Since there are so many threads about homosexuality

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Dakota_Roberts said:
If you sufficiently remove stressors to the point where they no longer feel a need to self medicate or can find them better ways to reduce stress then they probably can drink in moderation again.
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Dakota,

Bless you my brother…as we think, so we believe and as we think and believe so we act.

Why do you drink. Because I am depressed. Because I am happy. Because I want to celebrate. Because I just got a raise. Because I am under stress. Because I have no stress any more and I want to enjoy the drink. People drink for so many reasons…not just one.

Is there a God? Of course not. The world just is. We live in a Universe that just happened. You live and you die. You treat people well and get through life trying to do the best you can.

You just talked to an Athiest

Is there a God? Yes and you have to read the Bible to know God. You have to get saved and you have to come to my Bible believing Church and after you believe in Jesus you have to get Baptized. You will never lose your salvation.

You just talked to a CredoBaptist Protestant

Is there a God? Yes and you must be baptized and then as part of our Church you will learn the Bible and understand that you may lose your salvation. You have to come to mens group and of course Wednesday service.

You just talked to a PedoBatpist Protestant

Is there a God? Yes. You will have to come to our Church, consider RCIA, think about joining and if you want to be part of the Church get baptized, confirmed and attend the sacraments.

You just talked to a Catholic

So when you get an answer about something from someone they are expressing their beliefs about what they have learned and that does not equate what is true for all in terms of the answer you get. As they think, so they believe and act…all you are getting is an answer from someone that has a learned paradigm. I know how to figure out paradigms but not at one person’s expense.
 
atheistgirl said:
Why should they have to?

Sarah x 🙂
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Putting that aside for a moment – you don’t see a problem with that argument?

“Gays and Lesbians should be allowed to marry to circumvent the laborious paperwork!”
 
Lokabrenna said:
Yes, but do you know how much of a hassle it is to file that many legal contracts? Especially when, say, if you were married, no one would question your right to visit your spouse in the hospital? A marriage contract eliminates a lot of legal busywork, as well as enabling a couple to make a public commitment to one another.
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So, people are supposed to be legally required to pretend a man is married to another man so that neither one has to fill out paperwork? You do realize that most of those benefits require husbands and wives to fill out paperwork as well don’t you? It’s such an inconvenience. I mean, you have to know your husband’s middle name…his birthday…his social security number…If you’re a man, you have to remember how your wife spelled her maiden name and what city she was born in. I honestly don’t know how I get through life with all the hassle.
 
atheistgirl said:
I quoted you directly and in context.

I quess it’s too hard for you not to keep this up in this thread where it’s not relevant, so I won’t be responding to anything you say further here.

Keep it for the other thread where it’s relevant.

Sarah x 🙂
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Sarah,

I have difficulty with lots of things. For you, others and lurkers know this…NLP presupposition #9…

“You cannot Not communicate”

coachingleaders.emotional-climate.com/nlp-presuppositions-9-you-cannot-not-communicate/

In other words failure to respond to my post means that you are communicating. An axiom of that you cannot not communicate… is that you can choose to communicate effectively…

Do not respond to this post as it indicates that you are communicating as you cannot not communicate.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
As for gay couples having families-it depends on how you define family, doesn’t it? The thing about adoption is that being adopted is NEVER ideal. Being adopted by loving parents is making the best out of a bad situation, but ideally you would live with your biological parents.

So with homosexual adoption you’re not only not living with your biological parents, you’re not even living with a mother and father. That’s the reason I find homosexual adoption problematic.
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If I had not been adopted. I. Would. Have. Died. It’s that simple. My parents did not have the means to care for me. I find it absolutely appalling that you would DARE suggest that my adoptive parents, who have done NOTHING but love and care for me, are somehow less ideal than DYING! My adoptive parents ARE my real parents. They changed my dirty diapers. They cleaned up my vomit when I was sick. No, my mother didn’t give birth to me, but that’s not all that parenting is about! I have a friend whose (biological) parents don’t care about her, who call her “worthless” even though she works to support them. My other friend, the one who’s pregnant, her mother KICKED HER OUT OF THE HOUSE because she decided she didn’t like her fiancee (and she was drunk out of her mind at the time).

I would rather children were raised in a loving environment with two parents of the same sex than what my friends have gone through. NO ONE should grow up in an abusive household just because someone believes their parents have the right bits.
 
Lokabrenna said:
If I had not been adopted. I. Would. Have. Died. It’s that simple. My parents did not have the means to care for me. I find it absolutely appalling that you would DARE suggest that my adoptive parents, who have done NOTHING but love and care for me, are somehow less ideal than DYING!
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You could not possibly have misunderstood my post more.
 
If I had not been adopted. I. Would. Have. Died. It’s that simple. My parents did not have the means to care for me. I find it absolutely appalling that you would DARE suggest that my adoptive parents, who have done NOTHING but love and care for me, are somehow less ideal than DYING!
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You’re hysterical. Go calm down, learn to read for content, then maybe come back for more internet adventures, because you’re not accomplishing anything acting like this.
 
You could not possibly have misunderstood my post more.
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Indeed. And this wacko is supposed to answer all of our questions about homosexuality?

In the end, they’re always damaged, aren’t they? And then they wonder why we’re so skeptical it started before birth.
 
Reread what I said. Being raised by biological parents in a loving home is the IDEAL. Adoption by loving parents is the next best thing.

I’M the one who should be offended that you would DARE suggest that I would rather a child die than be adopted!

I would adopt a child one day if my wife couldn’t conceive, absolutely. I’d love to give them a loving home. But I’m not going to pretend that being sent to an orphanage because you can’t live in your regular home is better than growing up in the loving, stable household of your biological parents.

If you’re being sent to the orphanage BECAUSE your household wasn’t loving or stable, you’re making my point-it would be better if you didn’t have to be adopted at all. I’m glad you found such a wonderful adoptive family.
 
stewstew03 said:
Putting that aside for a moment – you don’t see a problem with that argument?

“Gays and Lesbians should be allowed to marry to circumvent the laborious paperwork!”
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That’s not the argument though, is it? That’s just one consequence of them not being allowed to marry.

Sarah x 🙂
 
atheistgirl said:
That’s not the argument though, is it? That’s just one consequence of them not being allowed to marry.

Sarah x 🙂
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But isn’t a very large part of the argument that marriage provides legal rights to people that they couldn’t otherwise get, and we’ve given an example of how they could get those rights without marriage?
 
CopticChristian said:
Sarah,

I have difficulty with lots of things. For you, others and lurkers know this…NLP presupposition #9…

“You cannot Not communicate”

coachingleaders.emotional-climate.com/nlp-presuppositions-9-you-cannot-not-communicate/

In other words failure to respond to my post means that you are communicating. An axiom of that you cannot not communicate… is that you can choose to communicate effectively…

Do not respond to this post as it indicates that you are communicating as you cannot not communicate.
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I have no idea what was so difficult about adhering to my request to stop this conversation here due to it’s irrelevance and continue it in the appropriate thread.

I won’t be responding to any further posts of yours on any thread, as I won’t be able to see them.

I hope that message communicated in a clear and charitable fashion.

Sarah x 🙂
 
Lokabrenna said:
…why not ask questions of an actual homosexual? 🙂 As long as they’re, you know, clean.

I wasn’t sure where to put this thread. It didn’t seem appropriate for the non-Catholic religions board (unless I was to change it to be about GLBT+ Pagans) or the Back Fence, so I’m sticking it here.
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Lokabrenna,

You are a Vanic Pagan…

I discovered that the Vikings were tolerant of Homosexuality…I found this…

fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/gayvik.asp

So is it fair to say that as a Vanic Pagan your beliefs stem from this thinking as I found in this link?

Is it also fair to say that Pagans in general are a diverse group and as I understand it within Vanic paganism there is diversity. Would you agree with this?
 
Marc_Anthony said:
But isn’t a very large part of the argument that marriage provides legal rights to people that they couldn’t otherwise get, and we’ve given an example of how they could get those rights without marriage?
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Leaving aside why someone should have to spend thousands of dollars on lawyers for rights that are conferred with a marriage licence that costs a few bucks, marriage is recognized the world over. Same sex unions are not. So spending thousands of dollars in legal fees to get contracts drawn up in one State (assuming you can in that State) means squat in another State.

Not so with marriage.

Sarah x 🙂
 
AnthonySorensen said:
Catholics have no problem with homosexuals. We have a problem with practicing homosexuals who try to act like it’s normal and should be accepted. Some of them even demand that everyone accept them.

There’s a huge difference.
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I’m aware of that and meant homosexual behavior and acceptance of this behavior, not same-sex attraction.
 
CopticChristian said:
Dakota,

Bless you my brother…as we think, so we believe and as we think and believe so we act.

Why do you drink. Because I am depressed. Because I am happy. Because I want to celebrate. Because I just got a raise. Because I am under stress. Because I have no stress any more and I want to enjoy the drink. People drink for so many reasons…not just one.

Is there a God? Of course not. The world just is. We live in a Universe that just happened. You live and you die. You treat people well and get through life trying to do the best you can.

You just talked to an Athiest

Is there a God? Yes and you have to read the Bible to know God. You have to get saved and you have to come to my Bible believing Church and after you believe in Jesus you have to get Baptized. You will never lose your salvation.

You just talked to a CredoBaptist Protestant

Is there a God? Yes and you must be baptized and then as part of our Church you will learn the Bible and understand that you may lose your salvation. You have to come to mens group and of course Wednesday service.

You just talked to a PedoBatpist Protestant

Is there a God? Yes. You will have to come to our Church, consider RCIA, think about joining and if you want to be part of the Church get baptized, confirmed and attend the sacraments.

You just talked to a Catholic

So when you get an answer about something from someone they are expressing their beliefs about what they have learned and that does not equate what is true for all in terms of the answer you get. As they think, so they believe and act…all you are getting is an answer from someone that has a learned paradigm. I know how to figure out paradigms but not at one person’s expense.
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I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.

I was talking about heavy drinking, what most people call alcoholism.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.

I was talking about heavy drinking, what most people call alcoholism.
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Dakota,

Your answers come from the person that has a belief system. That is the point…

You said this…
If you sufficiently remove stressors to the point where they no longer feel a need to self medicate or can find them better ways to reduce stress then they probably can drink in moderation again
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.

I am not a mind reader and you said “they”…you have clarified this to what most people call Alcoholism. This is an issue I have no interest in taking on in this thread as it will certainly go south.

Let’s just leave it at you had me at “heavy drinking”…Ok…🙂
 
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