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I had become involved in the new age / occult, but have returned fully to the church. I’ve rid my home of pretty much everything that was associated with it… except my smudge shell and feather. I am Native American and part of me wants to keep this due to my heritage. I have used it for smudging my home, myself, etc in the past. When I did this I always prayed to God. Is there reason for me to get rid of this item as well? I don’t plan on ever using it for smudging ever again, although I would consider burning sage in it as incense since I love te smell.
 
As long as these items are purely cultural, historical and/or artistic artifacts, and you are not using for any ritual, I believe that is fine. To “start over” so to speak, you may want to have them blessed as special emblems of your heritage, not as religious articles. Anything can be blessed, some people even have their cars blessed.
 
Hi Rosepetal…good thread you started.
As a Native American, there are many Catholic Churches near, or on the Rez, that include smudging with the Holy Water prior to Mass.
Many Catholic Mission Churches here, and on the Rez have a abalone shell with Sage, or Cedar burning as one enters the Church next to the Holy Water Font. So, many smudge themselves before sitting at the pews, and place Holy Water on themselves as well.
As you know, smudging with sage has a potent effect on waging war on evil spirits like Holy
Water does. It is a herb, God the Creator gifted us with to use in prayer and in a good way.
Do you remember when Pope John Paul apologized to all Native American’s for many of the suffering’s/abuses done to them years ago?
He also gave approval for all Native American Catholics to use smudging as another sacramental in ceremony’s. I do not remember verbatim the other approvals he spoke of in regards to Native American traditions, in unison with Catholic tradition.
There are thousand’s of Native American Catholics who also maintain their Native Medicine
Ways in unison with their Catholic belief. 😉
When we watch the use of incense being burned and the Priest “smudges” the Holy Bible, the Altar, etc. during High Mass it has a similar way of purifying everything.
Chief Red Cloud was a Pipe Carrier, and a devout Catholic man.

PM me if you wish to share more on this.
 
Three eagle feathers had been given to me by my native Nation, in commemoration of some very public work I did many years ago. I am a lifelong Catholic. I had a beader attach the three feathers to a series of five beads, arranged like the drop on a rosary, and then attached the new item to the foot of my rather large wall crucifix that hangs in my dining room. My parish priest saw it on one occasion and thought it was an absolutely stunning testimony to both my Catholic faith and my Haudenossaune heritage.

Those of us who are native and Catholic have a difficult row to hoe: The rise of the native pride movement back in the seventies put many Catholic natives in the position of questioning their faith as being “white man’s religion,” and many left the Church (both the Catholic Church and Protestant denominations) to pursue what they thought was traditional religion of their people. As I’m sure you are aware, pan-Indianism and the popularity of native spiritual practices among nonnatives corrupted the traditional spiritual expressions, and it would require a native anthropologist to tease out what is real Indian religion versus what is new age practice. Some of us have even had our identity as Indians questioned because of our faith.

Although most of my relatives have been Catholic since the time of the Black Robes (and we later on even had a Jesuit priest in our family!) there are a couple who adhere to Longhouse, which is a monotheistic primitive religion of the Haudenossaune (Iroquois.) Some of the so-called popular native practices were never even a part of Longhouse. It is of interest to me that in one of the Longhouse seer’s visions, which is recited in the Longhouse every midwinter thanksgiving, Handsome Lake (the Longhouse seer) encountered Jesus in his vision, and the two conversed about the reluctance of most people to follow the ways of God. Certainly, after learning that, I found absolutely nothing incompatible with being both an American Indian woman and a faithful Catholic, which, after all, embraces the whole world and all people for all time.

I noticed that there is a prayer of thanksgiving for all of creation attributed to St. Francis of Assisi; to me, it is very reminiscent of the Iroquoian Thanksgiving Address.

The true red road suggests that one adhere to the teachings of one’s youth, because these are the teachings which formed you and most touched your heart. Therefore, if you were brought up, or converted to, Catholicism, be the best Catholic you can be!

And while you’re at it, pray for the cause of canonization of Blessed Kateri Tekawitha; her simple spirituality in a decidedly hostile environment will be very reminiscent of that of the Little Flower. In fact, she has been named, “The Lily of the Mohawks.”

Walk in the beauty of God’s loving kindness to all of His children, my friend!
 
Heya Odile!
Enjoyed your words you chose to write above.👍

Yes, Blessed Kateri Takakwitha is very special. Good reminder for sure.

May the Creator, Great Spirit, Lord God, shine a bright light on your trail forever and a day.
MITAKOYE OYASIN
 
Colville Nation (12 Confederated Tribes) and Salish Nations

Husband Navajo Nation
 
I had become involved in the new age / occult, but have returned fully to the church. I’ve rid my home of pretty much everything that was associated with it… except my smudge shell and feather. I am Native American and part of me wants to keep this due to my heritage. I have used it for smudging my home, myself, etc in the past. When I did this I always prayed to God. Is there reason for me to get rid of this item as well? I don’t plan on ever using it for smudging ever again, although I would consider burning sage in it as incense since I love te smell.
What is a smudging shell. I am not Native American so I have never heard of this. What is it used for?
 
Hi Josh! Appreciate your question.
The shell used commonly is usually an Abalone Shell. Modern term for jewelry, button’s and doo-dad’s made from this shell is the words Mother of Pearl.
Many Coastal Nations used Abalone Shell as a form of money even 100 years ago.

The Buffalo Sage, or Cedar is placed in the Abalone Shell and lit. Other plants, given by Our Creator, God, can also be used.

It is good and also Holy. God Bless.
 
I would give them to your priest and get a new feather and shell which have not been used for anything. Have them blessed by your priest and keep and use them for the purpose of worshiping Christ.
 
I would give them to your priest and get a new feather and shell which have not been used for anything. Have them blessed by your priest and keep and use them for the purpose of worshiping Christ.
Do you know what Pope John Paul stated not too many years ago in regards to the use of
certain forms of worship, and tools by Native American’s?

Are you Native American? Do you have a smudge bowl, and some sage, or cedar to burn?

May God bless you !
 
If you look through some history, several chiefs were devout Catholics. Sitting Bull comes immediately to mind. Once our people converted, they were almost scrupulous in their practice of the faith, and their piety would put many other people to shame. I had a grandmother, a tall, slender Seneca woman, who fell into the “more Catholic than the Pope” category, who assumed responsibility for the home catechesis of her grandchildren when my parents’ generation got a little lax. Her uncle was the priest (he died before I was born.) One of her sisters and one of her first cousins were nuns.

I recall hearing “something” Pope John Paul II said about indigenous practices and Catholicism, but can’t recall what precisely it was that he said. Does anyone have any references to a bull or other document of his teaching on this?

If I get a chance over the next few days I will try to research what, if anything, there is in the Catechism about indigenous practices. I do know that some caution has been attached to avoid letting popular piety fall into the category of superstition. I also recall that when I was “back home” (the reservation where I was born,) cedar was used as incense during the Mass celebrated in Mohawk (which was sung, much like a Missa Cantata.) Apparently, at that Mass, people who regularly attend all sit with their own clan, much like is done in the Longhouse.

It’s just my opinion, of course, but it seems that these things (the use of the eagle feather, the use of the traditional medicine herbs and botanicals in the liturgy,) should be reserved for use by our own people, and not made a common part of liturgy, since they would have no meaning for others. It’s a little tiresome to have our cultural artifacts and practices co-opted by “Indian wannabes.” I think that is how the new age things “snuck in” to traditional practices, and would hate to see it translate into new age infiltration into traditional native American Catholicism.
 
Do you know what Pope John Paul stated not too many years ago in regards to the use of
certain forms of worship, and tools by Native American’s?

Are you Native American? Do you have a smudge bowl, and some sage, or cedar to burn?

May God bless you !
In your original question, you asked:
I had become involved in the new age / occult, but have returned fully to the church. I’ve rid my home of pretty much everything that was associated with it… except my smudge shell and feather. I am Native American and part of me wants to keep this due to my heritage. I have used it for smudging my home, myself, etc in the past. When I did this I always prayed to God. Is there reason for me to get rid of this item as well? I don’t plan on ever using it for smudging ever again, although I would consider burning sage in it as incense since I love the smell.
Going on that information, I’m giving my best advice, which is that you should make a clean break spiritually, psycholocially and physically from anything that doesn’t remind you of a life** totally **devoted to Christ – not just “God” in whatever sense you may have worshiped Him in the past. (I apologize for not being familiar with your spirituality. I only have a Cherokee concept of “Grandfather Spirit”, which is basically deism mixed with pantheism, not a Trinitarian worship. So have mercy on my ignorance!)

When I became a Christian, I immediately got rid of my sage, shells, seeds, books, runes, crystals – in short, ANYTHING that reminded me of my past life or anything that I was even a teensie bit unsure about. My thoughts were only about pleasing Jesus. It was kinda’ like going cold turkey for an alcoholic, LOL!

A new shell and feather can be used for burning incense or sage (which is a very lovely frangrance) as an offering – a sweet smell – for your beloved Jesus, along with the adoration and love you give Him in your prayers. It’s a way to honor your heritage and the Lord. It’s as if you are saying, both at once, “I honor and love my God – the God of my life, the God of my forebears and the God Who made the Earth and all its goods.”
 
If you look through some history, several chiefs were devout Catholics. Sitting Bull comes immediately to mind. Once our people converted, they were almost scrupulous in their practice of the faith, and their piety would put many other people to shame. I had a grandmother, a tall, slender Seneca woman, who fell into the “more Catholic than the Pope” category, who assumed responsibility for the home catechesis of her grandchildren when my parents’ generation got a little lax. Her uncle was the priest (he died before I was born.) One of her sisters and one of her first cousins were nuns.

I recall hearing “something” Pope John Paul II said about indigenous practices and Catholicism, but can’t recall what precisely it was that he said. Does anyone have any references to a bull or other document of his teaching on this?

If I get a chance over the next few days I will try to research what, if anything, there is in the Catechism about indigenous practices. I do know that some caution has been attached to avoid letting popular piety fall into the category of superstition. I also recall that when I was “back home” (the reservation where I was born,) cedar was used as incense during the Mass celebrated in Mohawk (which was sung, much like a Missa Cantata.) Apparently, at that Mass, people who regularly attend all sit with their own clan, much like is done in the Longhouse.

It’s just my opinion, of course, but it seems that these things (the use of the eagle feather, the use of the traditional medicine herbs and botanicals in the liturgy,) should be reserved for use by our own people, and not made a common part of liturgy, since they would have no meaning for others. It’s a little tiresome to have our cultural artifacts and practices co-opted by “Indian wannabes.” I think that is how the new age things “snuck in” to traditional practices, and would hate to see it translate into new age infiltration into traditional native American Catholicism.
Couldn’t agree more!
 
I had become involved in the new age / occult, but have returned fully to the church. I’ve rid my home of pretty much everything that was associated with it… except my smudge shell and feather. I am Native American and part of me wants to keep this due to my heritage. I have used it for smudging my home, myself, etc in the past. When I did this I always prayed to God. Is there reason for me to get rid of this item as well? I don’t plan on ever using it for smudging ever again, although I would consider burning sage in it as incense since I love te smell.
there is nothing wrong with clinging to cultural customs if you have a firm grasp of your Catholic faith, and know the difference between what is merely culture, and what is actually supernatural (the rites of the Church for instance). If you are doing something to make the house smell better, fine. If you are doing it in an attempt to achieve some supernatural contact or control, that is when it becomes superstition and can even become sinful.

for instance an Asian person who keeps a buddha statue as a link to his heritage is not worshipping an idol (unless he thinks he is)
 
If you look through some history, several chiefs were devout Catholics. Sitting Bull comes immediately to mind. Once our people converted, they were almost scrupulous in their practice of the faith, and their piety would put many other people to shame. I had a grandmother, a tall, slender Seneca woman, who fell into the “more Catholic than the Pope” category, who assumed responsibility for the home catechesis of her grandchildren when my parents’ generation got a little lax. Her uncle was the priest (he died before I was born.) One of her sisters and one of her first cousins were nuns.

I recall hearing “something” Pope John Paul II said about indigenous practices and Catholicism, but can’t recall what precisely it was that he said. Does anyone have any references to a bull or other document of his teaching on this?

If I get a chance over the next few days I will try to research what, if anything, there is in the Catechism about indigenous practices. I do know that some caution has been attached to avoid letting popular piety fall into the category of superstition. I also recall that when I was “back home” (the reservation where I was born,) cedar was used as incense during the Mass celebrated in Mohawk (which was sung, much like a Missa Cantata.) Apparently, at that Mass, people who regularly attend all sit with their own clan, much like is done in the Longhouse.

It’s just my opinion, of course, but it seems that these things (the use of the eagle feather, the use of the traditional medicine herbs and botanicals in the liturgy,) should be reserved for use by our own people, and not made a common part of liturgy, since they would have no meaning for others. It’s a little tiresome to have our cultural artifacts and practices co-opted by “Indian wannabes.” I think that is how the new age things “snuck in” to traditional practices, and would hate to see it translate into new age infiltration into traditional native American Catholicism.
Agree with your last paragraph totally. Well stated Sister.
 
I am so glad I posted. Thank you all so much for your replies! My grandmother grew up in a catholic orphanage. Any tradition was lost and we have had to work hard to learn about our heritage. I had no idea that so many native peoples were catholic (historically). I definitely want to learn more.

I did a search and on the Vatican website there is some info on Pope John Pauls speech and visit. I’m sorry I can’t post a link, I am writing from my iPod. But if I figure it out I will.

I have decided that I will get rid of my abalone shell and feather. They are not sentimental to my family and they certainly can be replaced. I do plan on buying new ones and new sage and cedar. I already threw away the last batch of sage I had purchased as it was from a new age shop and I was not comfortable, knowing what they practice there, I cannot know for sure that nobody had placed any type of “blessing”, etc on it. I do need a clean start 🙂
 
I am so glad I posted. Thank you all so much for your replies! My grandmother grew up in a catholic orphanage. Any tradition was lost and we have had to work hard to learn about our heritage. I had no idea that so many native peoples were catholic (historically). I definitely want to learn more.

I did a search and on the Vatican website there is some info on Pope John Pauls speech and visit. I’m sorry I can’t post a link, I am writing from my iPod. But if I figure it out I will.

I have decided that I will get rid of my abalone shell and feather. They are not sentimental to my family and they certainly can be replaced. I do plan on buying new ones and new sage and cedar. I already threw away the last batch of sage I had purchased as it was from a new age shop and I was not comfortable, knowing what they practice there, I cannot know for sure that nobody had placed any type of “blessing”, etc on it. I do need a clean start 🙂
On second thought, I think I will first see if my parish priest will bless them. I guess I myself am a bit attached, as we purchased them on our one trip to the Cherokee reservation. The feather is a hawk feather and has beautiful beadwork on it. I don’t know if we will ever get there again.
 
I’d consider having the feather blessed, and perhaps incorporating it into some sort of shrine-like prayer area, with some more traditional Catholic imagery, such as a statue or picture that particularly resonates with you. Perhaps you might like to hang the feather on the corner of a picture of Our Lady of Guadelupe, and use the abalone shell as a votive candleholder underneath it.

Good move, getting rid of the sage that came from the new age store. I’d only use sage or sweetgrass that could be obtained directly from native sources. And BTW, I’d be cautious too about anyone who advertised themselves as a medicine man (e.g., I would not buy sage there,) but I suppose you know that already.

FWIW, I once saw a Dine-made (that would be Navajo,) Catholic Rosary, that had sterling crucifix, centerpiece and chain, turquoise nugget beads, and a couple of patron saint medals attached to it. Added to the patron saint medal attachments were a couple of sterling eagle feathers. Absolutely gorgeous, very Southwestern, and waaaaay too rich for my blood!
 
We gather Sweet Grass and Buffalo Sage up in eastern Wash., Montana and South Dakota during the hot Summer time.
It is nice as we can pray and sing holy song’s as we gather these good plants for use.
 
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