Small changes to novus ordo

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I have never before heard that the phrase was controversial, but I am going to guess that there are less than1000 people in the country who get offended by the words “Novus Ordo”

However, I can avoid it for this convo
 
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Well my point is that watering down Roman Catholic liturgical music to emulate Protestant worship has done nothing to increase either Mass attendance (statistical fact) or devotion on the part of the faithful (opinion).
 
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All Novus Ordo means is New Order?
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Which had been pointed out in other threads as being a dog whistle and improper.

I don’t have a problem with it being called NO. The problem is that some people use it pejoratively.
 
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Not really a suggestion but more of clarification: have washing of the hands (lavabo) be mandatory. Too many priests in my diocese don’t do it for daily mass at all and for Sunday mass only do it if there are servers. I have heard a Priest even say “my hands are clean, I wash them before mass”.

Also when the congregation should kneel should be more uniformly enforced. My home parish doesn’t kneel after Agnus Dei or after communion, they stand. The Bishop in my diocese wants kneeling. Some parishes kneel, some don’t. The lack of uniformity makes it a bit stressful to be the one person kneeling in the back when everyone else stands
 
Hm. As an attendee and fan of the Novus Ordo, I have never found that term offensive at all. Using “Ordinary Form” makes it sound so ordinary and boring to me.
 
Pope Paul VI himself freely used the term. I consider it interchangeable with “Ordinary Form.”
Referring to the TLM as “Extraordinary” doesn’t bother me either. 😊
 
Well, the parish I have in mind has a decent number of Protestant converts. I don’t know about any grand program to introduce a guitar into parishes where it is not, but I am similarly skeptical to ban it where it appears to be working.

Also, the doctrinal content and music sung at this parish, is orders of magnitude better than a lot of the new hymns you will find in “Gather” et al.

Edit: I doubt that the converts were converted by the music, it is my opinion they imported it with them.
 
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Yes to be fair, I don’t think I know your parish and the music employed there. Not based on your description, anyway. 😉
 
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hahahahaha, fair enough. The situation is rare. But that is why I think, things like music, should be a parish-specific bottom up thing.
 
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Yes, the super awkward moment you kneel and no one else does, and then you go, “Should I get up? Oh my Gosh, too much time has passed. I gotta stay down. Shoot! My girlfriend isn’t kneeling though. SHe didnt get tricked!:”
 
I think the lavabo should be audible to the congregation. I also think that about “Blessed are you o God, through your goodness we have this …”
 
I can go along with the modern hymns, as vocal range restrictive as they are. But the musical accompaniment for the prayers–really??!! The Agnus Dei is an abject petition for mercy. The Gloria and Pater Noster are Holy Scripture. Even the Great Amen has to become a performance piece in some parishes.
 
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oh, yeah, there are excesses. I think the moment something becomes a performance piece, that is a problem. Whether it is as traditional as an opera, or as new as Matt Maher. The congregation should sing, and should sing with an affection appropriate to the content they are singing.
 
Personally, for me, I would like to see the following small changes (which are not to the missal, but the way the liturgy is executed by the priests).
  1. install or use the altar rails. Not mandatory though. In other words, for Churches that have them, the priest should stand behind the altar rail so those who want to kneel can easily do so. Others can stand, but standing behind the Altar Rail would be good for two reasons: (a) the minister would stand higher, which is good for standing and receiving on tongue. (b) individuals (esp those with bad knees) can kneel at altar rail.
  2. Offer the OF with Latin responses at least once a month and have at least one choir focused on Latin & chant. In my mind, the choir should not be singing the same old hymns sung when there is no choir.
  3. use the Roman Canon at least on Solemnities & some major feasts.
The only change to the actual Missal I wish they would do is having everyone kneel before starting the Agnus Dei. The Ordinariate does this and I think it actually works pretty well. So each person would give the kiss of peace and then kneel. Once all (or most) are kneeling, the priest starts the Agnus Dei.

God bless!
 
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