, rather than GIVING back too. He needs to work on this.
There are no facts presented by the OP that would indicate this. The OP’s inability to climax may be physical in nature or psychological or it could be technique-- but we don’t know that b/c the OP hasn’t shared those types of details. Nor does she need to. Communication is needed here, as well as some exploration with a doctor and/or counselor.

But, you are making a very large leap to say that the husband is “taking” and not “giving” or is somehow in the wrong.
I think it’s reasonable that if he’s not going to give to you, you are under no obligation to give back either.
This directly contradicts Catholic teaching on the matter, and is bad advice.

The sexual act in marriage is not a “what’s in it for me” exercise. It is mutual donation, and giving of self to the other. Really, that is regardless of what one may or may not get out of it.
 
I’m sorry, but are you suggesting that denying your husband sex, because you do not feel like sex is a sin? If you do not want to have sex, then you say no. Having dishonest sex, ie pretending you want to make love when you don’t THAT is the sin. How is he supposed to make this joining better, if he thinks it’s all okay. He’s fine, you are not…you MUST be honest about your joinings.

Never, ever have sex unless you want to. Even if it takes years for you to become sexual enabled and aware, any hint of force will kill it for you.

If you do not ejoy sex, what effort have you made to change this? Is there any understanding of why you do not enjoy it?

These are very intimate questions, and I am gobsmacked at the responses that suggest that god wants you to pretend you enjoy sex, because god wants you to have sex. God is not a monster.
Dameedna,

I say this with charity and do not mean to offend you. However, on this topic you are incorrect. Now, the OP can follow your advice or she may follow the Church. The Church is VERY clear on this matter. I do not expect that you should take my word or the words or those of the other posters here in the forums for it; instead go speak to your own parish priest. I make the same request of the OP… speak to your priest. This is a rather private subject and the question has been answered given the information provided. Shedding additional information may not be a good idea in a public forum. As Catholics, there are many areas where we are called to submit to the Church. I know that for myself I have done so on several occasions. Why? Because the Church I belong to is not called The Church of Tietjen. I am not the Pope. I do not have the authority to choose what to submit to and what to forsake. Neither, however, do you.
 
I think that the greater sin is your husband’s in that he has not been sufficiently generous in love-making to bring you to orgasm. A husband who is enjoying sex without ensuring that his wife have her legitimate enjoyment is committing a grave sin against the sacrament of matrimony.
I don’t know how well you and your spouse communicate on such private and sensitive issues, but the assistance of a mental health professional would not be unreasonable. See about getting counseling for yourself on this problem and then see about getting your husband involved in joint counseling.]

Matthew
 
I have to agree with some of the other posters in that it is the teaching of the Church that is is a sin for either the husband or wife to deny relations if one reasonably initiates. If one has the flu, it would be unreasonable for their spouse to request sex and therefore not a sin for the flu-sufferer to decline. If one simply doesn’t feel like it and the other does feel like it, I think the one who is in the mood gets his/her way, at least that is what the Church says. The one not in the mood goes along to get along.
 
Each member of the mariage has an obligation to the other. How would a woman feel if her husband decided to stop going to work because he didn’t feel like going? Yes the man should make every effort to please the woman but the woman also has an obligation to work with her husband to help him learn how to improve his performance. There is also an abundance of material describing how to make relations more pleasureable for both parties. However much of this material is frowned upon by the Church.
 
Each member of the mariage has an obligation to the other. How would a woman feel if her husband decided to stop going to work because he didn’t feel like going? Yes the man should make every effort to please the woman but the woman also has an obligation to work with her husband to help him learn how to improve his performance. There is also an abundance of material describing how to make relations more pleasureable for both parties. However much of this material is frowned upon by the Church.
I agree with everything you said except that last line.

The Church does NOT frown upon married people improving their enjoyment of the marriage act. It is supportive of “marriage manuals” as long as they are not pornographic, or encourage behavior contrary to Church teachings.

But in terms of different positions, longer/different foreplay, and even stimulation of the wife to climax before or after intercourse the Church is supportive. Check out some of Christopher West’s work on the Theology of the Body of JP II.

All the Church requires is that the act be loving and self-giving, not demeaning to either partner and the man climaxes where he’s supposed to.

God Bless
 
One further thought - a man communicates with his wife through lovemaking. It is a special language. It won’t help a relationship tp deny a form of communication.
 
I am a 40ish mother. I have never experienced an orgasm and have very little interest in sex. This has been a problem in my marriage, as my husband’s drive is significantly higher than mine.

During a recent discussion he said that it was sinful to deny sexual relations to a spouse without a good reason. Is that true? I have never heard that. Is my inability to get pleasure from sex a good enough reason to deny him sexual relations?
Well, I don’t want to get into a bunch of cut and paste wars, so I’ll come back to the original post and “start over” sort of.

I can understand the relationship you describe. And generally, one partner always has a higher “drive” than the other. And all women do not see sex as enjoyable or “necessary”. I don’t know that there is “official sin” in denying your husband. The issue may be why you would deny him. There are good and not so good reasons.

We are called to love one another. And even if one does not enjoy doing something itself, if one loves the one requesting it, they will do it for love. This is a reciprical relationship. You do things for your husband and he does things for you. More over, you each contribute to the oneness of a married couple. A marriage may have some less than pleasant times where this is not always happening. When sex is seen as just an act (by either partner) and not an act of love (by both partners)… well, there is good reason to be concerned. Maybe you don’t feel loved. Maybe he does not. I don’t know and I’m not attempting to judge, here.

I really understand, now, what sex, love, and God are about and how the the three interrelate. I strongly urge you and your husband to read The Good News About Sex and Marriage and discuss each other’s needs with this addtional information.
 
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