So, did you see the new Star Wars movie yet?

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Indeed, Episode VII was full of holes in a variety of spots, including Finn and the light saber. I also agree about Sigourney’s character, at least in the early Alien. She was a reluctant hero. Reminds me a little of Furiosa in Mad Max - she was tough, but she was reluctant, she was escaping the rough life, and she was maternal in a sense, trying to protect the younger women.
I think it remains to be seen whether Finn’s use of the light saber is a plot hole or not. In future installments, that could be explained. There might end up being a reason for it. Maybe he’s the long-lost progeny of Mace Windu. 😛
 
I think it remains to be seen whether Finn’s use of the light saber is a plot hole or not. In future installments, that could be explained. There might end up being a reason for it. Maybe he’s the long-lost progeny of Mace Windu. 😛
That’s possible, but I thought the poor guy was simply desperate and used what he had to hand–a light saber. He knew he wasn’t up to the task–after all he got his butt kicked and nearly died. He used it because he wanted to save Rey. Quite noble, yes? Using a weapon he knew wasn’t meant for him out of love for another person. He did pretty well with it–after all, as a First Order soldier he must have had some hand-to-hand combat training. He was my favorite character, actually. He left the Order because he couldn’t stand the senseless killing. Brave, good man I say.
 
Finn to me came across as the most sympathetic character in the movie. Ray may be more overpowered than is necessary but she is no Mary Sue.
 
I’ve always been a bit put off by the Stormtroopers being nothing more than cannon fodder. Why do they serve so loyally? Why are they such easy targets for the good guys? One of the things I liked in the Lord of the Rings was Sam wondering about the life and fate of a dead Eastern soldier. It gave the story more heart unlike so many cartoon characters we see on the screen now days.
 
I sooo agree with that!! I find it quite disturbing. Of course, Hollywood wants women to act like men because it suppresses were a woman’s true power lies-in her fertility, having and raising children.

And of course, I saw absolutely nothing wrong with Princess Leia in original three films-she was very capable.
I was told at a young age that I may not be able to have kids. So I must be powerless since I am not fertile.

There is more to being a woman than being fertile and bearing children.

By the way how does fertility equal power? A pregnant woman is quite vulnerable.
 
I was told at a young age that I may not be able to have kids. So I must be powerless since I am not fertile.

There is more to being a woman than being fertile and bearing children.

By the way how does fertility equal power? A pregnant woman is quite vulnerable.
Fertility governs the next generation; biologically, that would be the acme of power.

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I’ve always been a bit put off by the Stormtroopers being nothing more than cannon fodder. Why do they serve so loyally? Why are they such easy targets for the good guys? One of the things I liked in the Lord of the Rings was Sam wondering about the life and fate of a dead Eastern soldier. It gave the story more heart unlike so many cartoon characters we see on the screen now days.
No doubt that will be built on in E8 and 9.

There had never been a defector from the Stormtroopers before. Probably because of very effective brainwashing.

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I think it remains to be seen whether Finn’s use of the light saber is a plot hole or not. In future installments, that could be explained. There might end up being a reason for it. Maybe he’s the long-lost progeny of Mace Windu. 😛
Could be!! Or it could be like Lost where they bit off more than they could chew and didn’t even bother to explain most of it. 😃
 
I was told at a young age that I may not be able to have kids. So I must be powerless since I am not fertile.

There is more to being a woman than being fertile and bearing children.

By the way how does fertility equal power? A pregnant woman is quite vulnerable.
The maternal and feminine gifts exists even in celibate nuns. The best nurturing, empathetic, comforting woman is a gift of good influence, molds others well, brings out the best in others, has character intuition, and plenty more––women can probably provide even more insight on that. I think the criticism of Rey (and other aggressive female characters) is that many hardcore feminists think strength in women must come in the form of imitation of males, i.e. especially physical strength and dexterity. And so Hollywood ends up with small women punching out big men, etc… and it’s silly and insulting to think a woman can only be “strong” if she can physically overpower bigger men and have superior dexterity.
 
The maternal and feminine gifts exists even in celibate nuns. The best nurturing, empathetic, comforting woman is a gift of good influence, molds others well, brings out the best in others, has character intuition, and plenty more––women can probably provide even more insight on that. I think the criticism of Rey (and other aggressive female characters) is that many hardcore feminists think strength in women must come in the form of imitation of males, i.e. especially physical strength and dexterity. And so Hollywood ends up with small women punching out big men, etc… and it’s silly and insulting to think a woman can only be “strong” if she can physically overpower bigger men and have superior dexterity.
Well empathetic, nurturing and comforting do not make for exciting movies. Hollywood likes flash and action. Thus the fight scenes that sometimes defy the laws of physics.
 
Apparently the movie just became the highest grossing film of all time in North America (not adjusted for inflation), booting out James Cameron’s Avatar for that title:

hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-star-wars-force-852274

Can’t say I’m exactly surprised, but that was pretty fast. Movie hasn’t even been out for three weeks. If I remember right, it took Avatar a few months to reach that number.

Not sure it’s going to beat out Avatar in worldwide sales, but if any movie could, it’d probably be this one.
 
Apparently the movie just became the highest grossing film of all time in North America (not adjusted for inflation), booting out James Cameron’s Avatar for that title:

hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-star-wars-force-852274

Can’t say I’m exactly surprised, but that was pretty fast. Movie hasn’t even been out for three weeks. If I remember right, it took Avatar a few months to reach that number.

Not sure it’s going to beat out Avatar in worldwide sales, but if any movie could, it’d probably be this one.
I credit all the hoopla, the well-planned and executed promotion–all Star Wars all the time as it seemed to me, for the numbers. When it comes right down to it, if it hadn’t had a huge fan base or if it had been a new idea for a movie, it’d have disappeared from the screens within a couple of weeks. It doesn’t hold up to the original three films–none of the sequels have. It only goes to show that people love myth, things they are already familiar with, and those things that dazzle their senses. Disney did an excellent job taking advantage of all that. But it will fade from memory quickly only to be replaced by the next epic film–the next Star Trek or Avengers extravaganza. The public’s appetite for such fare is insatiable–which Hollywood knows full well. These are the money maker films which enable them to make the “serious” films that no one goes to see except the critics. 😛
 
I credit all the hoopla, the well-planned and executed promotion–all Star Wars all the time as it seemed to me, for the numbers. When it comes right down to it, if it hadn’t had a huge fan base or if it had been a new idea for a movie, it’d have disappeared from the screens within a couple of weeks. It doesn’t hold up to the original three films–none of the sequels have. It only goes to show that people love myth, things they are already familiar with, and those things that dazzle their senses. Disney did an excellent job taking advantage of all that. But it will fade from memory quickly only to be replaced by the next epic film–the next Star Trek or Avengers extravaganza. The public’s appetite for such fare is insatiable–which Hollywood knows full well. These are the money maker films which enable them to make the “serious” films that no one goes to see except the critics. 😛
Oh no doubt, the movie was going to be a success no matter what. So many things were already working in its favor. There was no way they were going to lose money. I just personally wasn’t expecting it to be THIS big, this fast.

I think the hoopla helped initially, but it’s also getting a ton of repeat viewings. That’s where it’s all coming from, as is usually the case.

I agree it doesn’t hold up to the first two, (nothing can) but it holds its own pretty well against Jedi IMO. The two have a lot in common. Awakens did some things a little better I thought. But Jedi did better on other things.

I do doubt the future Star Wars films will be as successful. They just won’t be able to recreate the hype this one had. Although who knows.
 
well I was very disappointed with the movie. In fact, I was bored 10 minutes into it. The real reason I didn’t like it is that I had seen this movie before, almost scene for scene. Yep, total rip off of the first film.

Another thing I noticed was that there was no variation in pacing. It was BAM, BAM, BAM. With no pauses between the action you had no time to get to know the new characters. All you really got was a new Luke Skywalker in female form, a new Darth Vader who was a joke, and a bigger Death Star.

a truly missed opportunity to carry the story forward.
 
I didn’t feel any sense of wonder from this film. It was sad seeing Carrie Fisher looking and sounding like Patricia Neal in those denture commercials. Harrison Ford made a game effort but he was not believable as a smuggler in his 70’s, running and jumping during blaster fights. I never understood the motivation of the bad guy to become a new Darth Vader, nor did the plot seem overly coherent to me. All those people risked and lost their lives - because Luke Skywalker had gone into hiding?

Ultimately I didn’t care much about the fate of the new characters. The 1990s-era prequels may have had too much cgi and Jar Jar Binks, but at least they offered views of spectacles on a grand scale not seen by humans before.

I’m not even opposed to a little nostalgia per se, but I expected something a bit more original from J.J. Abrams.
 
I was wondering if those steps were real or part of a manufactured or digitally created set. They certainly looked real (and ancient).
 
Apparently the movie just became the highest grossing film of all time in North America (not adjusted for inflation)
I’m not even opposed to a little nostalgia per se, but I expected something a bit more original from J.J. Abrams.
Here’s the thing - and I say this as an observing marketing professional - Disney does not take gambles. Or if they do, it’s extremely rare. They bought Marvel and Lucasfilm and ESPN because they identify money-makers that have an established brand - a brand that’s not fading anytime soon. The problem with “safe” brands is that producers don’t have as much incentive to make something really “great” or “original” because the people are going to show up for it anyway, and a lot of them are going to automatically like it as long as it’s not completely off the rails. And to paraphrase what I said earlier, people are, of course, free to enjoy what they please. :o
 
Well it probably helped protect the island so not money wasted in my book.
 
Here’s the thing - and I say this as an observing marketing professional - Disney does not take gambles. Or if they do, it’s extremely rare. They bought Marvel and Lucasfilm and ESPN because they identify money-makers that have an established brand - a brand that’s not fading anytime soon. The problem with “safe” brands is that producers don’t have as much incentive to make something really “great” or “original” because the people are going to show up for it anyway, and a lot of them are going to automatically like it as long as it’s not completely off the rails. And to paraphrase what I said earlier, people are, of course, free to enjoy what they please. :o
All depressingly true.
 
Agreed, guardrails would completely ruin the effect. And a book of photos of those remote and inaccessible monasteries would be a welcome addition to anyone’s coffee table.
 
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