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Al_Masetti
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Is the problem about smoking tobacco? Or smoking marijuana? Or both? How does that work?
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Myangel
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I am a heavy HEAVY smoker. I have attempted to quit and failed. Actually the US had a pill/tablet (with some serious side effects) to help smokers quit, do they still sell this drug???Please pray for me that the day to quit will arrive REAL SOON! For some reason I just cant bring myself to quit, I dont know why. I am so attached to smoking I HATE IT
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Scottgun
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I will pray for you. While I have no experience with quitting a compulsive habit, I would suggest Bishop Sheen’s advice that instead of trying to force it out, crowd it out with something good you love more than smoking.
Please pray for me that the day to quit will arrive REAL SOON! For some reason I just cant bring myself to quit, I dont know why. I am so attached to smoking I HATE IT
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ElizabethPH
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I don’t know about any pill or drug that helps you quit. Whatever you use; there is no magic bullet. They are only tools to help you achieve your quit smoking goal.
Please pray for me that the day to quit will arrive REAL SOON! For some reason I just cant bring myself to quit, I dont know why. I am so attached to smoking I HATE IT
You are in my prayers as well. I can only speak from my own experience… And I only mention this, that maybe it might help you or someone else. I was a heavy smoker for years. I have quit for 5 1/2 yrs. It is a habit that’s why you are so attached to it. It’s an addiction. You have to learn other, good, healthy behaviours to take it’s place. Education was key for me. I had got a box of patches (nicotine patches) and cried my eyes out as I stuck one on…afraid it wouldn’t work. I followed the directions to the T and they did help me but I knew I needed to do something more…I searched all I could over the Internet and read about how to quit. I learned the things I had to do to keep the quit. And I still do them. I know how hard it is, insidious addiction is, and I could be right back there smoking like I never stopped. It is something I’ll have to work at all my life. Sure it gets easier. The first week is the toughest; it takes 30 days for a change in behavior to become a habit, and a minimum of six months for a habit to become a way of life. Know that the key to succeeding at cessation is believing you can do it, and then having the patience to let time give you some distance from the habit. I found a support group online as well. Believe in yourself and that you can quit! God Bless You…I know you can do it…I know this sounds awful cliche and all of that, but if I can quit anybody can! Believe me. You really got to want to, success in quitting smoking is based on the strength of the your own desire to quit.
Many of us slip several times over and over; that is normal…don’t beat yourself up about it…I believe each time we slip we can learn something from it and then get back on track. It’s all part of the process. Don’t ever give up trying to quit. One of these days it will stick.
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Aleii
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Scott,
I see you ignored the criticisms of the Kabat study that I posted. I see that you ignored the name that I posted in response to “name 3” which appears to meet the stringent criteria (of winning a court case) of the author. You just went right to the sentence where I stated I personally didn’t have time today to thoroughly review the “forces” website but was dubious about it due to the quote I posted from their website which seems to show quite a bias when they state that they are aligned with those who fight against antismoking. If you don’t want to debate the studies, then that’s fine, we don’t have to.
If you look at all the evidence that I posted, Scott, from the American and British Medical Associations, American Cancer Society, the World Health Organization, court verdict in favor of smoking hurting others, etc, and still don’t believe second hand smoke hurts others, that’s your prerogative and your conscious when your smoke causes others to cough, their eyes to water, and cellular detriments to occur.
The US health system is in a crisis. Healthcare is overwhelmed with patients and not enough staff. We really don’t need any more patients because of smoking!
(and thanks for sharing your experiences, Elizabeth!)
I see you ignored the criticisms of the Kabat study that I posted. I see that you ignored the name that I posted in response to “name 3” which appears to meet the stringent criteria (of winning a court case) of the author. You just went right to the sentence where I stated I personally didn’t have time today to thoroughly review the “forces” website but was dubious about it due to the quote I posted from their website which seems to show quite a bias when they state that they are aligned with those who fight against antismoking. If you don’t want to debate the studies, then that’s fine, we don’t have to.
If you look at all the evidence that I posted, Scott, from the American and British Medical Associations, American Cancer Society, the World Health Organization, court verdict in favor of smoking hurting others, etc, and still don’t believe second hand smoke hurts others, that’s your prerogative and your conscious when your smoke causes others to cough, their eyes to water, and cellular detriments to occur.
The US health system is in a crisis. Healthcare is overwhelmed with patients and not enough staff. We really don’t need any more patients because of smoking!
The drug that you are thinking of is probably Wellbutrin (bupropion). It is an antidepressant but this specific drug has the additional benefit of helping smokers quit. Talk to your primary care provider about getting this. Good luck Myangel. Quitting smoking is extremely difficult but well worth it. It is never too late! I’d suggest joining a support group to help with your goal. Good for you!
(and thanks for sharing your experiences, Elizabeth!)
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Aleii
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pnewton - good points
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Scottgun
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Actually I did not ignore, I simply missed your response. I don’t see anything compelling in them that warrants draconian state-bullying measures. Ever since the supposedly unbiased EPA had got their case thrown out on second hand smoke for essentially drawing the graph and then plotting the points shows that bias cuts both ways.
But who said I smoked around others without their permission? I don’t because it is rude, not because of the fantasy that they are going to drop dead of one puff of tobacco smoke.
Yes, which is why I am against immoderate smoking. I have never denied that primary smoking is potentially hazardous to health. Bringing us back to the subject: There is nothing objectively wrong with smoking in and of itself.The US health system is in a crisis. Healthcare is overwhelmed with patients and not enough staff. We really don’t need any more patients because of smoking!
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Al_Masetti
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If someone really truly wants to quit smoking and has found that other methods have failed to produce results and needs some help doing so, then he or she should seek out someone who uses EMI or EMDR as part of an intervention.
80% quit cold turkey.
The other 20% need to work a little harder.
EMI and / or EMDR can be very helpful in putting aside or shelving the drivers and habitual behaviors and subconscious thought patterns that combine to create recurrent behaviors.
And stay with it. After an initial session, and even after visualization of the usual behavior triggers, sometimes an unanticipated event will surface. So a second or third session may be needed. And the sessions may have to be more than just 50 minutes.
Persist.
80% quit cold turkey.
The other 20% need to work a little harder.
EMI and / or EMDR can be very helpful in putting aside or shelving the drivers and habitual behaviors and subconscious thought patterns that combine to create recurrent behaviors.
And stay with it. After an initial session, and even after visualization of the usual behavior triggers, sometimes an unanticipated event will surface. So a second or third session may be needed. And the sessions may have to be more than just 50 minutes.
Persist.
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Pug
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I knew a very heavy smoker who wanted to quit, but couldn’t. She went into the hospital for her hip. They simply didn’t let her smoke, and she was in for a long time. When she came out, she was transformed. I found out she had white hair!! She had someone come and completely clean out her apartment so that the walls weren’t so coated with smoke and the carpets didn’t smell. She was really going to town and loved it.I am so attached to smoking I HATE IT
It didn’t last. She was older and only had a small group of friends. They all smoked. Their favorite activity was to get together and drive to a casino to play bingo. Well, of course she only had two options that seemed open to her…give up her friends, or ride in the car with the smoke and eat with them in smoking sections, etc. She couldn’t bear to give the friends up. When she started smoking again, she seemed less happy.
No moral here, just one way to quit is to break your hip.:bigyikes: I hope you find a good way to quit (no broken bones).
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ElizabethPH
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There is a moral to me; she quit!!! She can do it again! She needs to make her quit her #1 priority. And as far as friends that smoke in a car with someone that doesn’t smoke…or friends that insist on sitting in the smoking section when they have non-smoking friends with them…aren’t very good friends. She has to decide how important her quit is to her…obviously her friends didn’t think it was important enough to even respect her a little bit. That makes me sad. friends support each other. But she doesn’t have to give up her friends. Maybe at first early on when you are the most vulnerable, a few months, maybe longer, whatever it takes before she can be comfortable around smokers again. Some folks never can get comfortable around it again…I can’t go to smokey places…the smoke just really gets to me, my eyes burn, my throat seizes up, and I can’t stand going home smelling like an ashtray! My friends that go to smokey places do it without me…but they are still my friends! We do other things together. I hope your friend tries again.
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Pug
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I have hoped so as well. We lost touch several years ago when I moved, so I’ve wondered if she managed to quit again and this time avoid the same pitfall. She seemed unhappy when I last saw her.
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Myangel
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Thanks for your responses guys! At the moment I am not ready to quit, I am hoping to stop when I get back from my trip to the US which is 13 Jan. So please pray for me that I succeed, this is one time I want to be a quitter
We do have a QUIT line here, they seem great, they call you every second day to see how you progress, so that will have to be one of my options. I have a pack of patches that stare at me every morning when I wake up, unused and abandoned. They remind me every day that I need to do something about it.
I dont have many people around me who smoke so it shouldnt be too much of a struggle especially with all the pubs and restaurants banning smoking now.
Thanks Pug, but I would rather quit without any broken bones, although the stress and axiety I felt when I attempted to quit the last time I am suprised I didnt break my fist/legs punching/climbing the walls
We do have a QUIT line here, they seem great, they call you every second day to see how you progress, so that will have to be one of my options. I have a pack of patches that stare at me every morning when I wake up, unused and abandoned. They remind me every day that I need to do something about it.
I dont have many people around me who smoke so it shouldnt be too much of a struggle especially with all the pubs and restaurants banning smoking now.
Thanks Pug, but I would rather quit without any broken bones, although the stress and axiety I felt when I attempted to quit the last time I am suprised I didnt break my fist/legs punching/climbing the walls
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catsrus
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I had to resurrect this after seeing this comment.
Yes, when I see that, I too shrink from it.
However, I once WAS that young woman. In the early and mid 60’s smoking was perfectly acceptable and the dangers relatively unknown.
Also, I smoked throughout my last 2 pregnancies. The 1st baby, when I never smoked was 6lb 5oz. The last 2, when I smoked were 8lb 2oz and 9lb respectively. So, I tend to question the adage that smoking causes low birth weight.
They were all healthy.
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