So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

[MissRose73]

The priests at the parishes I’ve been to in the past few months, are doing a good job of keeping to the new translations and also made sure we got some instruction before implementation. I certainly hope much more reverence returns with the new translations too like less talking before Mass in the worship space.

 

[Miriam1947]

The priests at the parishes I’ve been to in the past few months, are doing a good job of keeping to the new translations and also made sure we got some instruction before implementation. I certainly hope much more reverence returns with the new translations too like less talking before Mass in the worship space.

Boy ain’t that the truth? We have some real chatter bugs at the back while waiting for Mass to start.

You know who is quiet? The kids. The altar servers never say a word. It would be nice if their reverence was a clue.

 

[Soldier_Of_God]

So far, the new translation has been well received. I personally think it was a good implementation. Now, I just have to remember to say “And with your Spirit” in stead of “An also with you.”

 

[Phemie]

This was allowed in the old GIRM but I checked the new one and it is no longer allowed.

This was due to one of the Eucharistic Prayers which went " we stand before you".

It depends on where you live. In the US the norm is to kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer. In Canada, you kneel after the Sanctus and rise for the Memorial Acclamation – although parishes where kneeling throughout has been the tradition are free to maintain the practice.

That’s why it was confusing when last Saturday we were told to remain standing and make a profound bow when Fr. genuflects after the Elevation. Now that I’ve seen various diocesan websites it seems that most dioceses are totally ignoring the mandated posture for the EP and are doing whatever they please. In other words, nothing has changed and there is no more reverence now than there was on November 20th.

 

[Brendan]

. Now, I just have to remember to say “And with your Spirit” in stead of “An also with you.”

Maybe this will help

 

[YoungTradCath]

Maybe this will help

Edit the pic and dress yoda like a bish.

 

[YoungTradCath]

It depends on where you live. In the US the norm is to kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer. In Canada, you kneel after the Sanctus and rise for the Memorial Acclamation – although parishes where kneeling throughout has been the tradition are free to maintain the practice.

That’s why it was confusing when last Saturday we were told to remain standing and make a profound bow when Fr. genuflects after the Elevation. Now that I’ve seen various diocesan websites it seems that most dioceses are totally ignoring the mandated posture for the EP and are doing whatever they please. In other words, nothing has changed and there is no more reverence now than there was on November 20th.

Perhaps a letter to the CDWDS is in order.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

It depends on where you live. In the US the norm is to kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer. In Canada, you kneel after the Sanctus and rise for the Memorial Acclamation – although parishes where kneeling throughout has been the tradition are free to maintain the practice.

Actually that’s the norm throughout the world. Its an exception to kneel throughout the entire EP.

That’s why it was confusing when last Saturday we were told to remain standing and make a profound bow when Fr. genuflects after the Elevation. Now that I’ve seen various diocesan websites it seems that most dioceses are totally ignoring the mandated posture for the EP and are doing whatever they please. In other words, nothing has changed and there is no more reverence now than there was on November 20th.

The only time no kneeling is allowed is if there are no kneelers.

 

[JustaServant]

Our priest caught us all sleeping Sunday when he said “The Lord be with you” we all replied “and also with you”. He stopped, looked at us all again and said: “The Lord be with you”, to which we all gave the proper response, “and with your spirit”.
Our parish has no problem with the new translation. Our priest explained that purpose is to make the Mass more serious.

I do find it amusing that the (apparently few) liberals who complain are the same people. same people who figuritivley, if not literally told my parents generation to ‘sit down and deal with it’ when the Mass went from Latin to English in the sixties.
Oh the irony…

 

[paperwight66]

Actually that’s the norm throughout the world. Its an exception to kneel throughout the entire EP.

The only time no kneeling is allowed is if there are no kneelers.

In the UK, we kneel from the end of the Sanctus until after the EP doxology, We stand for the intro to the Our Father.

 

[MissRose73]

In the UK, we kneel from the end of the Sanctus until after the EP doxology, We stand for the intro to the Our Father.

The churches I go to that have kneelers do the same. This will be good to know as I will be going to Sunday Mass during my vacation in the UK in a few weeks.

 

[nickybr38]

Look at that! I just learned something new. Just fresh out of RCIA and I had no idea you were supposed to bow before receiving communion. Yay for this thread.

Personally I enjoy learning the correct postures. Some might say it’s silly to worry about such things but the postures help to align our bodies, minds and hearts to God. The Mass, as I heard said a million times in my studies prior to joining the Church, employs all of our senses. Mind, body, spirit, taste, touch, smell… all of it. It’s great.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Look at that! I just learned something new. Just fresh out of RCIA and I had no idea you were supposed to bow before receiving communion. Yay for this thread.

Personally I enjoy learning the correct postures. Some might say it’s silly to worry about such things but the postures help to align our bodies, minds and hearts to God. The Mass, as I heard said a million times in my studies prior to joining the Church, employs all of our senses. Mind, body, spirit, taste, touch, smell… all of it. It’s great.

Yep. A bow of the head is all that is required, but some people do a profound bow or genuflect.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

In the UK, we kneel from the end of the Sanctus until after the EP doxology, We stand for the intro to the Our Father.

Like the US that’s an exception to the norm given in the GIRM. The norm according to the GIRM is kneel only for the consecration, thus from the epicelsis to the mysterium fidei. However, some countries have received permission to make their local norms to kneel for the entire EP.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

Actually that’s the norm throughout the world. Its an exception to kneel throughout the entire EP.

The only time no kneeling is allowed is if there are no kneelers.

If I recall, no kneelers is not a sufficient reason to not kneel.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

Maybe this will help

Now that will certainly stick with me.

 

[JReducation]

Perhaps a letter to the CDWDS is in order.

We have to remember that the GIRM means general instructions. There are parts of the mass that no one, not even a bishop can tinker with. There are other things that the bishop can change or allow his pastors to change. The GIRM does not go into all of the details of what is and what is not untouchable. The clergy is expected to have learned this in seminary.

Just to give you a good example of how the GIRM is general instruction and not absolute law. In our religious community we never kneel for the Eucharistic prayer during a conventual mass. We do kneel in a public mass, because it throws the laity off. If you were a guest in our house, you would stand for the Eucharistic Prayer. That’s part of our custom and has been for hundreds of years.

I offer this example, because we’re using the same missal, but we’re not following the same rules. We’re not expected to do so. There are things that are absolutes and things that are not. Those goofy people out there who change the words of the prayers from Father to Mother, that’s an absolute. God the Father is absolute. You cannot change that. You may get away with God, instead of God the Father and this is pushing the envelop. But when you go to Mother, the envelop just fell of the table.

One has to be patient. You may find a pastor who has a particular preference that falls into one of those areas that are not absolutes and his bishop allows him to go with it. I’m not saying that it’s not confusing. I’m simply saying that it does not warrant too much excitement.

The other day, on November 27, I received over 10 PMs from people asking me why the mass on EWTN was the mass of All Saints. I had to explain that this is one of those things that is a quasi absolute. The absolute is that religious orders must follow their calendars and any priest who celebrates mass in a religious house must follow the house’s liturgical calender. The quasi is that the Feast of All Saints on November 1, does not mean that the saints cannot be remembered at any other time of the year. So religious order do it twice, on November 1 and on their own day. What’s the big deal?

We sometimes trigger our own frustration. We should be a little kinder to ourselves. I helps us to be kinder to others.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:

 

[patrick457]

When you have children you too will feel “shoddy” and “ill-equipped.”

Which Father is the reason why I probably will not be able to have kids.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

If I recall, no kneelers is not a sufficient reason to not kneel.

The GIRM states:

They should kneel at the consecration unless prevented by the lack of space, the number of people present, or some other good reason.

The GIRM adopted by the USCCB states:

In the Dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy) until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by ill health, or for reasons of lack of space, of the large number of people present, or for another reasonable cause.

Lack of kneelers would be, IMHO, a good reason and reasonable cause to not kneel. Especially in the USA or countries where we kneel for the entire EP. There would be a sizable number of people who wouldn’t be able to kneel in such circumstances due to physical issues. A common bodily posture is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered together for the Sacred Liturgy.

 

[TheMc]

Lack of kneelers would be, IMHO, a good reason and reasonable cause to not kneel. Especially in the USA or countries where we kneel for the entire EP. There would be a sizable number of people who wouldn’t be able to kneel in such circumstances due to physical issues. A common bodily posture is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered together for the Sacred Liturgy.

With all due respect, that’s not what the Vatican thinks.

QUERY: In some places kneelers have been taken out of the churches. Thus, the people can only stand or sit and this detracts from the reverence and adoration due to the Eucharist.

REPLY: The appointments of a place of worship have some relationship to the customs of the particular locale. For example, in the East there are carpets; in the Roman basilicas, only since modern times, there are usually chairs without kneelers, so as to accommodate large crowds. There is nothing to prevent the faithful from kneeling on the floor to show their adoration, no matter how uncomfortable this may be. …]