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I think it all depends on why the person is single. For a good portion (if not majority), it is simply due to the fact that they have not found someone to marry yet … For some, they may be helping to care for parents or other family members…There are a large segment who are scared off by the divorce rate and/or having witnessed parents or other family members divorce. Others may have committment-phobia. Others may have deeper psychological problems.
And some of us recognise at an early age that marriage is not for us. And yes, some people consider us selfish but isn’t that better than making someone else unhappy. Agree we can all change but there are limits on how much we can change and what can be the effects on the others involved, especially children, if the change is too great to be made.

Also think it is interesting that the idea that marrying can be selfish is hardly ever brought up.
 
What I don’t understand is how if someone decides they don’t want to get married because they don’t think it will make them happy, some people criticize that person for being selfish (no one in specific on this board, I’m just speaking from my own experience in general). But if someone wants to get married because they think it will make them happier, that is not considered selfish. Both decisions are made based on what the person thinks will make them happier.
 
What I don’t understand is how if someone decides they don’t want to get married because they don’t think it will make them happy, some people criticize that person for being selfish (no one in specific on this board, I’m just speaking from my own experience in general). But if someone wants to get married because they think it will make them happier, that is not considered selfish. Both decisions are made based on what the person thinks will make them happier.
It’s always important to look for what is correct in anyone’s way of thinking. And I think there is some real basis for the distinction made between those who “don’t want to get married because they don’t think it will make them happy” and someone who “wants to get married because they think it will make them happier.”

Though in a sense the motivation is the same, there is still a difference between these two. What if we described the two situations in this way: some resolve to love because they think it will make them happier; others resolve not to love because they think in this way they will be happier, that love would not make them happy. Both decisions are made on the basis of what will make them happier, but isn’t there a big difference between the two cases?

I’m not saying that this is the reality of the motivation of all those who remain single by choice. But I would say that as long as it is purely negative, that is, as long as they are single simply because they don’t want to marry, and don’t positively intend to use the freedom offered by the single life to love God and their neighbor, they are not embracing the single life as a vocation, and are being selfish.

And yes, those who marry without intending to love their spouse through their marriage are also being selfish.

When someone doesn’t marry, and becomes a priest or religious, then people see that there is some other mode of love that they are devoting themselves to; if they don’t see this in another person who remains single, they may see him as selfish. Of course we cannot judge the heart, but if is true than the person remaining single isn’t giving themselves in love to any one, he or she is in fact selfish, and that appearance is correct.

Much more could be said about the question of happiness. Everyone seeks to be happy, and no one seeks to be unhappy. St. Augustine and many others have pointed this out many times. The difference is precisely in how we seek to attain that happiness: do we seek to attain it in God, through giving ourselves in love, or do we seek to attain it in a good lifestyle, through piling up things, time, etc., for ourselves?

In love with God
 
Dear CathPhilosopher,

I think one must be extremely careful and possibly avoid all together making judgments about people’s motivations…one can be way off on this as Jesus the Christ shows constantly throughout the New Testament…

I think it is wise to always know one’s limits and that a wise person acts within those limits…God gives us all talents and graces…and some of us for varying reasons sincerely believe that marriage is beyond our ability to handle…

Not only did I come from a complicated family situation where I spent a lot of time taking care of my mother and my father since I was a child, I also suffered from the debilitating chronic mental illness that runs in my family…I am only 58 years old but it is impossible for me to just go to my job, which is not generally a hard job and has regular office hours, take care of my home duties on the weekend and attend Mass on Sunday…I can not go out at night at all…if I do it totally wipes me out for several days if not even a week…I have had to cancel more social occasions than I can possible mention because of my health…indeed a previously married Catholic and the Catholic family she lives with cut me off entirely when I called early Christmas Eve morning to let them know that I was simply not well enough to attend Christmas Eve dinner with them…how selfish is that? Certainly I would have liked to join them on Christmas eve instead of eating alone but I was just too wiped out…

I think the small ways I serve God count just as much as someone who can take care of a large family (my goal when I was young was to marry and have twelve children and I would love to have lived this lifestyle but I think my health was just too much for it)…I pray constantly for all sorts of people…I give to the most needy through great organizations such as Catholic Relief Services…I try to always love and forgive even when people are not at all nice to me and mistreat me (have to get the priests to help me on this one) and I try firmly to obey the two greatest commandments “Thou shalt love the Lord with all thy heart and they neighbor as thyself”. Sometimes my sacrifices are very small like cleaning up after my neighbor’s dog who makes a mess in my yard and not fussing with her about it…buying a nice baby gift for the daughter of the family next door who chewed me out for no reason…anyway, I believe in the great power of prayer and one can make time for this always whether one is a religious or not…God listens to the prayers of all who call on him diligently and with faith and He only asks us to have faith as a grain of mustard seed when the going gets tough…so I hope you can see that God does appreciate small sacrifices, which are all some of us can do, and that these sacrifices make a big difference, whether others see it that way or not…

I give generously even though I have a very modest income…how is that selfish? I pray for people who misuse me and mistreat me…how is that selfish? I am sad when things go wrong for them…how is that selfish?

I hope that God is more merciful with you than you appear to be with some of your brothers and sisters and neighbors who are doing the best they can…
 
Dear CathPhilosopher,

I think one must be extremely careful and possibly avoid all together making judgments about people’s motivations.


I hope that God is more merciful with you than you appear to be with some of your brothers and sisters and neighbors who are doing the best they can…
Please. The very first point I made is that we need to try to understand where people are coming from. The feeling I get from the tone of your response is that you are responding to what you think I am saying, without reading carefully as to whether I actually say it. You seem to suggest that I am making judgments about people’s motivations. Please show me a single sentence in which I express a judgment about the motivation of any person or any class of people.

I say “the feeling I get” and “the tone of your response” because you don’t actually express any judgment about me. Probably you deliberately avoid doing so. But is it any better to insinuate that I made a rash (and false) judgment about people, rather than to say it outright? Reading your first and last sentence together, I feel just as badly as if you said “you have made a harsh judgment about your brothers and sisters, and I hope that God does not judge you so harshly.”

I don’t know your intention in responding the way you did, but I’m sure, and it is evident even in your response, that you desire truth and charity for everyone. Truth and charity requires that we try to understand people such as those mentioned by Bataar, who “criticize a person for being selfish”, that you and I try to understand each other, and so on.

Here are my exact words about motivation: “as long as it is purely negative, that is, as long as they are single simply because they don’t want to marry, and don’t positively intend to use the freedom offered by the single life to love God and their neighbor… they are being selfish.”

If we refrain from marrying because we “for varying reasons sincerely believe that marriage is beyond our ability to handle”, this is not a purely negative reason. It would be irresponsible and harmful to one’s potential spouse and family to get married if one is incapable of handling it. So this is not a negative reason for not marrying, but a positive one–e.g., because one appreciates the importance and value of family life, one doesn’t marry if one can’t handle it well.

My point concerned only where charity is more evident. You and I both know that eating a chocolate bar can be done out of charity, and that going out of one’s way to do something good for someone who offended you can also be done out of charity. We also know that charity is more evident in the latter case–even though a particular holy person might in fact eat the chocolate bar with a greater love than someone else did the so-called “charitable” deed.

This seems a silly example, and in a way it is. But I would say that in a similar manner charity is more immediately visible in the person who devotes his or her life to God as a priest or religious, than in the single person who does not. And people who criticize those who remain single are in some cases reacting to this difference in the visibility of charity. I think it’s important to understand this. We have to know where they are coming from. If we don’t, we may simply react to those people by accusing them of making rash judgments, and have no common ground for dialog with them.

I hope that I make my position clearer and more understandable than it seems to have been in my first post. I am sorry if I worded in a way that could lead to misunderstanding.

God bless you.
 
Dear Catholic Philosopher,

I wish the best for you and may God bless you. Perhaps, Pope John Paul the Great best expressed my thoughts on the will of God for everyone’s life:

“To be able to discover the actual will of the Lord in our lives always involves the following: a receptive listening to the Word of God and the Church, fervent and constant prayer, recourse to a wise spiritual guide, and a faithful discernment of the gifts and talents given by God, as well as the diverse social and historic situations in which one lives.”

With love,

rochesTer48
 
think one must be extremely careful and possibly avoid all together making judgments about people’s motivations…one can be way off on this as Jesus the Christ shows constantly throughout the New Testament…
I agree - we are not in the other persons skin and do not know what their motivation is. Even if they tell us what it is they may not express it clearly or we may not hear it properly.
I think it is wise to always know one’s limits and that a wise person acts within those limits…God gives us all talents and graces…and some of us for varying reasons sincerely believe that marriage is beyond our ability to handle.
Again I agree. Also there is a huge difference between something that stretches us and something that stresses us - the first is usually possible with effort the second may be beyond us. When we do not recognise and work within our limits we are not the only person who suffers. It is doing what we can do and doing it with the correct motivation that is important.
I have had to cancel more social occasions than I can possible mention because of my health…indeed a previously married Catholic and the Catholic family she lives with cut me off entirely when I called early Christmas Eve morning to let them know that I was simply not well enough to attend Christmas Eve dinner with them…how selfish is that? Certainly I would have liked to join them on Christmas eve instead of eating alone but I was just too wiped out…
A good example where doing the opposite would have been selfish. If you has gone maybe the dinner would have been disrupted because you had to be taken home, taken to hospital.
I think the small ways I serve God count just as much as someone who can take care of a large family ……… I pray constantly for all sorts of people…I give to the most needy…… I try to always love and forgive even when people are not at all nice to me and mistreat me (have to get the priests to help me on this one) and I try firmly to obey the two greatest commandments ……"
Seems to me you lead a very selfless life
I hope that God is more merciful with you than you appear to be with some of your brothers and sisters and neighbours who are doing the best they can…
This beings to mind the old saying about not judging until you have walked in someone else’s moccasins.
 
Dear Salonika,

Thank you so much for your great understanding and compassion.

With love,

rochesTer48
 
Dear Salonika,

Thank you so much for your great understanding and compassion.

With love,

rochesTer48
Dear rochesTer48

Thank you very much for your comment, I really appreciate it and the fact that you posted it.

I’ve had a recurring cold over the last month which knocked me about quite a bit and gave me some (minor) insight into what it must be like to be chronically sick and to always have to monitor what you can do without knocking yourself about.

This brought on another insight whether sometimes what people call selfishness is actually necessary self centredness or self care ie monitoring yourself so that you do not take on too much.

I know that self centredness gets a bad press sometimes but maybe its what some people need to do to be as well as they can and to be able to perform roles that help other people.

Please continue to take care of yourself - for others also benefit when you do.

Best wishes

Salonika
 
Thank you so much, Salonika. I will pray for your good health.

Love,

rochesTer48
 
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