Slaves or Children

[hawk]

Galatians 4:21-31
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[meedo]

Well we are actually decendants of Adam and eve. All of us. There si alot fo what you quoted from teh OT that i dont understand because i am not that good in English . But according to the hadeeth we know for sure that the Torah was altered by men same as teh gospels you have . The whole thing about isac bieng the one who was to be slain is plain Jelousy from The people of Israel . They just couldnt take it , so they added on the Yee Isac part . It is really plain simple . The ONLY son is the OLDER son which is ishmael . He was Abraham son and was Ligitimate son .

Slavery sir is a parasite system made by man . It doesnt make any one better than any one else. That is why in Islam we dont give covenants to “free” peopel and not ban covenants from “slaves”

The true covenant of God is with people who truly know him and properly worship him and sincelerly are pious to his commands and orders.

Right at this moment every one of us can look up into teh sky and Talk to God.

Talk to him and tell him that he has made people slaves and made others free and then gave covenants to the free and not the slaves. I am sure your God will be pleased with you .

and btw as slavery is a parasite system that is man made it also is a system that is abolished by man . Sarah was given Hagar as a gift from teh King of Egypt. Sarah later freed her in order to marry Abraham. She has no longer control over her or can command her. It is a ligitimate wife with a ligitimate son .

Its really frustrating of how people can believed in a holy book of god that say that a prophet sleapt with his daughters and other killed tyo sin with someoneelses wife!!!

This is men gossiping and not God words!!

I pray for you .

Peace

 

[hawk]

meedo:

Well we are actually decendants of Adam and eve. All of us. There si alot fo what you quoted from teh OT that i dont understand because i am not that good in English . But according to the hadeeth we know for sure that the Torah was altered by men same as teh gospels you have . The whole thing about isac bieng the one who was to be slain is plain Jelousy from The people of Israel . They just couldnt take it , so they added on the Yee Isac part . It is really plain simple . The ONLY son is the OLDER son which is ishmael . He was Abraham son and was Ligitimate son .

Slavery sir is a parasite system made by man . It doesnt make any one better than any one else. That is why in Islam we dont give covenants to “free” peopel and not ban covenants from “slaves”

The true covenant of God is with people who truly know him and properly worship him and sincelerly are pious to his commands and orders.

Right at this moment every one of us can look up into teh sky and Talk to God.

Talk to him and tell him that he has made people slaves and made others free and then gave covenants to the free and not the slaves. I am sure your God will be pleased with you .

and btw as slavery is a parasite system that is man made it also is a system that is abolished by man . Sarah was given Hagar as a gift from teh King of Egypt. Sarah later freed her in order to marry Abraham. She has no longer control over her or can command her. It is a ligitimate wife with a ligitimate son .

Its really frustrating of how people can believed in a holy book of god that say that a prophet sleapt with his daughters and other killed tyo sin with someoneelses wife!!!

This is men gossiping and not God words!!

I pray for you .

Peace

Its strange that muslims feel that the entire Bible is doctored to remove all references to islam.

Firstly it would mean that jews and later christians, were aware of the coming of Mohammed, and deliberately set about changing the scripture to deny him.

Ofcourse this would require all of them to agree on how to change the scripture, which ofcourse is impossible, since the tribes were scattered and often fought with each other, how could they have changed the scripture? If they did, then there would be 2 -3 or even one hundred versions, but there arent, there are only many translations, but 1 hebrew Bible.

Also arabs were a bunch of savages compared to the jews, why would they bother to change the scripture, when they couldnt care less about the arabs?

However the point here is that Paul knew through the Holy Spirit about the advent of Islam,

In islam , we are all “abd” of “allah”

in Judaism and Christianity we are all children of G*d.

This is the prophecy of islam, and a reminder of the Truth

 

[hawk]

keyway.ca/htm2002/isaac.htm

Here is a good explanation of the meaning of "only son " that muslims love to deny.

The only son is specific to the covenant.

 

[exoflare]

meedo:

But according to the hadeeth we know for sure that the Torah was altered by men same as teh gospels you have . The whole thing about isac bieng the one who was to be slain is plain Jelousy from The people of Israel . They just couldnt take it , so they added on the Yee Isac part . It is really plain simple . The ONLY son is the OLDER son which is ishmael . He was Abraham son and was Ligitimate son .

Are you actually serious? This is too funny.

 

[exoflare]

hawk:

Its strange that muslims feel that the entire Bible is doctored to remove all references to islam.

Firstly it would mean that jews and later christians, were aware of the coming of Mohammed, and deliberately set about changing the scripture to deny him.

Ofcourse this would require all of them to agree on how to change the scripture, which ofcourse is impossible, since the tribes were scattered and often fought with each other, how could they have changed the scripture? If they did, then there would be 2 -3 or even one hundred versions, but there arent, there are only many translations, but 1 hebrew Bible.

But the HADEETH says so!

 

[Reuben_J]

meedo:

Its really frustrating of how people can believed in a holy book of god that say that a prophet sleapt with his daughters and other killed tyo sin with someoneelses wife!!!

This is men gossiping and not God words!!

I pray for you .

Peace

I can understand your deep objection (as the Quran differs in its information from the Bible). Fine.

Men gossiping? But you see, that can be said too of the Quran. It’s depend on which side of the fence you are.

Speaking as a Christian, I will take the information from the Bible as truth anytime, when it differs from the Quran in its account. For one, the Bible is some thousands years nearer to the actual happenings than the Quran. Other than that, we are merely ‘saying my scripture is truer than yours because I say so’.

There are things you don’t like to hear in the Bible, but that doesn’t make the information false. If King David killed the husband of the woman he wanted for himself, and you are scandalised by that, it doesn’t make that untrue. I would say this validates the Islamic understanding of Allah - merciful and forgiving. David was shown mercy by God when he repented. For his wrongdoing, it just goes to show he was just human and its no barrier for him to be elavated as true king/prophet of God. This certainly validates the Christians’ understanding of the merciful and forgiving God.

I’m giving the David’s story just as an example since we are not discussing this here.