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thewanderer
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So let me get this straight, if I like the artistic representation of the moon on a particular tarot card I must therefore necessarily like the occult? I’m afraid your conclusion is a little off here…
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Avila123
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Dear Minion,
As you are unsure and this Thread is going one way than another, I would suggest that you put your question to the best qualified person i.e your Parish Priest. Otherwise, you may be plagued about whether you should have done A or B.
After reverting I found a pack of Tarot cards in my house and then a book on palm reading. Both were immediately put to good use as little pieces of paper in my recycling bin. For me it was a decision that needed no thought because God blessed me even when I turned away from Him, with wisdom on these items (I just forgot to ditch them).
I pray that God will bless and guide you to the right decision and that you will never feel any doubt about it.
As you are unsure and this Thread is going one way than another, I would suggest that you put your question to the best qualified person i.e your Parish Priest. Otherwise, you may be plagued about whether you should have done A or B.
After reverting I found a pack of Tarot cards in my house and then a book on palm reading. Both were immediately put to good use as little pieces of paper in my recycling bin. For me it was a decision that needed no thought because God blessed me even when I turned away from Him, with wisdom on these items (I just forgot to ditch them).
I pray that God will bless and guide you to the right decision and that you will never feel any doubt about it.
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Alindawyl
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That isn’t what I said. I said nothing about simply liking a piece of art. I said, “If you buy Tarot cards for the art”. That’s a different action.
A person who does this isn’t simply liking a piece of art, or buying a piece of art that they like. They are buying an occult tool that has on it a piece of art that they like. The fact that it’s an occult tool is not merely an incidental detail that can be brushed aside as if it’s of no consequence.
If a Playboy magazine contains an article in it by an author you enjoy reading, it would be ludicrous to say, “Yes I bought that magazine, but the fact that I’m buying pornography is irrelevant if I buy it to read an article instead of look at the pictures”.
Buying occult items is not a prudent thing to do, no matter how pretty and enticing they may be. I’ve seen many Tarot cards with impressive artwork. I don’t own any of them. No matter how impressive the artwork, they’re still Tarot cards. There are plenty of other options out there for acquiring art that don’t involve buying occult tools.
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Bookcat
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The realities involved in the occult world are not something we “believe in” in the sense of having faith in them…but they are realities.
That Demons exist we both know is part of what we believe. That they can and do make use of occult objects and practices is part of the experience of exorcists who deal on the front line with such. As one will see too even instructions/rites of Exorcism.
LeafByNiggle
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But even in exorcism, the rite is not engaged in until there is specific evidence of possession. Before then it is normal to assume that a person is not possessed, and treat them accordingly. Similarly, if a specific object began to exhibit strange evil powers, it would time to sit up and take notice, and avoid the object. But until then, it is normal to assume that objects are just normal objects, and treat them accordingly. Just because at some point in time someone intended for an object to assume evil supernatural powers, that does not mean it did, or that I need to take special precautions with it. As I said before, there is more danger in excessive fear than in owning tarot cards for the pictures.
LeafByNiggle
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Let me ask you this: Of all the tarot cards that have been made, what percentage of them do you think have actually performed some supernatural feat? Executed an effective curse? Gave the user true knowledge of or power over the future? Not very many, I would guess. I can easily believe that many people have damaged themselves spiritually by using tarot cards, but in most cases the damage was due to their evil intentions - not due to the cards themselves. If a cult suddenly arose where the cultists were using ping pong balls to tell the future or to invoke Satanic power, does that mean I should stop playing ping pong? It is really the same thing.
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thewanderer
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Actually, my proposed situation corresponds exactly to what you said. If I happened to really really like a particular artistic representation of the moon that is on a Tarot card, and so bought that Tarot card because I really liked that artistic representation, your reasoning says that I must therefore necessarily like the occult. I’m sorry, but that just simply does not follow. The cards themselves are just cards with pictures on them. They are usually used, in the states, for occult purposes. But that does not make the cards themselves, straight of the press evil or immoral. At that point they are just a piece of card with an artistic representation on it. While the manufacturers probably intended them to be used for occult purposes, in and of themselves they are not, they are just painted (well, printed) cardstock. You can like the art without liking the occult.
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GEddie
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Tarot cards have no power in themselves; their sinful use lies in trying to predict the future through them. This is a sin in itself, but not because of the specific physical objects used; rather in trying to gain a lock on the future against the will of God.
I for one do not believe that evil powers can follow a material object (although many in the Church would disagree). Selling the tarot cards would be wrong not because of that but because you are potentially helping someone else to sin, just as selling them an Ouija board would be.
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Alindawyl
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We have just that situation with Tarot cards. They were originally designed for playing a game. Now they are also used for divination. Of course the ones used for divination are different in appearance from the original Tarot cards, because the design of playing cards is not suitable for the occult. They needed stuff like Egyptian imagery, esoteric names, a connection to the mystical, to convince people the cards were for more than just gaming. Your hypothetical ping pong ball cultists would have to do the same thing to convince people ping pong balls had any occult power. So like with Tarot cards there would be a clear difference between what is ok and what is dangerous.
If I saw ping pong balls with occult imagery on them, I would not buy them.
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mikekle
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What amazes me the most about tarot cards, ouija boards and other things like this, are that they actually work!!!
I could not believe my eyes the first time I saw a ouija board working, as it was answering the questions I asked it, when it answered correctly, I could feel my heart sink into my feet!!!
For those that say it is the people using the oracle that make it work, just to clarify, I was standing about 10 ft away from the board and 2 female friends were using the board and asking it what I told them, I specifically asked questions no one else could possibly know, something about my childhood, a name to be exact and that ouija board took 3 seconds before giving the correct answer…I asked it a few more questions, but did not want to be around it after that, when I realized it was for real, I regretted it, although I never even touched it.
Ive never used tarot cards though, but I imagine they do work, or people wouldve not been buying and using them for decades or centuries!!
I could not believe my eyes the first time I saw a ouija board working, as it was answering the questions I asked it, when it answered correctly, I could feel my heart sink into my feet!!!
For those that say it is the people using the oracle that make it work, just to clarify, I was standing about 10 ft away from the board and 2 female friends were using the board and asking it what I told them, I specifically asked questions no one else could possibly know, something about my childhood, a name to be exact and that ouija board took 3 seconds before giving the correct answer…I asked it a few more questions, but did not want to be around it after that, when I realized it was for real, I regretted it, although I never even touched it.
Ive never used tarot cards though, but I imagine they do work, or people wouldve not been buying and using them for decades or centuries!!
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Alindawyl
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By your way of thinking, Playboy is not immoral in and of itself. It’s just pictures of naked women. I mean, the human body is not inherently evil. God made us naked, after all, and our first parents felt no shame. All that God makes is good. Lust is in us, not in pictures of naked women. While the publisher of Playboy probably intends it to be used to evoke lust, in and of itself it’s just pictures. You can admire the female form without having to experience lust. I can even buy the magazine just for the articles and pretend that I am not directly supporting porn, if I accept this way of thinking.
If someone willingly chooses to buy Playboy, it matters not if they are able to resist lustful thoughts. It does not matter their intention. Objectively speaking, they are giving direct support to the porn industry. Likewise those who purchase occult objects are supporting those who deal in the occult, regardless of whether or not they personally feel tempted by them.
You can separate the art from what it’s on when you’re only talking about the art in the abstract. Once you start dealing with the object carrying the art by talking about purchasing it, the nature of the discussion has changed and the two cannot be separated. You may choose to disagree, but I would argue otherwise.
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thewanderer
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Well since I am a heterosexual woman, I personally can look at such pictures without feeling lust. I understand, however that most men can’t and so shouldn’t look at such pictures. I also understand that buying their magazines is supporting their buisness and so inadvisable.
In the case of the OP the cards are already purchased. As for the scenario I brought up I was responding to a very specific claim you made. The claim that liking the art on Tarot cards necessarily and logically leads to the conclusion that you like the occult. So lets forget about the issue of purchasing cards and instead focus on that particular point. So, instead of me purchasing the Tarot card with the picture of the moon that I found to be artistically beautiful lets say a friend gave it to me as a gift because they found out how much I loved that particular artistic representation of a moon. According to your previous claim that liking the art on Tarot cards necessarily means you like the occult you would have to conclude that simply because I liked the particular representation of the moon that happened to be on a particular Tarot card, I am a fan of the occult. Do you see why this claim does not follow?
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Bookcat
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My point there was to note that such do exist.
And no --objects do not have to “exhibit” any kind of “powers” to be cursed etc.
I am not assuming “supernatural powers” for any particular object. I was referring to that reality that *cursed *objects to exist etc
As to tarot cards used for occult practices --they are: “tarot cards that have been used for occult practices” -as such I would burn such.
As for tarot cards not yet used for such -but which would basically be something used for such by 99.95% of potential future owners -again I would commend them also to the flames.
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Sunbreak
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Minion, make your own decision about selling the cards. It seems like there are a lot of people that go off the deep edge about the subject of these cards. They’re just cards - they have no power of their own.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Would you say the same thing for blessed objects?
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SinnersAnonymus
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The issue is not just limited to morality.
While working in mental health, I have worked with people who after tampering with the occult (ouija, tarot, New Age, Wiccan, and such), suffered the effects of demonic attacks, infestations, and even the road to possession.
It is like collecting ouija boards or anything else occult just for its atheistic value. At the very least its an affront to God and your guardian angel, and at most it is a magnet for demons as well.
Selling it is giving another person access to the road to possession, do you want that on your conscious?
By the way I would not recommend just burning this stuff without prayer and some sacramentals (excised salt and some holy water) on hand. This is a warning from an exorcist that I take seriously.
In the end you are free to rationalize what you want to do, but you have been warned by someone who has had to deal with the consequences of this garbage up close and personal.
While working in mental health, I have worked with people who after tampering with the occult (ouija, tarot, New Age, Wiccan, and such), suffered the effects of demonic attacks, infestations, and even the road to possession.
It is like collecting ouija boards or anything else occult just for its atheistic value. At the very least its an affront to God and your guardian angel, and at most it is a magnet for demons as well.
Selling it is giving another person access to the road to possession, do you want that on your conscious?
By the way I would not recommend just burning this stuff without prayer and some sacramentals (excised salt and some holy water) on hand. This is a warning from an exorcist that I take seriously.
In the end you are free to rationalize what you want to do, but you have been warned by someone who has had to deal with the consequences of this garbage up close and personal.
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SinnersAnonymus
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Your wrong, here is one example:
A child I met whose stuffed animal was telling her do some horrible things (like push their mom down that stairs, their family didn’t love her etc.). I met this kid some time ago and they did not fit the model of a normal schizophrenic so I talked with them for a while. Upon finding out about the toy we had a priest bless her toy and the voices went away. Till then everyone treated the kid as a schizophrenic with serious mode disorders (caused by doing what the toy told them), today they are a healthy normal person.
They got the toy at a garage sale, soon after it started to talk to her. It told her not to tell anyone and everyone she told thought she was making it up or wanted attention.
I do not know how, but several priest confirmed that they feel toy became cursed.
This is one of several personal examples I have met of things that can have an effect on someone. Objects can be blessed, neutral, or cursed. This can be the result of the intended purpose, how it was used, or even exposed to (satanic rituals are particularly nasty at infecting stuff around it).
Evil is real and its strongest weapon is a lack of awareness from their victims. In the end, the facts are out there but we have the freedom to reject the truth and make up our own reality at the cost of protecting ourselves.
God bless.
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klm120861
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It would seem to me if you are trying to justify selling the cards to the point of asking if it is okay on a Catholic forum, then God is trying to tell you something. There is some hesitation in your spirit, or you wouldn’t have even asked the question, you would have just sold the cards.
Also, the fact that you are protesting that they are just ink and cardstock repeatedly shows that they have some kind of hold on you. If they had no hold, you would have either just sold them and been done with them or destroyed them and been done with them. Either way, they would have been out of your life, but as it is, they are bound to you…or you to them.
You might try testing it. Go out to the garage, or wherever the cards are with holy water. Sprinkle them with the water. See what happens. If you find yourself recoiling at the thought of bringing any kind of harm to the cards, beware. They have a hold on you and you need a priest and possibly an exorcist.
While your intent was that the cards were just artwork and a game, that’s not to say that was the intent of the artist. Though they may have been bought over-the-counter, so to speak doesn’t mean the original artist didn’t curse them before they were mass produced. Be aware, many witches and Satanists are “nice” people. That’s how they suck you into their world. Even Lucifer can masquerade as an angel of light.
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou O Prince of the Heavenly Host, cast into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls Amen.
Kris
Also, the fact that you are protesting that they are just ink and cardstock repeatedly shows that they have some kind of hold on you. If they had no hold, you would have either just sold them and been done with them or destroyed them and been done with them. Either way, they would have been out of your life, but as it is, they are bound to you…or you to them.
You might try testing it. Go out to the garage, or wherever the cards are with holy water. Sprinkle them with the water. See what happens. If you find yourself recoiling at the thought of bringing any kind of harm to the cards, beware. They have a hold on you and you need a priest and possibly an exorcist.
While your intent was that the cards were just artwork and a game, that’s not to say that was the intent of the artist. Though they may have been bought over-the-counter, so to speak doesn’t mean the original artist didn’t curse them before they were mass produced. Be aware, many witches and Satanists are “nice” people. That’s how they suck you into their world. Even Lucifer can masquerade as an angel of light.
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou O Prince of the Heavenly Host, cast into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls Amen.
Kris
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FaustinaJulia
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Once again, I come here based on my past experience of over 30 years and that of others I’ve known, who were, and often still are, involved with the occult. These Tarot cards, of the type which you are speaking about, each one is made with occult intent and symbolism. The artists know that people intend to use them for occult means and design them accordingly. Many have branched out from the original style to other cultures and belief systems. There are Native American, Wiccan, Egyptian, and many other styles available all holding occult symbols and meanings… none of it is “innocent” or “just art” even if attractive and eye catching. These different styles are created to suck as many different people into using these occult tools as possible while making the artists and companies who produce them a tidy profit. Corruption and Greed. Now how is it affecting the opening poster’s life? Corruption and Greed. Corruption by enticing them through Greed to become a willing aide to the corruption of others who most likely will use the cards they wish to sell for occult activities.
You know what to do.
God Bless
Julia
You know what to do.
God Bless
Julia
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RuthTherese
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On the same note, I also have a couple decks of tarot cards. I don’t use them for divination, but I use them when I write stories, to come up with characters and plotlines. As in, draw a card, look up the meaning and use that as a writing prompt. But is that sinful? I’m not predicting anyone’s future, just character traits and plot devices. I will certainly get rid of them if it is sinful. I didn’t think it was, but this thread makes me unsure.
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