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Kamaduck
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Neither did I. I shouldn’t have doubted you, on_the_hill.
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Kamaduck
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You paint a rosy picture, but not everyone is fortunate enough to have a father. Also, some women simply have talents that require a college education for them to make full use of them. Some don’t, and that’s true of both men and women. Ultimately, the right answer is different for each person- for some, college is the only way to go. For others, it’s unnecessary.
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on_the_hill
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Sorry. I try. Believe me I try not to get too…sarcastic.
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Mimi20
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Lovely use of reading comprehension.
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Jesus himself never taught that a woman should not receive education beyond a certain age or only be taught by apprenticeship etc. Such occurrences were simply the cultural norms and necessities of those times. Why should that not have evolved along with the rest of the world? A woman at that time would not be able to support herself well enough if she did not have a son or some man to rely on if she were widowed etc. I’m sure we can all agree that Jesus would not have been in support of that to last for eternity. He made sure His own mother was in someone’s care before he died, and now that women are allotted more freedom I’m sure he’s not opposed to them utilizing their talents to be able to support themselves and their families as well.
Women are, as they can in the 21st century. Big difference.
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EasterJoy
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Yes. Get rid of co-educational dorms, for one thing. Make college campuses dry for the second thing. Do not allow sororities and fraternities to host events that are not chaperoned for a third. If students over 21 are allowed to live on campus, it needs to be in quarters where minors are not allowed, excepting for spouses and children of the students living there…and I include siblings. If people under 21 who want to party and get drunk have to go do it somewhere other than on their college campus and in their college living quarters, it would be a great help to those who would like to avoid the near occasion of sin. (Those who are hell-bent, well, they’ll find the place they’re looking for. That much cannot be helped. It doesn’t have to be allowed on campus.) Honestly, I’d have anyone caught in a dormitory other than their own expelled permanently.
If many young people do not want a living environment appropriate for the typical late-night decision-making ability of their age group, they can go to work for three years or so before they go to college. My experience with people returning to college from some time at paid work is that they value the educational opportunity far more than the majority (though by no means all) of those who come straight out of high school. They do not spend their college career looking past their studies and towards the next time they can abuse alcohol with their friends. The reality of the “career choices” open to those who do not develop their thinking skills does that to a person, I suppose.
My mother-in-law told me that these things changed with the GI bill, because of all the 19 and 20 year olds who flooded college campuses after having been “aged” far beyond their years in WWII. They wouldn’t have “childish” rules any more, having lived and seen their friends die as men. Well, now we have “childish” grown-ups because 18 year olds are being allowed to act like unsupervised children for four years under the auspices of “education.” I don’t think the clock can be turned back, but keeping drunken college students out of each other’s bedrooms would make it far easier for those who don’t want to be ridiculed for maintaining their chastity.
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EasterJoy
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Yes, because heaven forbid that the primary educators of our children have something to pass on to those children about God, other than simple-minded half-truths and–what is the word for those rumors that go around among the uneducated? ah yes!!–wives’ tales.
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EasterJoy
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Send our young men to colleges where there are none of our young women, and they’ll come home with someone else’s young women as their brides. Yes, if you want lots of good Catholic boys out there using their college educations to support their nice Episcopalian or Baptist or Mormon or socially-conscious-but-non-church-attending families, that is a good way to accomplish it!!I didn’t read the article, but there is total wisdom in the daughter being truly under her father’s protection until she is married, and even then, the bible only speaks of the groom leaving his family… How can a daughter be truly under her father’s protection living in a dorm taking classes and hearing heresy taught as fact? She’s not under her father’s protection! The concept of NOT sending your daughter to college and instead taking on some type of apprenticeship model surely is not convenient or popular, but neither was Jesus and many of His teachings…
If a daughter is to go to college, debt is not ideal for a number of reasons. Daughter living at home either taking online classes or driving to a serious Christian school is the way to do it. Apprenticeship is also fantastic. If a family is fortunate enough to do so, sending your children out into the world in two’s is a great thing. It allows more room to stand strong in tricky situations, and the Lord Jesus sent His disciples out in two’s. I can thank Michelle Duggar for that one. A lot to be said for a protestant, Bill Gothard, and his ministry. It is very much centered on living a well-ordered life. The whole concept of finding out what in the world is okay and what’s not is irrelevant. Let’s not try to go as far as we can and still be Catholic, but look to see what would truly please God.
Let the this-is-totally-ridiculous responses begin.
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savedbygrace71
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oh thank you titoRoberto, this is definitely the best laugh of my day!! “Library system is great.” Ha ha ha!!
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marymary1975
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The big problem with the article is that says that having and advanced education and having a family/being a wife and mother are mutually exclusive.
And as we have stated before, if you expect schools to teach kids what the parents should be teaching in the house, you have a problem. Having said that there is a lot that women learn In College that are going to make the woman to be a better wife and mother starting by (and again not trying to offend people that didn’t go to college but comparing to what the article is suggesting which is basically keep the women dumb) the fact that they learn to use their brain, they become more functional and are able to make smarter decisions. There is a reason why college educated women have lower divorce rates, are happier in their marriages, are better mothers and their children do better. Also what the article proposes you know how to read just go to the library is the most unrealistic thing in the world. If it is like that them why crime statistics are higher in neighborhoods with lower education?
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AuditVocemMeam
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YES. Please do this, especially the second.
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joshvanrad
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lol!
oh thank you titoRoberto, this is definitely the best laugh of my day!! “Library system is great.” Ha ha ha!!
I was sincerely hoping I was not the only one who laughed hysterically when I read that.
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Cojuanco
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Actually, I think English is not his first language. In fact, based on the grammatical mistakes, I can make a good guess of where he is from (also the name, “Tito Roberto” may be a giveaway). The language errors expressed are common among some older relatives of mine in colloquial speech when trying to speak English.
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Estevao
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Has anybody in this thread thought about how colleges are correlated with a precipitous fall in religious attendance and belief amongst the young, how they are dens of alcohol-fueled debauchery, how they are locales where scientism and atheism are preached by dogmatic leftist professors bent on molding young, naive minds and disabusing them of their faith, and how students are exposed to anti-family propaganda, instead of any sort of training for parenthood?
Of course all of this applies to both sexes, so there’s no need to accuse me of wanting all women uneducated, barefoot and pregnant. Of course that being said I don’t look down on a woman who decides to put family ahead of career. I would in fact encourage a woman to put family ahead of getting a degree which, in the case of the liberal arts, is worth nothing more than a library card and 10 bucks in late fees.
Of course all of this applies to both sexes, so there’s no need to accuse me of wanting all women uneducated, barefoot and pregnant. Of course that being said I don’t look down on a woman who decides to put family ahead of career. I would in fact encourage a woman to put family ahead of getting a degree which, in the case of the liberal arts, is worth nothing more than a library card and 10 bucks in late fees.
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Kamaduck
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Do you want us all (meaning all people) to stay at home or go to trade school, and let the non-Christians run everything?
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savedbygrace71
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Oh I’m not laughing at the language skills
I’m laughing at the idea that everything I needed to learn after age 17 I should have been able to to just look up myself in the library. I’m just a girl, so…the library system is plenty! All I have needed to know how to do is laundry and diapers.
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AnneElizabeth
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Sigh It may or may not be what the Catholic Church teaches … now.… however I did find a Catholic book… one from about 1940. It does say that a woman should stay home with her parents if not married.
I’m not really sure what the church would say now. I don’t think they ever put anything out there, except what you’d see on EWTN… and that is not really “The Church”.
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catholicmamajoy
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I just read this on a Catholic homeschooling mom’s blog I follow. Her husband wrote his 6 reasons for not sending sons to college. Love it!
carrotsformichaelmas.com/2013/09/17/six-reasons-to-not-send-your-son-to-college/
carrotsformichaelmas.com/2013/09/17/six-reasons-to-not-send-your-son-to-college/
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Estevao
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Oh no, if Christians went to college with the intention of going into academia and changing things around, either in the thought of academia or in simply becoming a real Christian Scientist, Doctor, Historian etc., one who didn’t keep his/her faith private but integrated it into his/her work, or if they went to make many friends and thus opportunities to open hearts and minds to God, then I think college would be great.
The renaissance in theistic and Christian philosophy since the 1970s in the English-speaking world has shown that Christians can change the universities around, and the existence of many people who came to the faith in their college years shows that edifying personal relationships which lead to evangelization can also happen.
However what seems to happen instead is that the Christians end up losing their faith, which I think is the most important thing in our lives and something which we should guard when going into the modern college, if we do go at all.
I do agree that the article is misguided because it shouldn’t only focus on women. Accusations of misogyny on his part may be warranted.
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EasterJoy
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Has anybody thought that getting the jobs available to people with no more than high school educations isn’t exactly the equivalent of being shut up in a monastery, either? Has anyone stopped to ask if young women who stay home from college are less likely to smoke, use alcohol or drugs, get pregnant out of wedlock, or marry the first guy she meets (which of course sharply increases her chance of a failed marriage)?
The fellow posting the original article seems to be under the impression that he can shut his daughters up in a tower somewhere until he brings each of them a husband that they’ll consent to marry. That’s really not a viable option in the US, or pretty much anywhere else that enshrinement of Sharia into the criminal code isn’t around to help.
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Estevao
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That’s funny because the college debt bubble and the increasing worthlessness of a college degree really puts to rest this “YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE OR YOU’RE OUT OF LUCK AND YOU’RE A FAILURE!!!11!!” myth.
Also I hope you don’t think I’m being insincere by asking those questions. Going to college should be a well thought out decision, not just something you do after High School because that’s what everybody else is doing. The questions I asked, and the questions you asked, are important to this process of deciding on whether going to college is the right decision. I just wish that people would think about the risks that colleges pose to your finances and your moral health.
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