The position being proposed subjects the Incarnation of Christ to the scriptures rather than the other way around. That is an extreme position in Christianity.
Whew ! it is a good thing SS came way after the Incarnation was settled ! ?!?
How about this , He did what He
said and *wrote *what He would do. We know what he said because he also wrote it.
I thought that kind of authenticates the Writ. That it’s written prophesies came about.
Above all else and before all else, the Word is a person
How do you know this ? I know how I know it ,or first heard of it.
The Body of Christ is real and exists substantially. Scripture is one with the God-breathed community which lives in Christ. Authority is part of that.
Amen Clem.
Or is authority not in fashion anymore.
Oh it is still in fashion, but fashion changes doesn’t it ? Certainly the reformation was a fashion change. And certainly not in a vacuum, for the previous fashion was not static either but evolved.
It’s almost a dirty word isn’t it?
Well, from what has been posted the only scatological comments were towards papal authority and cardinal proppings, and that by Luther and none of us here, I think.
Makes you all intolerant and extreme when you propose authority. As if some human beings would have gifts that others do not. We can’t have human beings with gifts!!!
Specifics limit that to papal authority (not a gift or office) for many of us. That office/gifting is not as specific as the rest (elders/presbyters/bishops,teachers,apostles etc) in scripture or tradition.
The poster refuses to even admit these basic observations.
Good point but I have not read all his stuff, nor have I read him denying nor affirming neutralities/universalisms. He is bulldoggedly making his point, not giving an inch, which can be proper. Serious business and the Lord uses all dispositions even tactics, mannersisms.
Further I think while you readily admit to special giftings and me too, we differ on how we are universally gifted, beyond CC view of priesthood of all believers. As GregoryI states, for one patriarch to say he is above the other patriarchs is robbing dignity that all of them have.
So to by giving too much to your office priesthood, you rob the lay priesthood. Again I said too much.
I see Taz as fighting for the the sanctity of what truly compromises “a believer in Christ”, of what it means to have the mind of Christ, to have divine revelation, to, as children, know all things by His unctions.
i think you can relate to this because of your use of such a sanctity in coming to believe that the CC is right for you, and for others.
I find rest and hope in* sometimes* stopping the “fight” and declaring universalisms. Perhaps his time has not yet come, for there is a time for everything.
In effect he denies his very self
, as he did not come into this world with a bible in his hand with full knowledge. He is refusing to accept that a faith tradition is always given to us by others, without exception, and the heart of it, which is witnessing the person of Christ, is not written down in a book. (Whether we share the same faith is irrelevant to the point, everyone who believes anything stands on the shoulders of others, aka tradition) Again, not sure he denies this and it may be an extreme caricature.
Denying the community from which our beliefs come
Again, not sure he has come to comment on that but is insistent in making point of Writ’s impact or role for that community.
leads us to absurd circular reasoning that always ends in one’s self as final authority. Which is why this thread goes round and round for days and days with nothing really said. It’s nothing but agendizing.
Well, there is the old political adage," when they start seeing it your way, when you have won them over, shutup."
So yes, there is some extremism going on
Not extremism, just obstinacy, even passion, for one’s point.
Blessings, and thanks for letting me air this out, for I see the struggle, the battle.
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