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Imcatholic7
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I read a book about a month ago (An Infinity Of Little Hours) and it said how a Carthusian monk has the grace of skipping Purgatory and going straight to Heaven. Comments? True? Thanks!
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Blue_Cricket
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“Has” or “Had”? (as in is he still alive, or already passed on?")
I think this was also promised to some others, so you may want to look around for things such as the account of the children at Fatima, or in the lives of the saints.
In any case, going to Purgatory is not necessary – we just tend to look at in the same way as scoring a 1600 on the SAT, or getting an Olympic gold medal. Rare, but not impossible. In actual fact, many people who are practicing their Catholic faith probably skip it, but are unknown for this grace, because they receive the Sacrament of the Sick, which provides absolution for those in last need – especially those who may be unable to make the traditional confession. (Think unconscious after car-wreck, or age-related memory problems).
Hope this helps.
I think this was also promised to some others, so you may want to look around for things such as the account of the children at Fatima, or in the lives of the saints.
In any case, going to Purgatory is not necessary – we just tend to look at in the same way as scoring a 1600 on the SAT, or getting an Olympic gold medal. Rare, but not impossible. In actual fact, many people who are practicing their Catholic faith probably skip it, but are unknown for this grace, because they receive the Sacrament of the Sick, which provides absolution for those in last need – especially those who may be unable to make the traditional confession. (Think unconscious after car-wreck, or age-related memory problems).
Hope this helps.
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Deo_Gratias42
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Purgatory isn’t for those who haven’t received absolution. If you die in the state of mortal sin, you go straight to Hell for eternity. Purgatory is for those who die in the state of grace, but have not yet made up for the temporal punishment due to sin and must be purged of all their sin and imperfections in order to stand in the “sight” (we don’t actually see God with our eyes, but intellectually) of God. We can make up for the temporal suffering in this life by bearing suffering patiently, performing acts of penance, gaining indulgences, etc. There is a plenary indulgence called the Apostolic Blessing which is a one time indulgence given at the time of death, but not many priests are aware of this indulgence anymore, thus if the priest doesn’t know about it, and either a family member or the person dying doesn’t make it known to the priest, it is unlikely that it is given.
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thistle
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That doesn’t mean they bypass Purgatory and go straight to Heaven. If any of us die immediately after being absolved we will be saved but absolution does not mean direct to Heaven.
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Blue_Cricket
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thistle
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This has nothing to do with what happens when you die immediately after receiving absolution which is what your earlier post was about.
You said someone receiving the Anointing of the Sick skips Purgatory. That is not correct.
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Pitcharan
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Absolution means justification and can only save us from going to hell. To escape purgatory we need to be sanctified while on earth; else the only way out is sanctification in purgatory. Justification cancels the punishment due for sins; sanctifications purges sinful natures that caused sins.
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Christine85
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For women “The Congregation of Our Lady of Mercy” (St Faustinas Order) , has the same promise said by The Blessed Virgin Mary in St. Faustinas Diary (Diary 1244), that if a Sister in the Order perserveres zealously till death in the Order they will be spared the fires of Purgatory.
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triumphguy
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It may be true, but unfortunately you have to live as a Carthusian first
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sw85
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From the Enchiridion of Indulgences, #28:
*To the faithful in danger of death, who cannot be assisted by a priest to bring them the sacraments and impart the Apostolic Blessing with its plenary indulgence (see can. 468, 2 of Code of Canon Law), Holy Mother Church nevertheless grants a plenary indulgence to be acquired at the point of death, provided they are properly disposed and have been in the habit of reciting some prayers during their lifetime.
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The condition: provided they have been in the habit of reciting some prayers during their
lifetime supplies in such cases for the three usual conditions required for the gaining of a
plenary indulgence.*
*To the faithful in danger of death, who cannot be assisted by a priest to bring them the sacraments and impart the Apostolic Blessing with its plenary indulgence (see can. 468, 2 of Code of Canon Law), Holy Mother Church nevertheless grants a plenary indulgence to be acquired at the point of death, provided they are properly disposed and have been in the habit of reciting some prayers during their lifetime.
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The condition: provided they have been in the habit of reciting some prayers during their
lifetime supplies in such cases for the three usual conditions required for the gaining of a
plenary indulgence.*
crystal_waters
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The apostolic pardon removes all purgatory punishment and the soul goes straight to heaven,
crystal_waters
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Ive read about that, what does properly disposed mean? What do you actually have to do to get the plenary indulgence?
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kentuckyliz
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The exception noted above is the greatest reason for having a life of faith (and practicing it) throughout one’s lifetime. Follow the teachings, worship, and prayer life of the Church. You will die with peace and hope because you have been living in the kingdom of heaven all your life. It is a great and wonderful thing to receive final absolution and the apostolic blessing, but if you die an unprovided death, your life of faith sees you through that door.
I saw my father receive the final absolution, apostolic blessing, and viaticum (one drop because he couldn’t swallow). He could not say a confession because he had no ability to speak; however, he was conscious and mentally alert. You could see the peace he had receiving these things. He rested into unconsciousness soon after and died very peacefully the next day.
Talk to nurses: they can tell you about the deaths of people who are afraid of what’s next, whether they are believers or not. Lazy believers (the lukewarm who did not practice their faith) are just as afraid as the unsaved. Michael Brown talks about some of this stuff in his book The Other Side.
Me: I pray the Rosary every day, and the Hail Mary ends with “pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.” I am sure the Blessed Mother will honor these requests for all sinners including me. What a great comfort it will be to have the Immaculata show up to journey with me through that passage into eternal life.
Re: skipping purgatory, I think St. Therese of Lisieux (Doctor of the Church) is a wise teacher in this regard. Don’t aim for purgatory. Love and trust God Abba Father and aim to go straight to heaven. Read more here. :getholy:
I saw my father receive the final absolution, apostolic blessing, and viaticum (one drop because he couldn’t swallow). He could not say a confession because he had no ability to speak; however, he was conscious and mentally alert. You could see the peace he had receiving these things. He rested into unconsciousness soon after and died very peacefully the next day.
Talk to nurses: they can tell you about the deaths of people who are afraid of what’s next, whether they are believers or not. Lazy believers (the lukewarm who did not practice their faith) are just as afraid as the unsaved. Michael Brown talks about some of this stuff in his book The Other Side.
Me: I pray the Rosary every day, and the Hail Mary ends with “pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.” I am sure the Blessed Mother will honor these requests for all sinners including me. What a great comfort it will be to have the Immaculata show up to journey with me through that passage into eternal life.
Re: skipping purgatory, I think St. Therese of Lisieux (Doctor of the Church) is a wise teacher in this regard. Don’t aim for purgatory. Love and trust God Abba Father and aim to go straight to heaven. Read more here. :getholy:
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kentuckyliz
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Re the unprovided death: a couple years ago I had a car accident, that, if it were a split second different, I probably would have been killed instantly without even a second to realize what was happening. When I realized this later, the full meaning of what I wrote above about the comfort of a life of faith in the moment of the unprovided death became 100% clear and personal to me.
Also, even though I believe my mother and father skipped purgatory, I still had Gregorian Masses said for them. I wrote it into my will for me, because none of my survivors/executors are Catholic and they won’t know what this is, that I want it, it’s a good thing, how to arrange, etc.
Also, even though I believe my mother and father skipped purgatory, I still had Gregorian Masses said for them. I wrote it into my will for me, because none of my survivors/executors are Catholic and they won’t know what this is, that I want it, it’s a good thing, how to arrange, etc.
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sw85
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The necessary disposition to earn a plenary indulgence is (a) the willingness to earn it (force of habit suffices here), and (b) the state of grace. And, in this case, a life of faith and prayer.
The other conditions – sacramental confession within 20 days or so, reception of communion, performance of an indulgenced act, freedom from attachment to sin, and prayers for the intentions of the Holy Father – are not required for this moment-of-death indulgence for those who are otherwise able to receive it.
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Christine85
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Thanks that was great !!
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