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[Pro-Life_Teen]

If I’m not mistaken [and if I am, apologies here] I heard that the Eastern Rite Catholics may be allowed to use contraceptives, in certain situations, and that divorce is also “allowed” without a decree of nullity [again, if I’m incorrect, apologies.] Now, the Latin Rite has strict rules about that, what is a Latin Rite Catholic to do should they, say, convert to an Eastern Rite due to marriage or such. They saw some of this as sinful before, but allowed in some cases here.

 

[Chaldean_Rite]

If I’m not mistaken [and if I am, apologies here] I heard that the Eastern Rite Catholics may be allowed to use contraceptives, in certain situations, and that divorce is also “allowed” without a decree of nullity [again, if I’m incorrect, apologies.] Now, the Latin Rite has strict rules about that, what is a Latin Rite Catholic to do should they, say, convert to an Eastern Rite due to marriage or such. They saw some of this as sinful before, but allowed in some cases here.

If you are given an annulment, no marriage has taken place.

on Contraception:
catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0002.html

 

[Corki]

If I’m not mistaken [and if I am, apologies here] I heard that the Eastern Rite Catholics may be allowed to use contraceptives, in certain situations, and that divorce is also “allowed” without a decree of nullity [again, if I’m incorrect, apologies.] Now, the Latin Rite has strict rules about that, what is a Latin Rite Catholic to do should they, say, convert to an Eastern Rite due to marriage or such. They saw some of this as sinful before, but allowed in some cases here.

I might also be mistaken but my understanding is that while that might be true of the Orthodox, the Eastern Catholic Churches do not see contraception as permissable nor allow second marriages.

 

[Pro-Life_Teen]

I might also be mistaken but my understanding is that while that might be true of the Orthodox, the Eastern Catholic Churches do not see contraception as permissable nor allow second marriages.

This could be my mistake, then. Oops

 

[Aramis]

This could be my mistake, then. Oops

There are some Eastern Catholics who ty to justify contraception by “It’s the way the Orthodox do it…”

Then again, there are RC priests who quietly tell people they may.

In both cases, they are the exceptions, not the norm.

 

[8eofilos]

Not true! No Church allows contraception and stop speculating. We all know that Jesus said this as for the annulment…
“Those united by God man should not separate.” Annulment?
The only reason for leaving your spouce should be adultury as Jesus says.

 

[Aramis]

Not true! No Church allows contraception and stop speculating. We all know that Jesus said this as for the annulment…
“Those united by God man should not separate.” Annulment?
The only reason for leaving your spouce should be adultury as Jesus says.

Brother, go read the OCA website in detail.

oca.org/DOCmarriage.asp?SID=12&ID=19

restricts, but does not preclude, contraception. Essentially to two forms allowed: prevention of ovulation, and barriers to conception.

oca.org/DOCencyclical.asp?SID=12&ID=4 (specifically item F: Divorce and Remarriage. A process not dissimilar to anullment.)

 

[8eofilos]

Brother, go read the OCA website in detail.

oca.org/DOCmarriage.asp?SID=12&ID=19

restricts, but does not preclude, contraception. Essentially to two forms allowed: prevention of ovulation, and barriers to conception.

oca.org/DOCencyclical.asp?SID=12&ID=4 (specifically item F: Divorce and Remarriage. A process not dissimilar to anullment.)

You are not showing me anything here! I know all this. But It all comes to that Jesus forgives and we allow the remarriage. As for contraception it doesn’t clearly say use or not use because I don’t think back in the Days of St basil or the prophets people were using contraceptives. The thing that is trying to be prevented is abortion. So our leaders say to seek council daily from our priests. and as you read in the article you gave me :

“Orthodox husbands and wives must discuss the prevention of conception in the light of the circumstances of their own personal lives, having in mind always the normal relationship between the divinely sanctified love of marriage and the begetting of children. Conception control of any sort motivated by selfishness or lack of trust in God’s providential care certainly cannot be condoned.”

If someones has herpes or a disease or the time is not actually right, to use it…But who are we to know if the time is right? Are we God? Don’t we trust in God? So the use of it so that we can have sex daily is not appropriate since it is motivated by selfishness to please our desires. Isn’t it that what it is saying? “Motivated by selfishness”? I believe so!

 

[Ghosty]

8eofilos: You just said that no Church allows contraception, and now you’re saying that of course they do allow it?

As for the difference between contraception and abortion in St. Basil’s time, they were well aware of the difference between contraception and abortion; they were two different procedures and methods. Both were prohibited in the Church; it is the Orthodox who have changed this practice.

Peace and God bless!

 

[8eofilos]

8eofilos: You just said that no Church allows contraception, and now you’re saying that of course they do allow it?

As for the difference between contraception and abortion in St. Basil’s time, they were well aware of the difference between contraception and abortion; they were two different procedures and methods. Both were prohibited in the Church; it is the Orthodox who have changed this practice.

Peace and God bless!

Ghosty God bless you too! It sounds at first that I am saying the opposite but I am not.

“If someones has herpes or a disease or the time is not actually right, to use it…But who are we to know if the time is right? Are we God? Don’t we trust in God? So the use of it so that we can have sex daily is not appropriate since it is motivated by selfishness to please our desires. Isn’t it that what it is saying? “Motivated by selfishness”? I believe so!”
That is what I say…Now you tell me, is it possible a man and a woman to want to have sex without any self motivation? Isn’t pleasure what they are looking for? Understand my point? It is impossible to be having sex without desire of pleasure when not trying to conceive.
I like your posts also and know that you have much knowledge in the History of the Churches. But my point is that we focus on Human theories when the Bible is the best source for answers. And so far I see the Orthodoxy in doctrine to be correct. The Creed is our symbol of faith and I don’t see anything incorrect in it, because the Bible confirms everything. Rules and Canons are made in order to keep the Christians as close as possible to the Faith. An this is done I believe in Catholic also.

 

[NancyCNM]

The short answer for Catholics is:

Both the Latin Rite and the Eastern Rite have the same “rules”.

No artificial contraception (including sterilization), and you must have a gravely serious reason to avoid conception if you are using natural family planning.

No re-marriage after divorce unless the previous marriage has been annulled.

I am fairly certain that contraception is “allowed” by the Orthodox, but I don’t know about the marriage issue.

Nancy

 

[bpbasilphx]

**
I am fairly certain that contraception is “allowed” by the Orthodox, but I don’t know about the marriage issue. **

**Some Orthodox theologians say it’s to be decided by the couple themselves after much prayer and soul-searching, but others (especially who observe the Old Calendar) condemn contraception.

After the release of Humanae vitae, Patriarch Alexis I of Moscow was asked about the Orthodox teaching on the matter, and he said, “The priests have been instructed to preach the holiness of matrimony, the blessing of children and large families, and to stay out of the bedroom.”

In Orthodoxy, the breakdown of the marriage is considered the sin and evil. Under certain circumstances, remarriage is allowed.

However, no twice-married man (or one married to a divorcee or widow) can become a deacon or priest.**