Slain in the Spirit

[Ginger2]

Let me start by saying I do not believe these “slain in the spirit” experiences are real. I try to keep an open mind, because I know God can do all things, but what I have read and see on TV, looks nothing like what I see in Scriptures.

According to the Scriptures:

1. every instance of someone "falling down in the presence of God in Scripture or “being slain in the Holy Spirit” that person falls forward.
2. every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward. And they usually convulse!!!

 

[Julia_Mae]

Did you have a question? I’m just not sure what your point is. I also can’t imagine where you got the data about which way anyone falls.

 

[Catholic90]

:coffeeread:

 

[puzzleannie]

Let me start by saying I do not believe these “slain in the spirit” experiences are real. I try to keep an open mind, because I know God can do all things, but what I have read and see on TV, looks nothing like what I see in Scriptures.

According to the Scriptures:

1. every instance of someone "falling down in the presence of God in Scripture or “being slain in the Holy Spirit” that person falls forward.
2. every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward. And they usually convulse!!!

please provide all these scripture citations

what you see on TV has nothing whatever to do, btw, with authentic Catholic charistmatic spirituality

 

[RyanK]

According to the Scriptures:

1. every instance of someone "falling down in the presence of God in Scripture or “being slain in the Holy Spirit” that person falls forward.
2. every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward. And they usually convulse!!!

Huh, I’ve never heard of that. Where did you get this information?

 

[GEddie]

I don’t believe in it either. The only Scripture I have heard people quote to support it is “Ananias and Sapphira.”. Well those people were LITERALLY slain. Dead.

There is nothing in Scripture to say that the Holy Spirit is going to make you unconscious.

And I have been to prayer services, and it is not natural for the body to topple like a tree.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[babylonsfalling]

Let me start by saying I do not believe these “slain in the spirit” experiences are real. I try to keep an open mind, because I know God can do all things, but what I have read and see on TV, looks nothing like what I see in Scriptures.

According to the Scriptures:

1. every instance of someone "falling down in the presence of God in Scripture or “being slain in the Holy Spirit” that person falls forward.
2. every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward. And they usually convulse!!!

Where in the world does it say everyone slain in the Holy Spirit will fall forward?
Where does it say that every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward.

Where in the world are you getting this stuff Ginger?

 

[Ginger2]

please provide all these scripture citations

what you see on TV has nothing whatever to do, btw, with authentic Catholic charistmatic spirituality

Hmmm, is this not the non-catholic religions thread? My apologies if I have posted in the wrong place.

 

[Ginger2]

Huh, I’ve never heard of that. Where did you get this information?

Out of the Scriptures.

Genesis 17

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty.’ Serve me faithfully and live a blameless life. 2 I will make a covenant with you, by which I will guarantee to give you countless descendants.”
3 At this, Abram fell face down on the ground.

Leviticus 9
23 … and the glory of the Lord appeared to the whole community. 24 Fire blazed forth from the Lord’s presence and consumed the burnt offering and the fat on the altar. When the people saw this, they shouted with joy and fell face down on the ground.
1 Kings 18
38 Immediately the fire of the Lord flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the trench! 39 And when all the people saw it, they fell face down on the ground and cried out, “The Lord—he is God! Yes, the Lord is God!”

2 Chronicles 7
1 When Solomon finished praying, fire flashed down from heaven and burned up the burnt offerings and sacrifices, and the glorious presence of the Lord filled the Temple. 2 The priests could not enter the Temple of the Lord because the glorious presence of the Lord filled it. 3 When all the people of Israel saw the fire coming down and the glorious presence of the Lord filling the Temple,** they fell face down on the ground and worshiped **and praised the Lord, saying,“He is good!His faithful love endures forever!”

Ezekiel 1
28 All around him was a glowing halo, like a rainbow shining in the clouds on a rainy day. This is what the glory of the Lord looked like to me. When I saw it, **I fell face down on the ground, and I heard someone’s voice speaking to me. **

Ezekiel 3
22 Then the Lord took hold of me and said, “Get up and go out into the valley, and I will speak to you there.” 23 So I got up and went, and there I saw the glory of the Lord, just as I had seen in my first vision by the Kebar River. And I fell face down on the ground.
24 Then the Spirit came into me and set me on my feet. He spoke to me and said, “Go to your house and shut yourself in.

Ezekiel 43
1 After this, the man brought me back around to the east gateway. 2 Suddenly, the glory of the God of Israel appeared from the east. The sound of his coming was like the roar of rushing waters, and the whole landscape shone with his glory. 3 This vision was just like the others I had seen, first by the Kebar River and then when he came to destroy Jerusalem. I fell face down on the ground. 4 And the glory of the Lord came into the Temple through the east gateway.

Ezekiel 44
4 Then the man brought me through the north gateway to the front of the Temple. I looked and saw that the glory of the Lord filled the Temple of the Lord, and I fell face down on the ground.

Daniel 8
17 As Gabriel approached the place where I was standing, I became so terrified that I fell with my face to the ground. “Son of man,” he said, “you must understand that the events you have seen in your vision relate to the time of the end.”
18 While he was speaking,** I fainted and lay there with my face to the ground.** But Gabriel roused me with a touch and helped me to my feet.

Matthew 17
1 Six days later Jesus took Peter and the two brothers, James and John, and led them up a high mountain to be alone. 2 As the men watched, Jesus’ appearance was transformed so that his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as light. 3 Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus. 4 Peter exclaimed, “Lord, it’s wonderful for us to be here! If you want, I’ll make three shelters as memorials[a]—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”5 But even as he spoke, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy. Listen to him.” 6 The disciples were terrified and fell face down on the ground.

Revelation 1
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid! I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the living one. I died, but look—I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave.

Revelation 7
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living beings. And they fell before the throne with their faces to the ground and worshiped God.

There are verses that speak of people falling backward, but it is the unsaved, those who are perishing fall backward in the Scriptures. Or when a demon iks cast out of them they convulse.

 

[Julia_Mae]

Hmmm, is this not the non-catholic religions thread? My apologies if I have posted in the wrong place.

Catholics still post here. So, do you have something to back up what you said about falling forward or backward? It doesn’t make sense to me, because 1st you said you didn’t believe any of it anyway and then it was like you were trying to show it was real but in some cases demonic. I’m just trying to figure out why you posted this so I know what the topic is about.

 

[Ginger2]

Catholics still post here. So, do you have something to back up what you said about falling forward or backward? It doesn’t make sense to me, because 1st you said you didn’t believe any of it anyway and then it was like you were trying to show it was real but in some cases demonic. I’m just trying to figure out why you posted this so I know what the topic is about.

(sigh) Catholics post here but we are not talking about what Catholics do. We are discussing what non-catholics call “slain in the spirit”

The reason I don’t believe they are having a “God experience” is because it doesn’t click with what happened in the Scriptures. I have already listed several verses to back up my opinion.

The only time I read about people falling backward is those who are unsaved or demon possessed.

 

[RyanK]

Out of the Scriptures.

Genesis 17

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty.’ Serve me faithfully and live a blameless life. 2 I will make a covenant with you, by which I will guarantee to give you countless descendants.”
3 At this, Abram fell face down on the ground.

Leviticus 9
23 … and the glory of the Lord appeared to the whole community. 24 Fire blazed forth from the Lord’s presence and consumed the burnt offering and the fat on the altar. When the people saw this, they shouted with joy and fell face down on the ground.
1 Kings 18
38 Immediately the fire of the Lord flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the trench! 39 And when all the people saw it, they fell face down on the ground and cried out, “The Lord—he is God! Yes, the Lord is God!”

2 Chronicles 7
1 When Solomon finished praying, fire flashed down from heaven and burned up the burnt offerings and sacrifices, and the glorious presence of the Lord filled the Temple. 2 The priests could not enter the Temple of the Lord because the glorious presence of the Lord filled it. 3 When all the people of Israel saw the fire coming down and the glorious presence of the Lord filling the Temple,** they fell face down on the ground and worshiped **and praised the Lord, saying,“He is good!His faithful love endures forever!”

Ezekiel 1
28 All around him was a glowing halo, like a rainbow shining in the clouds on a rainy day. This is what the glory of the Lord looked like to me. When I saw it, **I fell face down on the ground, and I heard someone’s voice speaking to me. **

Ezekiel 3
22 Then the Lord took hold of me and said, “Get up and go out into the valley, and I will speak to you there.” 23 So I got up and went, and there I saw the glory of the Lord, just as I had seen in my first vision by the Kebar River. And I fell face down on the ground.
24 Then the Spirit came into me and set me on my feet. He spoke to me and said, “Go to your house and shut yourself in.

Ezekiel 43
1 After this, the man brought me back around to the east gateway. 2 Suddenly, the glory of the God of Israel appeared from the east. The sound of his coming was like the roar of rushing waters, and the whole landscape shone with his glory. 3 This vision was just like the others I had seen, first by the Kebar River and then when he came to destroy Jerusalem. I fell face down on the ground. 4 And the glory of the Lord came into the Temple through the east gateway.

Ezekiel 44
4 Then the man brought me through the north gateway to the front of the Temple. I looked and saw that the glory of the Lord filled the Temple of the Lord, and I fell face down on the ground.

Daniel 8
17 As Gabriel approached the place where I was standing, I became so terrified that I fell with my face to the ground. “Son of man,” he said, “you must understand that the events you have seen in your vision relate to the time of the end.”
18 While he was speaking,** I fainted and lay there with my face to the ground.** But Gabriel roused me with a touch and helped me to my feet.

Matthew 17
1 Six days later Jesus took Peter and the two brothers, James and John, and led them up a high mountain to be alone. 2 As the men watched, Jesus’ appearance was transformed so that his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as light. 3 Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus. 4 Peter exclaimed, “Lord, it’s wonderful for us to be here! If you want, I’ll make three shelters as memorials[a]—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”5 But even as he spoke, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy. Listen to him.” 6 The disciples were terrified and fell face down on the ground.

Revelation 1
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid! I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the living one. I died, but look—I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave.

Revelation 7
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living beings. And they fell before the throne with their faces to the ground and worshiped God.

There are verses that speak of people falling backward, but it is the unsaved, those who are perishing fall backward in the Scriptures. Or when a demon iks cast out of them they convulse.

The majority of these are not people being “slain,” it’s simply people who lay/kneel face down in worship. In regards to people actually being slain in the spirit, ultimately, it’s between them and God. If it does bother you then I would suggest going up to them afterwards and speaking with them. Other than that, there’s no real way that you can determine whether someone is truly being slain in the spirit or not, that’s for God to judge.

 

[Julia_Mae]

(sigh)

Gee, poor you, having to deal with someone as stupid as I am. I don’t know how you managed to make yourself answer.

Catholics post here but we are not talking about what Catholics do. We are discussing what non-catholics call “slain in the spirit”

Catholics also “fall out.” Or are “slain in the spirit.” I have.

The reason I don’t believe they are having a “God experience” is because it doesn’t click with what happened in the Scriptures. I have already listed several verses to back up my opinion.

Check the time. We posted simultaneously.

The only time I read about people falling backward is those who are unsaved or demon possessed.

But not in Scripture. As Ryan explained, the citations you gave were of people taking an action in humility and reverence. Falling out is different. I’m pretty sure all the people at Mass who fell backward at the feet of the priest who was praying over them were neither “unsaved” nor “demon-possessed.”

At least, my head seems to only rotate about 80 degrees and I rarely float above my mattress. IMO, you have not much idea what you are on about.

I’ll stop inflicting my presence on your thread now.

 

[jericho777]

Let me start by saying I do not believe these “slain in the spirit” experiences are real. I try to keep an open mind, because I know God can do all things, but what I have read and see on TV, looks nothing like what I see in Scriptures.

According to the Scriptures:

1. every instance of someone "falling down in the presence of God in Scripture or “being slain in the Holy Spirit” that person falls forward.
2. every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward. And they usually convulse!!!

Hi Ginger, I sorta felt like you but I remember the first time I was slain in the Spirit. It was a tent meeting and some people were slain as the pastor prayed for them I was a little skeptical. I knew this pastor and spoke with him after the meeting was over and asked him to pray for tendonitis in my elbow. That way there would be no funny business. As he prayed the power of God hit me and I fell back. I was not expecting it, nor looking for it per se but it did happen. It was an incredible peaceful feeling and I was crying like a baby. I was already scheduled to go to the Doctor the next day for a shot if my elbow was not better by then. Well 20 years later and it’s totally fine.

My current pastor was invited to NC to preach at a revival at a Baptist Church. They really don’t believe in healings or being slain in the Spirit. Well my pastor does. Long story short he went and preached. After he invited any and all for prayer. Many were slain in the Spirit including a six foot 4inch 250lb man who was adamant that this sort of thing was fake. While he was laying there slain in the Spirit and crying like a baby the congregation was laughing because he said it would never happen to him.

 

[Ginger2]

…the citations you gave were of people taking an action in humility and reverence. Falling out is different. …

Well, that is kind of the point I was making. The current phenominum is nothing like what we see in Scriptures.

The only thing I have found in history that was similar to what I have seen was condemned by the Church. I believe the man who was responsible for the phenominum resembling what we see today was Montanus in the late 3rd century.

So, my question would be, are there any verses in the Scriptures to support what is referred to as “being slain in the spirit”?

BTW, I do believe in miracles and healings.

 

[MorningSong51]

Out of the Scriptures.

Genesis 17

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty.’ Serve me faithfully and live a blameless life. 2 I will make a covenant with you, by which I will guarantee to give you countless descendants.”
3 At this, Abram fell face down on the ground.

Leviticus 9
23 … and the glory of the Lord appeared to the whole community. 24 Fire blazed forth from the Lord’s presence and consumed the burnt offering and the fat on the altar. When the people saw this, they shouted with joy and fell face down on the ground.
1 Kings 18
38 Immediately the fire of the Lord flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the trench! 39 And when all the people saw it, they fell face down on the ground and cried out, “The Lord—he is God! Yes, the Lord is God!”

2 Chronicles 7
1 When Solomon finished praying, fire flashed down from heaven and burned up the burnt offerings and sacrifices, and the glorious presence of the Lord filled the Temple. 2 The priests could not enter the Temple of the Lord because the glorious presence of the Lord filled it. 3 When all the people of Israel saw the fire coming down and the glorious presence of the Lord filling the Temple,** they fell face down on the ground and worshiped **and praised the Lord, saying,“He is good!His faithful love endures forever!”

Tachanun or Taḥanun (Hebrew: תחנון “Supplication”), also called nefillat apayim (“falling on the face”) is part of Judaism’s morning (Shacharit) and afternoon (Mincha) services, after the recitation of the Amidah, the central part of the daily Jewish prayer services. It is omitted on Shabbat, Jewish holidays and several other occasions (e.g., in the presence of a groom in the week after his marriage). Most traditions recite a longer prayer on Mondays and Thursdays.

The custom of bending over and resting the face on the left hand is suggested by the first line of the text which includes the words “nip’lah na b’yad Adonai” (“let us fall into the hand of God”). It is also reminiscent of the Daily Sacrifice brought in the Temple, which was laid on its left side to be slaughtered. A person’s arm should be covered with a sleeve, tallit, or other covering. This posture, developed in the post-Talmudic period, is symbolic of the original practice**, in which people knelt down until their faces touched the ground to show humility and submission to God. ****The pose was also used by Moses and Joshua, who fell on their faces before God after the sin of the Golden Calf. **Because of this practice, Tahanun is also known as nefilat apayim (“falling on the face”). Because Joshua fell on his face before the Ark, Ashkenazi custom is that one puts one’s head down only when praying in front of an Ark containing a Torah scroll. Otherwise, it is proper to sit with the head up.

Link: Tachanun

Read: The first is the fear of the Shechina (Divine Presence). We need to realize that when we are praying, we are standing in front of Hashem Himself. This is quite a humbling experience. Therefore we perform a very humbling action - we put our heads down and cover our faces. Secondly, this action helps us to do teshuva (correct our mistakes). One who feels distressed and low puts his head down. This is one of the key factors in doing teshuva - feeling distressed and low about your sins. Therefore, we perform an action which demonstrates our regret and desire to correct our ways. Thirdly, we show that our senses and feelings are powerless before The Almighty, Creator of the universe. When we cover our faces, we seal our eyes and mouths. We demonstrate that we can only see what Hashem wants us to see. We can only go in the direction which Hashem allows us to go. We are powerless before the Will of Hashem.

Link: shemayisrael.com/parsha/kindertorah/archives/korach67.htm

and the passage from 1 Samuel 4:13

Eli sat watching by the wayside as the messenger entered the gates of the town; he heard a loud wail arise. “What does the sound of this tumult mean?” the old man asked, full of evil foreboding. His failing sight did not let him perceive the messenger’s rent clothes and his earth-covered head, which told their own tale. The Benjaminite approached him and broke the terrible news. “Our people fled before the Philistines, and there has been a great slaughter among the people, and thy two sons, Chofni and Pinchas, are dead, and the Ark of G-d is taken.” When Eli heard of the fate of the Holy Ark, he fell backwards from his seat and died.

 

[MorningSong51]

Out of the Scriptures.

Genesis 17

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty.’ Serve me faithfully and live a blameless life. 2 I will make a covenant with you, by which I will guarantee to give you countless descendants.”
3 At this, Abram fell face down on the ground.

There are verses that speak of people falling backward, but it is the unsaved, those who are perishing fall backward in the Scriptures. Or when a demon iks cast out of them they convulse.

You’ve watched to many movies, they’re so disturbing to watch and also what evil can do. These movies often over emphasize evil and how powerful it is, making it sound as though nothing can overcome its wickedness. They are making money off of fear.

You are actually writing about two different things, “but it is the unsaved” and “those who are perishing fall backward in scriptures” - which an unsaved person, was never really saved to begin with and the one who was saved fell back into their own sins. When Jesus spoke about sin - he added this thought, " 21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22 But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder."

The wording in this passage tells us that the man who was strong - but, on his own accord, wasn’t able to withstand his opponent - or their adversary, the same thing can be applied to individual nations, as “Slain in the Spirit” can be toward a people, for their sins. However, possession - is difficult to understand. The question being, a wicked or evil person can do harm to others, some are in power as leaders and then there are individual persons (in the bible) that we read, that take in a evil spirit - both types do harm. What makes these types of evil different from each other - as evil can possess and empower an individual on different levels (like Eve - “your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”) - we know Pharaoh,and using a scriptural figure, was used to show God’s glory by refusing to let the Israelite go. We then read from the New Testament about an evil spirit that comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it - "Then it says, “I will return to the house I left.” When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. So what does it mean by, the house was swept clean and put in order? Does it mean that someone “cleaned” up their own house without the assistance of the God - they stopped sinning? and that they put their life back in order? (the unsaved person?)

“Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.” (does that mean possession of the entire body) What is the difference between a person who is wicked and a person who is evil? Are there differences between the two? Don’t both come to the same crime, to the final condition- that being, destruction. Sodom and Gomorrah - 10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place.** The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it**

 

[LinuxUser]

I have an experience in Slain in the Spirit. My mother was when I was a child was prayed over and slain in the Spirit. After that time she had a deeper Christianity and she was baptized in the Spirit.

Some say it is a demon thing but I know it’s not, yes there are some fakers as in all things. While my mother was alive I didn’t like all that stuff even though I was raised in Pentecostal Churches but now I find myself a Charismatic Catholic. I believe God still moves today as He wills and many times we try to put Him into a box.

 

[someguy14]

Romans 8:36
As it is written , For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

 

[ltwin]

From the Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal denomination:

Slain in the Spirit. The phrases “slain in the Spirit,” “falling under the power,” or “resting in the Spirit” are not found in the Bible. They are used, however, to describe the experience of falling to the floor under the power of the Holy Spirit. Although being slain in the Spirit seems to be a distinguishing characteristic of some recent revivals and evangelistic ministries, there are recorded accounts of people falling under the power of God or being slain in the Spirit in 18th and 19th century revivals. Some of the earlier recorded prostration experiences were related to sinners falling under conviction for their sins. More frequently in the modern Pentecostal/Charismatic revival, believers who are slain in the Spirit experience an extended, intense time of inner work of the Spirit tailored to the specific nature or needs of the individual.

Some expositors have noted that in all biblical instances of the powerful presence of God causing one to fall prostrate, the position was always face down, while in contemporary instances, the worshipper falls backward. When the number of worshippers who fall reaches a larger number with regularity, some evangelists have relied on “catchers” to protect from injury during a fall. Some have questioned if humans have to protect from injury if the work is genuinely an act of the Holy Spirit. But based on biblical evidence, falling down is not an evidence of spirituality. Nor is it a normative experience that should be sought on the basis of any biblical command or repeated example.

Overwhelming experiences, such as falling to the floor, are, therefore, in themselves not to be encouraged as a pattern sought by all believers. However, such experiences, when they occur, may be valid, and should not be summarily discredited.

On the other hand, some believers attending a meeting where a few are slain in the Spirit may feel incorrectly that if they do not fall, others will think them unspiritual or resisting the move of the Spirit. A “courtesy fall” is never the work of the Spirit, nor is a quick rise so others may have the experience. If one is truly slain in the Spirit, there is most likely a work the Spirit wishes to do in that life.

(From “Modern Day Manifestations of the Spirit”)

It is indeed real. It has happened to me on several occasions. I have personally never been “unconscious” during these experiences. I have simply felt the overwhelming presence of God upon my body. At the same time, the Lord was ministering to me and doing a work in my life.

There are scriptures that speak of people not being able to stand in the glory of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 5:14 ~ “Nor could the priests stand and minister by reason of the cloud. For the glory of the Lord had filled the house of God.”

1 Kings 8:11 ~ “And the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord.”

Of course, we are not given any scripture that clearly describes what is experienced today as being “slain” or “resting in Spirit”. But is it that unbelievable that an all powerful living and infinite God might manifest Himself in such away? Is it that surprising that people could experience dramatic and overwhelming physical responses in His presence?