So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

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slammers007 said:
I really don’t understand the necessity of the change. I really don’t like
it and question the wisdom of further alienating Catholics. I really felt a loss at mass this evening.
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The change I believe is necessary. We used to have a rather flat version of the Liturgy.

We need to remember that at the Eucharist we are participating in the Heavenly liturgy.

I think this comment by Fr Barron will help.

http://www.wordonfire.org/WOF-TV/Co...n-comments-on-the-new-translation-of-the.aspx

Sure we will feel unsure for the first few weeks but believe me, you get used to it very quickly.

We are lucky because we started the new responses last January. So by now, most have got it all down pat. It get’s easier and easier and in a few months you will be used to it.
 
Irishgal49 said:
The church was breathtakingly beautiful this morning. I will say that I am used to BLUE for Advent but since purple is my favorite color–I’m loving it!! The Advent wreath is so pretty!! I want one!

I did participate in the new responses but I was sure confused! Between all the page flipping and my belting out “AND ALSO WITH YOU” I left feeling like mass was a mess! I love my Sunday missal, it has the Eucharistic prayers and I will say that they are breathtakingly beautiful although they seem very clumsy to read out loud.

I did participate in every inch of the mass but still do NOT like the "I’m not worthy …under my roof…stuff that just takes away the comfort I used to glean when I was wrestling up to the last minute with whether or not to take communion. I could care less about someone’s house, it’s ME feeling unworthy…it just doesn’t get it for me and is distracting. All in all, most people seemed to get it all right.

I was sad not hearing, “free us from all anxiety”…that meant the world to me as I suffer with a crippling anxiety disorder. The word distress sounds so impersonal…but it didn’t bother me as much as I thought it would. I simply added, “free me from all anxiety Lord” after Fr Dan finished and felt OK with that.

After mass I heard someone say, “I thought Catholics didn’t believe in consubstantiation.” I was stunned that this man even could SAY that word much less know it’s historical place in the Lutheran religion. I could see he was upset. I said, “That word was referring to the relationship of Jesus to the Father not the Eucharist.” and he said, “Oh OK”. That was my biggest objection in the changes to the Nicene Creed.

But…I listened and everyone said the word consubstantiation correctly so that was good. I did see a few rosaries come out (an old couple), and a few people shove the missellette books back in the rack and stop responding (3 or 4 people), almost no one was singing but it’s hard…it’s the only mass I’ve known and maybe that’s true for others. About 1/2 said, “And also with you” including me once. It just FITS even though I know the Latin. I can live with it but I see myself still saying it wrong a year from now when I don’t stop and think. Every time I said, “And with your spirit” I kept picturing Casper the friendly ghost standing next to Fr Dan…like a pet ghost??? I don’t know, I’m weird what can I say?

UGH…I really put effort into it but I really don’t like it…I guess this is just going to take a LOT longer for some of us than others. Overall the church tried hard but you could see some were upset, others were confused, and most were flipping around trying to figure out what was going on, almost no one sang, I think they were too busy looking at the pages and responses.

Blessings to all on this first Sunday in Advent–in spite of all the changes our parish did surprisingly well and the priest was warm and affirming.
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, we started with the new responses in January so it is all rather painless now.

As regards “and with your spirit” I think you may find this article helpful.

http://www.cam.org.au/hartbeat-2011/and-with-your-spirit.html
 
Like most there was some stumbling over the change to “and with your spirit.”

The biggest (joyful) surprise was when Father chanted the preface (chant is rarely heard in our parish). Given that it’s a fairly modernist parish I was surprised that when Father intoned “Dominus vobiscum” rather than “The Lord be with you.” The funny thing is the people easily responded with "Et cum spiritu tuo" without a stumble.* 🤷*

I do wish we had done the Confiteor, but Father did say in his homily he is happy with the change that bring back a sense of reverence to the mass so there is hope we will do it more often. He also said that we were lucky that we knew what was coming. He related how he was an altar boy when the new mass was installed in the 60’s and one Sunday there was an altar rail and Latin, the next Sunday everything was in English and they had actually removed the rail at his parish. His point was the Mass is eternal and if the Church survived the changes in the 60’s, then there really is no reason to grouse about the minor changes that were made.
 
mikeanayaus said:
At today’s anticipated mass everything went down smoothly for the most part. The first few "and with your spirit’s came out sounding like and also your spirit since about half the people responded with “and also with you.” I think that surprisingly the part that tripped most people up was the “Lord I am not worthy.” I couldn’t help but notice how much more expressive the prayers were, especially the collect (?) and the Eucharistic Prayer. The new translation is absolutely beautiful! 👍
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I heard a lot of: “And also with you, and with your spirit.” As if they forgot but remembered in a split second and added it. My parish is not a young parish, so this may be a long process.:o This said, they were all very good natured and positive about it.👍 We have such sweet, holy, elderly people, they are so precious.🙂
 
Has anyone gone to a church where they may have projected the responses on the screen vs depending on the pew cards, and if so how did that go?
 
I’m loving the changes.

Our Priest spoke to some length about the changes during the homily.
He told us he was the ones responsible for the push to the vernacular and it looks like he will be around for a resurgence of Latin.

Mass lasted much longer then usual. Father would halt and make us do a repeat every time there was a mistake.
And of course there were a number of visitors for the Thanksgiving weekend, so the classes that were held throughout the year to prep for this went out the window.

We had no projector or pew cards at all, we just had the book in front of us with the proper responses.
 
MissRose73 said:
Has anyone gone to a church where they may have projected the responses on the screen vs depending on the pew cards, and if so how did that go?
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We have 2 screens behind the altar. We still had about half the church saying “And also with you.” A lot of it depends on the skill of the projectionist, he/she has to put the words up a few seconds before we are supposed to respond.

And they messed up the Hosannah, which confused even the cantor. The old one was

Holy, Holy, Holy Lord
God of power, God of might etc.

The new one is

Holy, Holy, Holy (hold the “y” sound)
Lord of power and might etc.

No one knew what to do with the way they wrote it, it was a huge mess

Even with the screen, almost no one said “I am not worthy that you should come under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”

🤷
 
Usige said:
Like most there was some stumbling over the change to “and with your spirit.”

The biggest (joyful) surprise was when Father chanted the preface (chant is rarely heard in our parish). Given that it’s a fairly modernist parish I was surprised that when Father intoned “Dominus vobiscum” rather than “The Lord be with you.” The funny thing is the people easily responded with "Et cum spiritu tuo" without a stumble.* 🤷*
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That’s awesome!

You know, “et cum spiritu tuo” is so Catholic. I wish we could keep that even if the rest of the mass is in the vernacular.
 
slammers007 said:
I really don’t understand the necessity of the change. I really don’t like
it and question the wisdom of further alienating Catholics. I really felt a loss at mass this evening.
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As I understand it, it is a much more accurate translation of the Latin and Greek found in the early masses. I am sorry you are so quick to put it down. Those of us who have not forgotten the Latin mass know all too well that the new responses harken back to the mass that was used for centuries. I hope you will look at it with a more forgiving eye in the future.
 
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JReducation said:
I agree with you. I was so excited when I went to bed last night that I hardly slept. When we were getting ready to go to mass, I keep rushing the brothers to go. I was standing at the bottom of the stairs shouting for them to come down. That’s how excited I was, like a kid at Christmas.

Suddenly, the front door opened and in came one of the brothers and said, “So what are you waiting for? We’ve been sitting outside waiting for you for five minutes.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
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We actually didn’t even use it (except for a few parts). The cantor couldn’t make it, and the priest said (since he didn’t know the music to the sung parts) , we would just use the old parts. Why we just couldn’t recite the new parts, I can’t say. We had terrible preparation for all of this. The most that was done was the handing out of pew cards for the past few weeks, which we didn’t use. I guess we were just supposed to get used to holding them? Also, the priest has had absolutely nothing good to say about the new translation, in fact he has continually made fun of it from the start.

It is very disheartening.
 
It went really well at my parish. Father seemed enthusiastic about the Mass, even though in his homily he said how worried he was that he would mess up and make mistakes. He had said in a previous Mass that the new transIation was more faithful to the original Latin. I was in the back of the Church, but from what I could tell, most of the parishioners responded with the former, “and also with you.”

After this Mass, I headed down to attend the 12:00pm Mass at the cathedral, since the pastor there has been opposed to the new translation, even though he is resolved to using it. He said in his homily that he would encourage everyone to write to the Church authorities to tell them if they like the new translation, or if they don’t like the new translation. The cathedral Mass seemed to be a different format than the diocesan parish Mass, but Father did a great job with adhering to the new format, and except for the homily, it would not be obvious that he is opposed to it.

Interestingly, most of the parishioners responded with the new, “and with your spirit,”
at the cathedral Mass. Father had also mentioned that he thinks that the new emphasis on prayers will distract away from our meeting with Our Lord. I wish I could have a better understanding of what he means by this. I understand that it must be difficult for him, after having celebrated the Mass in one way for forty or so years.
 
The new translation went off about as well as could be expected, given that we are Californians, and we didn’t practice at all. We did have some “cheat sheets” in the pews, which people did use. Mostly people got the right response at the right time. Father got turned around in a couple spots, but got back on track quickly. It wasn’t perfect, but hey, we’re all going to come back next week and try again.
 
When I read through some of the Mass changes, I immediately remembered very similar words from the Mass when it was first translated from Latin to English when I was about 6 or 7 years old. Does anyone remember the Creed translation from that period? I was wondering if the word “consubstantial” was used or “one in being”? Can anyone help me with this? I understand the reasoning behind the use of the term “consubstantial”, and am not opposed to it like some are.
 
It went pretty well. I went to a neighboring parish with my mom and not my own. At the parish I went to, they had not instituted any of the changes early, but they did have classes for those interested. They had cards in the pews with the new order and before Mass Father had everyone practice the “And with your spirit” and the Nicene Creed.

They do not sing the Gloria during Advent so we didn’t do that.

Most people were pretty good about saying the new responses, but you could hear a few people saying the old ones in the mix.

I’d say the part that tripped the most people up (including me) was the Creed, “By the Holy Spirit, was incarnate…” I heard a lot of people get mixed up and say “power.” I think this also had to do with the fact that on the card, that part is harder to read along with since it has the "All bow up until the line “and became man.”

The celebrant did very well; he is from India and not a native English speaker, but did very well!
 
At the Mass I attended, we stumbled a few times, but how hearts were in it… 🙂
 
It sounded like most folks just used the old responses. 😃

Pretty funny. I really liked the new translation myself- especially the Nicene Creed.
 
Usige said:
The biggest (joyful) surprise was when Father chanted the preface (chant is rarely heard in our parish). Given that it’s a fairly modernist parish I was surprised that when Father intoned “Dominus vobiscum” rather than “The Lord be with you.” The funny thing is the people easily responded with "Et cum spiritu tuo" without a stumble.* 🤷*
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Actually that makes a lot of sense to me. There are still plenty of people who remember responding, “Et cum spiritu tuo,” and even younger people who may never have attended a Mass with Latin responses have sometimes heard it on television or in movies. And if it is chanted people tend to remember even better.

I’m kind of curious if people had an easier time saying, “And with your spirit,” in Masses where it was spoken or in Masses where it was chanted (and the priest chanted, “The Lord be with you,” using the same tones as with the previous translation.)
 
It seemed to go alight. I was surprised that the names of St. Michael, St. John the Baptist, and Saints Peter and Paul were not restored to the confiteor, though.
 
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