Sisters who wear the Habit

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Are you in favor of Sisters wearing the Habit?

The Habit signifies that a Sister has left the world - but today we see many orders who no longer wear the Habit.

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I LOVE to see sisters in habits, I do not like to see the dykey looking ones with a lapel pin, I mean really?
 
A question

Are you in favor of Sisters wearing the Habit?

The Habit signifies that a Sister has left the world - but today we see many orders who no longer wear the Habit.

Comments?
The habit is a sign of consecration. It is also a sign of the Church’s presence. However, it is not, nor has ever been, the only possible sign of consecration for religious.

There has always been a rather interesting dichotomy in the way that Catholics have treated women vs men on the question of the habit. Women religious have been expected to wear it. At one time, they were to wear it 24/7.

This was never the expectation for male religious. Some communities have a habit and some were founded without one. My own Franciscan line has always had a habit, even though we have more than 50 variations on the same theme. That’s another subject. But religious communities such as the Marianists, Marists, Xaverians, Vicentians, Jesuits, Holy Cross and others were never bound to wear a habit. These men had a choice between dressing like secular clergy or wearing secular clothing.

Additionally, those of us who had a habit, friars and monks, have never been expected to wear it 24/7 . From the early 1900s monks and friars began to wear suits with a Roman Collar or a black suit, shirt and black tie. Especially for activities where the long flowing skits of a habit are cumbersome.

The Church teaches us that there is only ONE religious life. There are many expressiions of religious life: Franciscan, Benedictine, Jesuit, Salesian, Dominican, and more. But the religious life of the Church is a ordered way of life, grounded in the evangelical counsels and lived out in community in the heart of the Church. In fact, the Church goes as far as saying that the religious life is different from the priesthood and that the presence of priests in the religious life is accidental, not essential. The religious life needs priests as much as the married life. Married people don’t have a priest living in the house. Religious need not have one either. It’s up to the founder to have or not have priests in his religious community.

If the religious life is ONE, there is the keyword, then it stands to reason that the expectations off what is essential be the same for men and women, by they monks, friars, clerks regular, nuns or sisters. The fact that the expectation regarding the habit has never been uniform, implies that the habit itself is not essential to the religious life. This does not mean that it does not play an important role. I believe that it does. I wear one everyday.

However, to ask only about sisters and not about brothers or priests who belong to religious life, does sisters a disservice. It singles them out as being the only ones who go wtihout a habit. This is not true.

It singles them out as being required to wear a habit and this is not true. Vita Consacrata is very clear that those institutes whose founders did not intend for them to wear a habit may adopt another form of clothing that is modest, appropriate for their work, and in keeping with the simplicity of poverty. The document does not distinguish between males and females. It speaks to all religious.

That’s why you have Dominican friars who look like diocesan priests, because the suit and collar are more practical than the white habit, scapular, double cowl and black mantle.

I recently attended a very large national function for Respect Life. There were about 150 men in Roman collars. As the two days went by, we gradually found out that some were religious, not diocesan priests. Some of the religious were not ordained. They are Lay Brothers in some communities or Non-Cleric brothers in other communities. But all were wearing the same black suit and white collar. No one makes a fuss about this. Then there were some men who were regular shirts who were also diocesan priests, regular priests and religious brothers.

I think that we have to be very careful with this whole habit question. It can give the impression that the laity is discriminating between the male religious and the female religious, when in fact, they are both religious and share in the one religious life of the Church. I would not single out women religious, especially because male religious have been getting away without a habit for a long time and no one says anything about it, neither the laity nor the bishops.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
It may not be fair to feel that women religious should wear habits, but that is how I feel. I also feel that priests should always (outside of the shower) wear their collars. A few more brothers wearing their robes as they walk down the street wouldn’t be amiss either. These people are living signs in a world run riot and we need need to see them out and about among us. The ironic thing is that the sisters in cloisters do wear their habits 24/7, and nobody sees them. Their living sign among us is the wall around their enclosure.
 
A question

Are you in favor of Sisters wearing the Habit?

The Habit signifies that a Sister has left the world - but today we see many orders who no longer wear the Habit.

Comments?
I our Church always there is a sister wearing habit; and in my favorite grocery store often met sisters in habit. I always bow for them and murmur; Laudetur Jesus Christus. It is elevating the spirit to see their adherence to the tradition.

As for the sisters or for that matter religious men or priests in civilian clothes I always thank to God that this is not my responsibility.
 
I was in the active military for 5 years. Uniforms immediately inform people about branch, rank, rate, expected level of work training and they convey a presupposed level of competance. Uniforms also psychologically relate approachability, an acceptance of mission and a dedication to position.

When religious refuse to wear religious clothing, it conveys to me a person who wishes to be left well enough alone. If religious don’t wish to be bothered by the congregation, fine. However, they shouldn’t expect reciprocal financial benefit for holding themselves in that hiding position.
 
Yes sisters should wear their habits and by extension, all religous. This is a visible sign to the world they are consecrated to the Lord and especilly during these times the world needs that sign.
 
I was in the active military for 5 years. Uniforms immediately inform people about branch, rank, rate, expected level of work training and they convey a presupposed level of competance. Uniforms also psychologically relate approachability, an acceptance of mission and a dedication to position.

When religious refuse to wear religious clothing, it conveys to me a person who wishes to be left well enough alone. If religious don’t wish to be bothered by the congregation, fine. However, they shouldn’t expect reciprocal financial benefit for holding themselves in that hiding position.
I’ll begin by saying that I like the habits (some habits). Some are horrible and should be changed. But that’s another thread.

However, religious life is a little different from military life in that some founders did not want their religious to be noticed. They deliberately wanted them to be like the common man or woman. Allow me to provide some examples.

Mother Teresa of Calcutta:

When she founded the Missionaries of Charity, she had a vision in which Jesus told her that he did not want European sisters. He wanted Indian sisters. Mother chose the sari. The sari became very famous as a habit, when mother first appeared in the press. Prior to that, they traveled all over and no one knew that they were women religious.

Later she is going to found the men’s branch of the Missionaries of Charity. Again, Jesus tells her that he does not want European priests or religious. He wants Indians. The male Missionaries of Charity are not allowed to use the title Frather, nor are they allowed to wear a habit. They wear a white shirt, slacks and sandals or shoes if it’s very cold climate.

It was the founder’s desire that they not wear a habit.

Vincent de Paul:

He wanted the Society of Charity to be women who would be able to walk through the streets of Paris without causing sandal and without being under the control of the bishops or a religious superior. This is what Vincent did (he was very creative).

He called this new society, Daughters of Charity, not Sisters.

He prohibitted the profession of perpetual vows. They renew their vows on March 25 or they can leave. They make vows for one year at a time. Technically, they are not sisters or nuns. By law, sisters and nuns must make perpetual vows. This leaves them free from the control of bishops and religious superiors. They have no religious superiors.

He forbade the use of a habit. If you examine the remains of St. Louise de Marillac and the pictures of St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, neither woman is wearing a habit. Neither woman is wearing the famous cornette of the Daughters of Charity.

The cornette was adopted later. Some believe that it was Flemish. I have no idea, because I know nothing about fashion. Others believe that it was Vincent’s refusal to let the sisters wear a veil, because it got in the way of the work. In any case, it was very clear that Vincent did not want a habit.

He founded the Congregation of the Mission for men. We call them the Vincentians. Again, he prohibits the use of a habit. They were to dress like secular men. Eventually, one of their superiors would allow them to wear the collar worn by secular priests. There is a question as to whether or not the Vincentians are really religious. Some canonists say they do not qualify as such.

Fr. Chaminade:

He founded the Society of Mary, known as the Marianists. He did two very interesting things. The Society was to be a congregation of consecrated religious men. Howerver, they were not to wear a habit. They were to dress as ordinary “school masters”. They were not to ordain more than one brother to celebrate the mass for their house. The ordained were not to stand out. Therefore, they were not to wear a habit either. They could wear whatever was worn by secular priests in the local diocese. Therefore, no two Marianists ever look the same.
 
My opinion is, “it depends.” I, too, like to see nuns in their habits. But I can see where that way of dressing could make certain work difficult. I am content to leave it up to the particular order to which they belong, or to the nuns themselves.
 
However, religious life is a little different from military life in that some founders did not want their religious to be noticed. They deliberately wanted them to be like the common man or woman.
I reverted back to the Church and it was between 2 and 3 years of attending Mass when one evening Father said that our nun was transfering.

I was excited as I didn’t even know the parish had a nun. Father asked the nun to stand up during Mass and when she did I suddenly realized this was the lady I’d seen multiple times prior to Mass unlocking doors, arranging music, etc.

I felt cheated. All that time had gone and because of her casual dress, I’d failed to recognize her as a nun and to seek her out for guidance.
 
It may not be fair to feel that women religious should wear habits, but that is how I feel. I also feel that priests should always (outside of the shower) wear their collars. A few more brothers wearing their robes as they walk down the street wouldn’t be amiss either. These people are living signs in a world run riot and we need need to see them out and about among us. The ironic thing is that the sisters in cloisters do wear their habits 24/7, and nobody sees them. Their living sign among us is the wall around their enclosure.
👍 I totally agree.

~Liza
 
Oh yes! I agree completely. When a nun wears her habit it shows that she is not a woman of the world, but the bride of Christ! A lot of the new religious orders, societies of apostolic life, and congregations are using habits, and are returning to their habits! God Bless :signofcross::byzsoc:
 
I reverted back to the Church and it was between 2 and 3 years of attending Mass when one evening Father said that our nun was transfering.

I was excited as I didn’t even know the parish had a nun. Father asked the nun to stand up during Mass and when she did I suddenly realized this was the lady I’d seen multiple times prior to Mass unlocking doors, arranging music, etc.

I felt cheated. All that time had gone and because of her casual dress, I’d failed to recognize her as a nun and to seek her out for guidance.
Before you feel cheated, you may want to find out who her founder was and what was the founder’s intent. If the founder did not want the sisters to be noticed, then you’re not being cheated. When we ignore the vision of the founder, we throw everyone into the same bucket. “All religious must wear a habit.”

My community is one of those younger communities (the brothers are not so young). We wear a habit, because it was in the mind of St. Francis. We also do a lot of work alongside the Marianist Brothers. I would find it very strange to see one of them in anything but secular clothes. They were never allowed to wear a habit. Their founder wanted them to be anonymous. If someone tells me that they feel cheated because they could not seek out a Marianist Brother for guidance, my reply would be, “That was the idea of the founder, that you not use the brothers for that purpose.”

The same holds true for some communities of women.

There is also a clarification that must be made here. It’s about priests. Many lay people associate the Roman collar with priests. It’s true that it began with secular priests in the Diocese of Rome, hence the name Roman. It’s not true that it was worn by every priest or only by priests.

Secular priests from other dioceses around the world gradually adopted it. Regular priests did not adopt it, if they had a habit. It was the Clerks Regular, beginning with the Jesuits, who were the first male religious to adopt the Roman collar, because they never had a habit. They wore what was worn by secular clergy, cassock and collar.

Gradually, there was a secularization of the orders of men, between the late 1800s up to the 1970s. It is one of the saddest chapters in the history of male religious life. Male religious life became clericalized, parish work became the primary ministry and religious life and the original ministries went out the window. Thank God we’re correcting that today.

What happened was that male religious, priests and brothers, began to wear the Roman Collar instead of the habit. This is the secularization of religious life. Because this was the garb of the secular clergy. It makes all males look the same. You have no idea who is a secular priest, who is a Carmelite Friar or who is a Benedictine Monk. The proper clothing for a male religious in an order is the habit.

Male religious who belong to congregations often do not have a habit. The either wear whatever is worn by the secular clergy or they wear what is worn by secular laymen. Among men habits are more common in the orders, not the congregations. There are some congregations that were founded with habits, but not all. Whereas all orders of men were founded with habits.

Since congregations are a community, priests and brothers all wore cassocks and collars in order to maintain a common way of dress.

Today, what I find that is disconcerting is that the laity wants priests in collars and brothers in robes. This is disconcerting, because it violates the principles of the founders of religious communities. As I said before, only two communities had distinct garb for priests and brothers, because it was practical for their work.

If we want to see people properly dressed, the call should be for each community to return to its roots and for the secular clergy to wear what is appropriate for them. That’s an idea that I can support.

We, the faithful, must always comply with the intentions of the founders. Our faith tells us that the founders were given a vision by the Holy Spirit. When communities fail to follow the vision, the Church suffers.

On a thread such as this, it would be more appropriate to call for everyone to dress according to their founders (if they’re religious) or according to the diocesan norm, if they are secular clergy. That would be a fair request and one that religious and clergy should respond to.

If the founder said “wear a habit,” then do so. If the founder said “no habit,” then don’t wear one. The demand should be a call to fidelity to the founders on the part of religious. I believe this is why so many new communities have broken off from the larger and older communities. Many of the larger communities became too confusing. Everyone was trying to figure out what the world wanted and needed and few people were paying attention to what the founders wanted.

Again, follow the founder. If he/she says “habit” by all means, wear it. If he/she says “no habit” by all means don’t wear one. A good religious is obedient to his or her spiritual father/mother.

If you’re a secular deacon or priest, follow your bishop’s guidelines.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
A question

Are you in favor of Sisters wearing the Habit?

The Habit signifies that a Sister has left the world - but today we see many orders who no longer wear the Habit.

Comments?
or the garb worn by members of a religious order may signify, that on the suggestion of Pope Pius XII among others, the order has moderninized the habit to resemble modern dress worn by women who do the type of work that is the charism of that order.
 
I agree with Br JR. I am in favor of habits for those whose founders who wanted them to wear a habit. For those whose founder did not want them wearing a habit, they should not be in a habit.

I have a habit. I wear it whenever I am in a ministerial setting or whenever I attend Church outside of my community chapel. I also own a black shirt with the roman collar. I have this for two reasons. One is that I only have one habit and sometimes it gets dirty and I do not have time to wash it before I need to wear it again, so then I wear the collar. The other time is for when it is impractical to wear the habit.

It seems this is just another thread for some lay people to attempt to push their ideas of what religious life is on to the actual religious who live that life.
 
Br. JR,
as always thank you so much for your informative and insightful posts. 🙂

Br. David,
I am sad to say I tend to agree with you here. 😦
It seems this is just another thread for some lay people to attempt to push their ideas of what religious life is on to the actual religious who live that life.
In my experience, in my little corner of America, it seems that many of whom I encounter who claim to have a “traditional mindset” seem to have perception that the Church is made up of Fr. Chuck O’Malley’s & Sr. Marie Benedict’s. 😉
 
"Before you feel cheated, you may want to find out who her founder was and what was the founder’s intent. If the founder did not want the sisters to be noticed, then you’re not being cheated. When we ignore the vision of the founder, we throw everyone into the same bucket. “All religious must wear a habit.”

You’re not joking yet I wish that you were. The founder’s intent?

What was Jesus’ intent when He said that Christians are Light and Salt and that no one lights a Light and then hides it under a basket?
 
Absolutely in favor of it. WHY?

It remains the Normal practice for the Universal CC.

It gives evidence of WHO and WHAT they are commited too.*

CANON LAW:

Can. 669 §1
. Religious are to wear the habit of the institute, made according to the norm of proper law, as a sign of their consecration and as a witness of poverty.

§2. Clerical religious of an institute which does not have a proper habit are to wear clerical dress according to the norm of ⇒ can. 284.

**Can. 284 **Clerics are to wear suitable ecclesiastical garb according to the norms issued by the conference of bishops and according to legitimate local customs.

Can. 607 §1. As a consecration of the whole person, religious life manifests in the Church a wonderful marriage brought about by God, a sign of the future age. Thus the religious brings to perfection a total self-giving as a sacrifice offered to God, through which his or her whole existence becomes a continuous worship of God in charity.

**§3. **The public witness to be rendered by religious to Christ and the Church entails a separation from the world proper to the character and purpose of each institute

**Can. 590 §1. **Inasmuch as institutes of consecrated life are dedicated in a special way to the service of God and of the whole Church, they are subject to the supreme authority of the Church in a special way.

Can. 665 §1. Observing common life, religious are to live in their own religious house and are not to be absent from it except with the permission of their superior. If it concerns a lengthy absence from the house, however, the major superior, with the consent of the council and for a just cause, can permit a member to live outside a house of the institute, but not for more than a year, except for the purpose of caring for ill health, of studies, or of exercising an apostolate in the name of the institute.

§2. Individual members are also bound to obey the Supreme Pontiff as their highest superior by reason of the sacred bond of obedience

In addition the waering of Habits can and ought to be a interior motivation to live
exemplary lifes and God willing, ttract others to th order or Religious life, by there example.

God Bless,
Pat*
 
Absolutely in favor of it. WHY?

CANON LAW:

Can. 669 §1
. Religious are to wear the habit of the institute, made according to the norm of proper law, as a sign of their consecration and as a witness of poverty.
And not all religious institutes were founded with a habit.

I think it is time for the laity to leave the religious alone. We are not in this life to conform to your desires.
 
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