Sins of thought and words - mortal sins?

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if a person commits adultery in his or her heart, thinking and speaking of adultery without actually commiting a physical act, let’s say like a sexual phantasy, is that a mortal or venial sin?

must one confess every venial or is that optional, so to speak?

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if a person commits adultery in his or her heart, thinking and speaking of adultery without actually commiting a physical act, let’s say like a sexual phantasy, is that a mortal or venial sin?

must one confess every venial or is that optional, so to speak?

:confused:
My confessor says that sexual fantasizing is grave matter.
 
My confessor says that sexual fantasizing is grave matter.
Sexual fantasizing is a grave matter. Uncontrolled thoughts that may pop into ones mind is not. As long as one does not try and dwell or build upon that “uncontrolled” thought. Fantasizing is willingly and wanting to think of a sexual matter with someone. Again…Mortal sin.
 
Sexual fantasizing is a grave matter. …Mortal sin.
Oops! Not good. So, if it is mortal sin, does that mean that I have lost my salvation, that if I die this moment, since I have not been to confession, I go to hell? I’m not joking, I realize it’s a sin.
:eek:
 
Oops! Not good. So, if it is mortal sin, does that mean that I have lost my salvation, that if I die this moment, since I have not been to confession, I go to hell? I’m not joking, I realize it’s a sin.
:eek:
If you really did not know it was a grave sin then you did not commit a mortal sin. However, having asked the question here you now know it is and future impure thoughts, if you dwell on them, would be a mortal sin.

The answer to your second question is that anyone who dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin goes to Hell.
 
If you really did not know it was a grave sin then you did not commit a mortal sin. However, having asked the question here you now know it is and future impure thoughts, if you dwell on them, would be a mortal sin.

The answer to your second question is that anyone who dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin goes to Hell.
I knew it was a grave sin, and I did not want to do it. However, when passion overcomes one’s soul THEN he wants to do it and he does it. No excuse for that. Shame. However, the moment passion is satisfied and gone the one honestly repents.

“Anyone who dies in the state or UNREPENTED” or UNCONFESSED sin goes to Hell? If one repents but dies before he got the time to go confession, then what?
 
if a person commits adultery in his or her heart, thinking and speaking of adultery without actually commiting a physical act, let’s say like a sexual phantasy, is that a mortal or venial sin?

must one confess every venial or is that optional, so to speak?

:confused:
Thoughts and words can be mortal sins. In fact, they are probably the most common mortal sins. Whether one person’s specific sexual fantasies are mortal sins is a complicated question that cannot really be anwered by anyone here over the internet. You should talk to your confessor about this. If the thoughts are completely involuntary, its almost certainly not mortal. If not involuntary, but not totally voluntary - hard to say.

To me, and not everyone here will agree with this, the sexual thoughts are not as dangerous as some other thoughts. Thoughts of hate, arrogance, superiority, greed, obsession with power, etc, are more likely to drive charity and love from your heart and close your heart to God. But sexual thoughts, especially obsessive ones, can also do that.

Mortal and venial are useful but extremely rough and broad categories. The key to understanding the effect of a particular sin is to examine its impact on your relationship with God. This is not something that most people are well equipped to do, which is why we have tried to create categories instead. If this sin is driving you from God, leading to rejection of God and holiness in your life, its a grave matter for you. Sexual thoughts can do this by causing you to focus on things that you know are wrong. These thoughts can cause your to turn your mind from God to be away from His sight so that you can think about things you know He doesn’t want you to do.

God does not expect you to be perfect (although we should try). He does expect that we not deliberately move away from Him. If the thoughts you are referring to are doing that, you should work on stopping that behavior.

Habitual behavior cannot always be halted overnight. Just as it takes dedication and practice to develop the mental and physical habits that allow an athlete to consistently make a free throw, its takes dedication and practice to develop the mental discipline to exercise your sexual faculties in a healthy way. Individual failures are not as important as a true dedication to improving. God knows your heart and will understand if you are really trying to improve. In other words, be careful because you can fool yourself on this point, but you can’t fool Him. Examine your conscience, try to understand what you are doing and why, and whether you think it is something that is reducing your ability to welcome God into your heart and your life. If you find that it is (and it sounds like you already know the answer to that), work on doing better. The “why” part is often the key to success, I think.

The most important step is admitting this is something you need to work on, congrats on passing that step! The rest aren’t easy, but they are doable. Luck and grace on your journey.
 
I knew it was a grave sin, and I did not want to do it. However, when passion overcomes one’s soul THEN he wants to do it and he does it. No excuse for that. Shame. However, the moment passion is satisfied and gone the one honestly repents.

“Anyone who dies in the state or UNREPENTED” or UNCONFESSED sin goes to Hell? If one repents but dies before he got the time to go confession, then what?
If you are in a state of mortal sin but make an act of perfect contrition but die before you get to confession, your sins are forgiven.

CCC 1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.
 
If you really did not know it was a grave sin then you did not commit a mortal sin. .
THis is not true.Only knowing the act is a sin meets the requirement for full knowledge.

I am NOT calling the OP out here I am pointing out that you reply here is not correct.

The three conditions of mortal sin…

Full Knowledge (knowing it is a wrong no matter the gravity)-
Deliberate intent. (doing it anyway)
Grave Matter (a bad thing)

An example is contraception. If one practices contraception and knows its wrong but doesn’t realize its a grave matter they have still likely committed a mortal sin. Due to the fact that they failed to answer the call to properly form their own conscience.

In mortal sin the weight of the Matter is not dependent on the other 2 conditions.

Great news for the OP is that it is Saturday and your should be able to find a confessional today. AND in regards to sexual fantasy?..I would wager that it is near the top of sins confessed by Men and boys…SO lay it on the line in the confessional…the priest will be very very experienced in dealing with this sin…becuase he will have heard this one ALOT!. I can guarantee you that the priest will not be unfamiliar with this particular Matter…they hear it all the time.
 
THis is not true.Only knowing the act is a sin meets the requirement for full knowledge.

I am NOT calling the OP out here I am pointing out that you reply here is not correct.

The three conditions of mortal sin…

Full Knowledge (knowing it is a wrong no matter the gravity)-
Deliberate intent. (doing it anyway)
Grave Matter (a bad thing)

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You know, I’ve heard different viewpoints on this. Does full knowledge mean knowing it is grave matter or just knowing it is wrong. Do you have a document that could support this? I’m not contradicting you, I’d just like to know for sure. 🙂
 
Does full knowledge mean knowing it is grave matter or just knowing it is wrong. 🙂
If in the case of Mortal guilt the individual was required that the sin was a grave matter then then there would only need to be 2 conditions of Mortal sin instead of 3. For If Full Knowledge included Knowledge that the matter were grave it would be redundancy to include condition of Grave Matter as one of the 3 criteria for Mortal sin. Believing that full knowledge must include the condition of knowledge of Gravity produces the false belief of the individual conscience as the Master. Where in Fact the conscience is the pupil.

This a perfect time to focus on a properly formed conscience.

Lets take Abortion. Some people perfrom abortions. A properly formed conscience tells us that Abortion is a Grave matter. A poorly formed conscience can lead one to believe that Abortion is not a Grave matter but a “sad Reality” One person who deliberately performs the abortion KNOWS its a grave Matter and another person Knows its wrong but is oblivious (through their poorly formed conscience) how horrible the act is…

In regards to the Offense the MATTER is the same…

If a person must know that the offense has to be grave then it is not neccessary to mention that the Matter must be grave.

From the C.C.C.

Mortal sin presupposes the sinful nature of the act. (note the CCC does not say the gravity of the sinful nature of the act)
Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin." (C.C.C. # 1859)
 
If in the case of Mortal guilt the individual was required that the sin was a grave matter then then there would only need to be 2 conditions of Mortal sin instead of 3. For If Full Knowledge included Knowledge that the matter were grave it would be redundancy to include condition of Grave Matter as one of the 3 criteria for Mortal sin. Believing that full knowledge must include the condition of knowledge of Gravity produces the false belief of the individual conscience as the Master. Where in Fact the conscience is the pupil.

This a perfect time to focus on a properly formed conscience.

In regards to the Offense the MATTER is the same…

If a person must know that the offense has to be grave then it is not neccessary to mention that the Matter must be grave.
I guess what throws it off is including “full” knowledge. If it is only knowledge, why include the “full?”

I’d really like to see a reference. I tend to think you are right, though. I guess I should look it up in the catechism
1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
The catechism doesn’t state that you must know the matter is grave. But, so many have poorly formed consciences…

I think I’ll ask my confessor to be sure. I wonder why they put the word “full” in there.
 
I think I’ll ask my confessor to be sure. I wonder why they put the word “full” in there.
That is a good idea…

I believe I have read before that the conditions of Mortal sin may be one of those developing dogmas…

As far as the “full” knowledge goes…I do remember that coming up awhile back but I cannot remember the arguments pro and con pertaining to what the word “full” means.

Have a blessed Christmas.
 
But, so many have poorly formed consciences…
I believe The existence of Free will places the responsibility of a properly formed conscience in the hands of the individual…But it does seem as though many people have the odds stacked against them when you evaluate how some children are raised.
 
THis is not true.Only knowing the act is a sin meets the requirement for full knowledge.

I am NOT calling the OP out here I am pointing out that you reply here is not correct.

The three conditions of mortal sin…

Full Knowledge (knowing it is a wrong no matter the gravity)-
Deliberate intent. (doing it anyway)
Grave Matter (a bad thing)

An example is contraception. If one practices contraception and knows its wrong but doesn’t realize its a grave matter they have still likely committed a mortal sin. Due to the fact that they failed to answer the call to properly form their own conscience.

In mortal sin the weight of the Matter is not dependent on the other 2 conditions.

Great news for the OP is that it is Saturday and your should be able to find a confessional today. AND in regards to sexual fantasy?..I would wager that it is near the top of sins confessed by Men and boys…SO lay it on the line in the confessional…the priest will be very very experienced in dealing with this sin…becuase he will have heard this one ALOT!. I can guarantee you that the priest will not be unfamiliar with this particular Matter…they hear it all the time.
You are wrong. Ask your priest. You must know it is a GRAVE/SERIOUS sin.
 
You are wrong. Ask your priest. You must know it is a GRAVE/SERIOUS sin.
I have asked this very question to clergy and he said the exact opposite of what your priest told you. It appears as though this needs to be asked in the Q/A forums.

Logic tells me that we are not pusnished for forming our consciences proper.

Lets discuss the following statement in the C.C.C. pertaining to mortal sin.

…hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin."
 
I have asked this very question to clergy and he said the exact opposite of what your priest told you. It appears as though this needs to be asked in the Q/A forums.

Logic tells me that we are not pusnished for forming our consciences proper.

Lets discuss the following statement in the C.C.C. pertaining to mortal sin.

…hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin."
Three three conditions for a sin to be mortal are:
  1. Grave/Serious matter
  2. Full knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong prior to committing the act
  3. Full consent of the will.
In other words if the act is grave and you know its grave and do it anyway then its a mortal sin.
However, if the act is grave but you really do not know that and you commit the act then it is not a mortal sin.

For your guidance check out any of the websites about examination of conscience and you will see they are consistent in this.
 
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