Skinny yeans mortal sin?

[Debora123]

I see you’ve joined CAF within the past week. I’ve been here not much longer at a skoosh over four months. In this short amount of time I’ve concluded that the ways in which women dress is the most over-analyzed, over-discussed topic on the site. It’s fetishized here, quite frankly.

If you don’t believe me, look throughthese threads. This is a sampling of the threads started since January 1 of this year about all manner of female clothing:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=576475&highlight=modesty
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=563667&highlight=modesty
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=571057&highlight=modesty
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=572336&highlight=modesty
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=572480&highlight=bathing+suit
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=566939&highlight=bathing+suit
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=261894&highlight=bathing+suit
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=463731&highlight=bathing+suit
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=434484&highlight=bathing+suit
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=548107&highlight=bathing+suit
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=410573&highlight=bathing+suit

I urge you to do your own search and spend 20 minutes just looking through all of the ideas people come up with about skirt length, bathing suits, head gear, make up, and just about anything else related to women’s attire. A lot of it is sensible, but a lot of it is deeply rooted in misogyny guided as “concern.” And a bit of it is creepy.

Anyway, bathing suits of all kinds and the moral uproar, seductions, scandal, and sin they can cause, is a done-to-death topic here.

Yup.

 

[Joan1969]

…[message to OP]I urge you to do your own search and spend 20 minutes just looking through all of the ideas people come up with about skirt length, bathing suits, head gear, make up, and just about anything else related to women’s attire. A lot of it is sensible, but a lot of it is deeply rooted in misogyny guided as “concern.” And a bit of it is creepy.

Anyway, bathing suits of all kinds and the moral uproar, seductions, scandal, and sin they can cause, is a done-to-death topic here.

Hi Karow,

Even so, I think the OP should get an individualized reply. I have not seen any responses here that were inappropriate, “creepy”, or not offered in good faith.

God Bless,
Joan

 

[Joan1969]

Finally, I take issue with the idea that it’s not a problem to dress immodestly if the person has no actual intent to provoke. The other day there was a lady in church, she wore a shirt, and three or four buttons were open on that shirt - she exposed lots of her breasts. I will say this is not appropriate, regardless of whether she had an actual intent to seduce someone, or maybe she only thought she was “cute” that way. Regardless of her intentions, the way she wore that shirt was scandalous. There are lots of men attending church, and they open one (1), maximum two buttons on their shirts. C’mon Lady, close those buttons - everybody else can survive the heat with only 1 or 2 buttons open on their shirts, you will be able to survive, too. No need to show your breasts for a whole parish to see, regardless of whether you want to seduce someone or not.

Hi Joseph,

I hope I have not been misunderstood, since you and I are on the same side. I was talking about mortal vs. venial sin, not about whether immodest dress is ever acceptable. People really don’t understand, especially in this culture where the common practice makes them feel that what is objectively so problematic is “no big deal”.

I don’t feel able to draw the line on mortal vs. venial sin when it comes to immodesty, so I gave the scenario that I felt would surely constitute grave sin (deliberate provocation). When it comes to total indifference, I simply don’t know the answer. As I said, it surely shows a big problem with the heart, at any rate.

God Bless,
Joan

 

[karow]

Hi Karow,

Even so, I think the OP should get an individualized reply. I have not seen any responses here that were inappropriate, “creepy”, or not offered in good faith.

God Bless,
Joan

Keep reading, Joan. They’re there. Oh, yes, they’re there.

 

[larry85704]

Hello

I am not sure I know exactly what skinny jeans are. I understand what tight jeans are, I wear them. Not to excite anybody, no, just because I’ve gained weight and refuse to by the next biggest size jeans. My attitude it that they still fit.

I am curious about something. Dress has changed much over the 2000 years since Jesus was here, and even more since Moses. I suspect the reaction of people to different dress has not changed. I can just imagine that the reaction of people thousands of years ago to a man or woman running around naked is not significantly different today than before. So, would it be fair to say that a sin could be committed because you wear a skimpy something to a party in 2011? If it is true, then wouldn’t it be sinful if a man or woman were to remove their clothes to bath, or wash them? Yet didn’t people used to bath in rivers, or lakes?

I think it is not sinful to be naked if the reason you are naked is acceptable. You know, bathing, sex, medical examinations. How about you?

 

[Joan1969]

Hello

I am not sure I know exactly what skinny jeans are. I understand what tight jeans are, I wear them. Not to excite anybody, no, just because I’ve gained weight and refuse to by the next biggest size jeans. My attitude it that they still fit.

I am curious about something. Dress has changed much over the 2000 years since Jesus was here, and even more since Moses. I suspect the reaction of people to different dress has not changed. I can just imagine that the reaction of people thousands of years ago to a man or woman running around naked is not significantly different today than before. So, would it be fair to say that a sin could be committed because you wear a skimpy something to a party in 2011? If it is true, then wouldn’t it be sinful if a man or woman were to remove their clothes to bath, or wash them? Yet didn’t people used to bath in rivers, or lakes?

I think it is not sinful to be naked if the reason you are naked is acceptable. You know, bathing, sex, medical examinations. How about you?

Hi Larry,

I would say the reaction of people from the past to some of today’s fashions would be quite pronounced to say the least. Women are still veiled in some cultures today.

Private nudity is obviously not sinful. Neither is that which has a proportionate reason, like for a doctor’s visit.

God Bless,
Joan

 

[graceandglory]

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Anyway, bathing suits of all kinds and the moral uproar, seductions, scandal, and sin they can cause, is a done-to-death topic here.

what about men’s suits? I have not been able to get over seeing my priest in a Speedo.

 

[Joan1969]

what about men’s suits? I have not been able to get over seeing my priest in a Speedo.

Hi Grace,

A serious indiscretion on his part.

God Bless,
Joan

 

[WingsOfEagles]

I just wanted to add that we also had a secretary (he was a guy) who used to wear tight slacks. He used to dress with a sense of Southern sophistication, he always dressed very nicely, but his slacks/pants were on the tight side. I wouldn’t say I was seriously bothered by how he used to dress, but there was definitely something funny about his tight slacks. I never asked my female colleagues, though, what was their opinion about this guy’s slacks.

Well, the guy was gay, and he lived together with his gay partner. He was my colleague for 5 years, he was a nice person, and we had a good work relationship. But his pants were kind of funny. I wonder whether other people noticed them, and what were their opinions.

I’ll take this a step farther. I had a relatively young/attractive male college professor who used to dress in these types of slacks on occasion. Boy, was it hard to concentrate. Discussions with my female roommates led to realizing it wasn’t just me.