Sins in heaven?

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If pride and covetousness is a sin, and if Lucifer was prideful and covetous in heaven, does that mean sins exist in heaven? How could it be if God said in Revelation that nothing impure will enter His Kingdom?
 
If pride and covetousness is a sin, and if Lucifer was prideful and covetous in heaven, does that mean sins exist in heaven? How could it be if God said in Revelation that nothing impure will enter His Kingdom?
We cannot know how it worked with Lucifer.

We do know that in the Heaven that human life can know, there can be no sin, except in maybe in the contents of our memories.

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If pride and covetousness is a sin, and if Lucifer was prideful and covetous in heaven, does that mean sins exist in heaven? How could it be if God said in Revelation that nothing impure will enter His Kingdom?
Lucifer was thrown out of heaven when he rebelled against God.
 
If pride and covetousness is a sin, and if Lucifer was prideful and covetous in heaven, does that mean sins exist in heaven? How could it be if God said in Revelation that nothing impure will enter His Kingdom?
Angels are created beings (as are we). They have not existed from all eternity - they were created at some point. Thus, the circumstances of their existence is subject to change (as are ours - we have an earthly existence, and a more permanent existence yet to come).

The Catholic Church formally teaches very little about angels. But all Catholic and Jewish theologians are of the unanimous opinion that angels were created in a state that lacked the Beatific Vision (an awareness of the true nature of God), because no intelligent creature could rebel against God if he were fully aware of God’s true nature (which would, in essence, deprive angels of free will, because the choice would be so flippin’ obvious as to render any other possible choice patently unacceptable).

We speak of angels as residing in “heaven” and retroactively apply that concept to angels who had not yet made a free-will decision to either submit to God or themselves. But, whatever “heaven” these “new” angels inhabited, it is not the same as envisioned today (where each inhabitant enjoys the Beatific Vision).
 
Oh, oh! I think I know this one!

The beatific vision - once you see God in Heaven you become perfect and can no longer sin. What I have heard is that it is believed that Lucifer did not yet see God, and therefore was not perfect, able to sin and rebel against God. Then once he rebeled, you may know how that story goes…
 
Angels are created beings (as are we). They have not existed from all eternity - they were created at some point. Thus, the circumstances of their existence is subject to change (as are ours - we have an earthly existence, and a more permanent existence yet to come).

The Catholic Church formally teaches very little about angels. But all Catholic and Jewish theologians are of the unanimous opinion that angels were created in a state that lacked the Beatific Vision (an awareness of the true nature of God), because no intelligent creature could rebel against God if he were fully aware of God’s true nature (which would, in essence, deprive angels of free will, because the choice would be so flippin’ obvious as to render any other possible choice patently unacceptable).

We speak of angels as residing in “heaven” and retroactively apply that concept to angels who had not yet made a free-will decision to either submit to God or themselves. But, whatever “heaven” these “new” angels inhabited, it is not the same as envisioned today (where each inhabitant enjoys the Beatific Vision).
Or better answered, this.
 
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