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Dokimas said:

Does your church stone adulterers? ( Le 20:10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.) Remember Jesus said adultry extends to the thought life. Shall I submit myself to stoning because of my sinful tendancies?​

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Please, this is not the argument here. let’s stick wiht the subject of the Church.

can you show us that protestants congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
Dokimas said:

Does your church stone adulterers? ( Le 20:10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.) Remember Jesus said adultry extends to the thought life. Shall I submit myself to stoning because of my sinful tendancies?​

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Didn’t Christ teach us that he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

Somethings were changed, or corrected might be a better term, by the new and everlasting covenant.

Christ taught in the Temple, and if you remember, ran the moneychangers out from His Father’s house. Seems God’s house still holds an importance to be followed.
 
Dokimas said:

I think I understood what you said the first time and I believe I paraphrased it correctly. Maybe you did not understand my paraphrase. Sorry I wasn’t clear.​

My answer still stands. I’ll not bore you with repeating it again.
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Can you show us how protestants congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?

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St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
wisdomseeker said:
Please, this is not the argument here. let’s stick wiht the subject of the Church.

can you show us that protestants congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?
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I have answered this twice now. I must be unclear. I said there is NO church, IMO, that is the church that Jesus established. At best, they (the individual member) are but a part of the Church. In short, I can’t show you or anyone that protestants resembles the Church of the Bible more (or less) than the CC.
 
Dokimas said:

Does your church stone adulterers? ( Le 20:10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.) Remember Jesus said adultry extends to the thought life. Shall I submit myself to stoning because of my sinful tendancies?​

We could go on …
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This comment is just an attempt to deflect and it is really a very dumb remark…we are talking about a form of worship in a church…The Jews were well acquainted with woshipping on their Sabbath

Our liturgy follows the seasons…The procession hols the book of the Gospels high just as the Jews hold the sacred scrolls high…Their tabernacle holds the world of God…Ours holds the Word made Flesh…Water is used for ritual cleansing in baptism

Our Priest wear Garments to perform the Liturgy the same as the high Priest did

When we enter a church we bless ourselves…the Jews do this upon entering a leaving their home.(mezuzza).I have heard scholars speak about this topic
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Didn’t Christ teach us that he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

Somethings were changed, or corrected might be a better term, by the new and everlasting covenant.

Christ taught in the Temple, and if you remember, ran the moneychangers out from His Father’s house. Seems God’s house still holds an importance to be followed.
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just a little note. Jesus did say to treat those who did not believe the Church as tax collector. so, there we have it.

** St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
Dokimas said:
I have answered this twice now. I must be unclear. I said there is NO church, IMO, that is the church that Jesus established. At best, they (the individual member) are but a part of the Church. In short, I can’t show you or anyone that protestants resembles the Church of the Bible more (or less) than the CC.
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So, you dont think that protestants congregations do not resembles the Church of the Bible? and you also say that the CC does neither? answer this then, does the CC has the same Worship as protestants do? how about the leadership, is it the same as protestants? thank you.

St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Didn’t Christ teach us that he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

Somethings were changed, or corrected might be a better term, by the new and everlasting covenant.

Christ taught in the Temple, and if you remember, ran the moneychangers out from His Father’s house. Seems God’s house still holds an importance to be followed.
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Seems you are avoiding my point. No problem.​

You say something need to be corrected; did God the Holy Spirit make a mistake that needed correcting?
 
Let’s not turn this discussion into personal criticisms please. These are delicate matters we discuss and it can be very hard for some of us to find the exact words necessary to express ourselves. 😉
 
Dokimas said:

Seems you are avoiding my point. No problem.​

You say something need to be corrected; did God the Holy Spirit make a mistake that needed correcting?
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here we go again. no sarcasm. please.

Jesus did say to treat those who did not listen to the Church as tax collector. now, can we go back to the main subject.

dont be afraid to be truthfull.

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St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
wisdomseeker said:
No. that is not what i said. Protestants are the ones accusing the CC of not being the Church of the Bible. please, read my post correctly. thank you.

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
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Here are a couple of thoughts.

Are the gifts of the Spirit used or permitted during Mass? Are sick healed, are demons cast out, do people speak in tongues, is prophecy brought forth?

What was required for salvation in the first century is not what is required for salvation now in the CC. Jude 1:3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
Our faith was delivered it is not continuing to evolve.
 
So, you dont think that protestants congregations do not resembles the Church of the Bible? and you also say that the CC does neither? answer this then, does the CC has the same Worship as protestants do? how about the leadership, is it the same as protestants? thank you.
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Is this what your church looks like?

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.​

How about 1 Corinthians 12?​

And this: 1Ti 2:8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;?
 
If any of you would like to understand our Jewish roots…Check out Br Bob Fishman…He calls himself a completed Jew

He had done a series on the Jewish roots of Catholicism
 
dnu said:
Apparently Luther and Calvin thought so.
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So what? They aren’t any better or worse that any CC leader as far as I know. And God will be the real Judge. It’s His church and His business.
 
Dokimas said:
So what? They aren’t any better or worse that any CC leader as far as I know. And God will be the real Judge. It’s His church and His business.
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Two questions:

1.) Do you think Catholics are going to hell?

2.) If so, which Protest-ant faith communities are going with us?

David
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Let’s not turn this discussion into personal criticisms please. These are delicate matters we discuss and it can be very hard for some of us to find the exact words necessary to express ourselves. 😉
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I’m all for not personal criticism and if I’ve done so, I’m sorry. These are delicate matters and it is hard to say the truth as is perceived without offending.
 
Dokimas said:
Is this what your church looks like?

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.​

How about 1 Corinthians 12?​

And this: 1Ti 2:8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;?
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These things are all done and always have been…by the magesterium…With the office of the Pope
 
We do know that when the early Church came together is was for the Lord’s Supper and there was an order in which it was to be celebrated. We also know that the breaking of the bread was doctrinal.

**1Co 11:20 When you come therefore together into one place, it is not now to eat the Lord’s supper.
1Co 11:21 For every one taketh before his own supper to eat. And one indeed is hungry and another is drunk.
1Co 11:22 What, have you no houses to eat and to drink in? Or despise ye the church of God and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? Do I praise you? In this I praise you not.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread,
1Co 11:24 And giving thanks, broke and said: Take ye and eat: This is my body, which shall be delivered for you. This do for the commemoration of me.
1Co 11:25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come.
1Co 11:27 Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
1Co 11:30 Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you: and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 But if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But whilst we are judged, we are chastised by the Lord, that we be not condemned with this world.
1Co 11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another.
1Co 11:34 If any man be hungry, let him eat at home; that you come not together unto judgment. And the rest I will set in order, when I come. **.

**Act 2:42 And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles and in the communication of the breaking of bread and in prayers.

Act 2:46 And continuing daily with one accord in the temple and breaking bread from house to house, they took their meat with gladness and simplicity of heart:

Act 20:11 Then going up and breaking bread and tasting and having talked a long time to them, until daylight, so he departed.**
 
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