So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

[Phaedra777]

Our Pastor had prepped us a few weeks prior to the changes taking effect. Also, there were reminders in the bulletins.

At Mass, we all had the pamphlets in hand as Mass began. When we got to the first, “And with your Spirit.”, we nailed it. Father said, “Very good!” We all laughed!

 

[JReducation]

As I was standing in the confessional line today, there was a baptismal event occuring at the same time. About 50 attendees for two baptisms in English. Anyway, the priest started “The Lord be with you” and I just heard a somewhat subdued “And also with you.”

Although this wasn’t a liturgy per se, it does seem inconsistent to have one response for the Mass and another for other occasions.

Actually, you’re supposed to use the new responses in all the rites, even in the Liturgy of the Hours. The blessing at the end of the LOTH has changed to “And with your spirit.”

The Book of Rites is not going to be changed. There is nothing wrong with that translation. The minister just has to transfer the words from the mass into the rites. Nor is the breviary going to be changed until the new liturgical calendar comes out. What they have done is print supplements.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[YoungTradCath]

Actually, you’re supposed to use the new responses in all the rites, even in the Liturgy of the Hours. The blessing at the end of the LOTH has changed to “And with your spirit.”

The Book of Rites is not going to be changed. There is nothing wrong with that translation. The minister just has to transfer the words from the mass into the rites. Nor is the breviary going to be changed until the new liturgical calendar comes out. What they have done is print supplements.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

I don’t doubt you, but where does this information come from?

We had, it seems, a rather passionate battle on this forum a few months ago about whether or not the new mass responses should be injected into baptisms, for example, even though the order for that rite has not been re-translated yet.

 

[benedictus2]

That’s how people should be saying it. God is not a he. God is God. It was a male dominated society hundreds of years ago which made God a he. I for one, and I think most Catholics of my generation and my parents generation, understand this and make the appropriate changes to refer to God as God.

That for one is one thing I wish they would have fixed the God/he in the new translation. But that would be the Vatican looking forward with the rest of society to the 21st century, vs backwards to the 14th century.

That is just plain rubbish.

Out of the mouth of Christ came the reference to God as Father. Christ is a Man.

Why should we follow the very secular, anti-Christian 21st century when it comes to matters of faith?

 

[Eugenius]

In my parish they passed out with the bulletin a glossary of “new” words we would find in the liturgy which might be unfamiliar, which was almost insulting in its completeness (do some people really not know what “implore” or “precursor” mean?). The problem is I doubt many people actually read the glossary. We do need to make an effort to make resources available, but ultimately there’s also a responsibility on the part of the people to take advantage of those resources.

In the months leading up to the change our priest discussed during his homily the wording changes and how they better expressed the theology. Of course people who weren’t there aren’t going to understand, but those who regularly attend have been taught without having to show up for a special workshop. It sounds like other parishes did not do it this way, which surprises me.

 

[MikeDunphy]

We had a very lively discussion at home about the difference between “for all” and “for many”. We looked at the new American Bible and that’s what it says. Still mulling that over…

The NAB, and every other translation of the Bible into English, too. So glad they fixed this.

People here stumbled over some of the words, especially in the Creed, but overall things went well. Our pastor strongly supports the new translation.

 

[Phemie]

At the parish I went to today for Saturday evening Mass, things went much smoother compared to the first week where I attended Mass that had no projection system & used only pew cards. This church projected the people’s responses on the large screen, and it seems like more people got them right than wrong. This church did the Nicene Creed compared to last week the other parish chose the Apostles’ Creed, and I could tell some people were trying to say the previous version from memory even though the words were projected for all to see & read. Its a matter of time before the responses are ingrained in us for sure.

My experience was quite different. It seemed that yesterday everyone had forgotten what had happened the week before. I heard “And with your spirit” loudly at every such response. Can’t figure out what’s so difficult about reading from the pew cards, or better yet, from the “Celebrate in Song” in which you can better follow the Mass, or the “Sunday Missal” in which you can follow the entire text of the Mass. It was almost as though they were refusing to use the new words, but I’m not sure that was the case.

 

[jazzy0710]

I think it’s going to take some getting used to. Some are getting into it and others still stumble. It’s nice that they have cards in the pews to help us though.

 

[SalesianSDB]

I agree, it’s going to take some time.

Whenever Yoda says, “May the Force be with you” I instinctively say, “And also with you.” It’s going to take some time to get used to saying, “And with your spirit.”

 

[FLGreg]

My experience was quite different. It seemed that yesterday everyone had forgotten what had happened the week before.

Agreed. It was worse this morning than it was last week. During The Greeting you could hear a bunch of “And also … with your Spirit” and it quickly went downhill from there. By the time we got to “Lord I am not worthy that you should enter…” there were only about a dozen or so “switched on” folks actually saying anything. I think people were embarrassed that they had no idea what was going on. However, we have pew cards and the new music on another card so there is NO excuse.

Wait until Christmas!

 

[Miriam1947]

Today a gentleman who is at Mass every Sunday but, not last week, told me, “I like this new translation”. He likes it a lot!

The new Eucharistic Prayers are beautiful.

 

[wondrousgnat]

I feel uncomfortable with the statement “consubstational.” To me, as a convert, it sounds too much like consubstantiation which the Catholic Encyclopedia identifies as heresy. I know it is not the same but still I feel some confusion.

 

[drforjc]

Even better this week (and last week was very good!) Father is careful to cue us as to when the translation has changed and even mentions which page of the fold-out pew card we are on. This onetime “rebellious” parish is absolutely nailing the new translation. Glory to God!!

 

[melissa_b]

Last week was pretty typical to other experiences here–people trying, forgetting, etc. I had hoped that today would be better, but technology got in the way. The laptop for the projector wouldn’t work and given that we don’t have pews (we meet in a gym with folding chairs), there were no pew cards either. I had brought a copy of the responses that I had from a book so my husband and I were responding (loudly) and the deacon used a microphone for all of the peoples’ responses, but it didn’t go well. By the end, everyone was so unsure about what to say that most didn’t even respond “Thanks be to God” at the end of Father’s dismissal!

On the plus side, the choir had changed to using the new translations in all of the Mass parts.

 

[JReducation]

I don’t doubt you, but where does this information come from?

We had, it seems, a rather passionate battle on this forum a few months ago about whether or not the new mass responses should be injected into baptisms, for example, even though the order for that rite has not been re-translated yet.

The diocesan bishop makes that call. If your parish is run by exempt religious, the major superior makes that call.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Dirt]

I hate to say it, but this Sunday was worse than last week. At the 7:30 Mass we have about 100 to 130 on an average Sunday. I heard more previous responses today than last week. Just will take time. Oh, and i even slipped while staring at my new MTF Missal!

And to a previous poster, YES! the new Prayers are absolutely Beautiful.

 

[Gift_from_God]

I was really late, so I missed most of it. When the priest did the Nicene Creed, I was confused for a moment until I remembered it was the new translation

 

[JReducation]

I hate to say it, but this Sunday was worse than last week. At the 7:30 Mass we have about 100 to 130 on an average Sunday. I heard more previous responses today than last week. Just will take time. Oh, and i even slipped while staring at my new MTF Missal!

And to a previous poster, YES! the new Prayers are absolutely Beautiful.

I felt that the most difficult part today was “And with your Spirit”. Everything else went well. There are a few still giving the former response, but not many.

At one point the celebrant simply stopped and said, “We’re going to say the creed and follow the mass as it is in the cards in front of you and in the missalette, so please get them handy.” Then he began, "I believe in God . . . " I still laugh during the Nicene Creed. Everyone is going at a graceful tempo and suddenly, it’s the proverbial school zone. “Con . . . sub . . . stan . . . tial”. Then it picks up again. LOL

I think that I like the Spanish and Italian translations better. They say, “Of the same nature as the Father.”

People are not used to holding the card or the missalette. It will come.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Aelred_Minor]

I feel uncomfortable with the statement “consubstational.” To me, as a convert, it sounds too much like consubstantiation which the Catholic Encyclopedia identifies as heresy. I know it is not the same but still I feel some confusion.

The Latin version of the Nicene Creed was being said at mass long before Martin Luther was a twinkle in his great-great-great…great grandfather’s eye.

Credo in unum Deum,
Patrem omnipoténtem,
Factórem cæli et terræ,
Visibílium ómnium et invisibílium.
Et in unum Dóminum Iesum Christum,
Fílium Dei Unigénitum,
Et ex Patre natum ante ómnia sæcula.
Deum de Deo, lumen de lúmine, Deum verum de Deo vero,
Génitum, non factum, consubstantiálem Patri:
Per quem ómnia facta sunt.
Qui propter nos hómines et propter nostram salútem
Descéndit de cælis.
Et incarnátus est de Spíritu Sancto
Ex María Vírgine, et homo factus est.
Crucifíxus étiam pro nobis sub Póntio Piláto;
Passus, et sepúltus est,
Et resurréxit tértia die, secúndum Scriptúras,
Et ascéndit in cælum, sedet ad déxteram Patris.
Et íterum ventúrus est cum glória,
Iudicáre vivos et mórtuos,
Cuius regni non erit finis.
Et in Spíritum Sanctum,
Dóminum et vivificántem:
Qui ex Patre Filióque procédit.
Qui cum Patre et Fílio simul adorátur et conglorificátur:
Qui locútus est per prophétas.
Et unam, sanctam, cathólicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam.
Confíteor unum baptísma in remissiónem peccatorum.
Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum,
Et vitam ventúri sæculi. Amen.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

I hate to say it, but this Sunday was worse than last week. At the 7:30 Mass we have about 100 to 130 on an average Sunday. I heard more previous responses today than last week. Just will take time. Oh, and i even slipped while staring at my new MTF Missal!

And to a previous poster, YES! the new Prayers are absolutely Beautiful.

I saw the same thing in my parish. The priest was much better (aside from when he couldn’t find the right page once and said they arranged the new book totally differently), but people weren’t paying as much attention to the pew card thingies and there were more mistakes than last time.