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spn82756
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A minor correction…that you probably just forgot. No Mass on Good Friday.
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spn82756
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BTW…wecome to CAF!
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Crossi8797
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Correct, my bad,
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Mannyfit75
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Jesus did have disciples but he only selected 12 Apostles with authority. Starting with Peter and the other 11. There were also other disciples who left Jesus after the “Bread Discourse” in Gospel of John Chapter 6 verse 66. The authority was given to first Peter in Matthew 16:18 and the rest of the disciples in Matthew 18:18. The authority ot bind and loose was given to them but no disciple was given the keys of the kingdom. That was left to St. Peter alone.
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Prodigal_Son1
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There is a Mass on Good Friday.A minor correction…that you probably just forgot. No Mass on Good Friday.
Here are the Mass readings for Good Friday, 2010.
Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12
Psalm 22
Roman Catholic reading: Psalm 31:2, 6, 12-13, 15-16, 17, 25
Hebrews 10:16-25 or Hebrews 4:14-16; 5:7-9
Roman Catholic reading: Hebrews 4:14-16; 5:7-9
United Methodist reading: Hebrews 10:16-25
John 18:1 - 19:42
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spn82756
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From: catholic.org/clife/lent/friday.php
The liturgical observance of this day of Christ’s suffering, crucifixion and death evidently has been in existence from the earliest days of the Church. No Mass is celebrated on this day, but the service of Good Friday is called the Mass of the Presanctified because Communion (in the species of bread) which had already been consecrated on Holy Thursday is given to the people .
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larkin31
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Any other faiths here claiming that non-Catholic churches are illegitimate? If so, I would be glad to respond to them as well. All I have seen is a few Catholics (you at the top of the list) claiming the sole legitimacy of Catholic church. It’s not personal and it is not anti-Catholic. I am married to a Catholic. I simply find religious presumption and righteousness both fascinating and logically in error.
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Mannyfit75
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On the side note, anyone here who made an opinion that the Catholic Church is not the Church in the Bible is just “an opinion.” Historically speaking, Jesus did founded a Church upon Peter in Matthew 16:18 and other Biblical passages that support his role in the Church. The Church then was growing in numbers and by the time of St. Ignatius of Antioch (a disciple of St. John, the Apostle; 110 AD), the Church was already know to be “Catholic Church.”
The writings of the Early Church Fathers testify that the Catholic Church is the Biblical Church and the original Christian Church establish by Jesus Christ. It isn’t individual church with its own set of rules. When there was a dispute the Apostles form Councils (See the Council of Jerusalem). This Council would set the model for future Church Councils especially the Council of Nicea. I have taken history and one of them involve religion. One subject covered Christianity and historians affirmed that the Catholic Church is the first Christian Church.
The writings of the Early Church Fathers testify that the Catholic Church is the Biblical Church and the original Christian Church establish by Jesus Christ. It isn’t individual church with its own set of rules. When there was a dispute the Apostles form Councils (See the Council of Jerusalem). This Council would set the model for future Church Councils especially the Council of Nicea. I have taken history and one of them involve religion. One subject covered Christianity and historians affirmed that the Catholic Church is the first Christian Church.
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spn82756
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Continued…No Mass on Good Friday…
In the Catholic Church
The Catholic Church treats Good Friday as a fast day, which in the Latin Rite of the Church is understood as having only one full meal (but smaller than a regular meal - often substituting meat with fish) and two collations (a smaller repast, two of which together do not equal one full meal). In countries where Good Friday is not a day of rest from work, the afternoon liturgical service is usually put off until a few hours after the recommended time of 3 p.m.
The Roman Rite ordinarily has no celebration of Mass after that of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday evening until that of the Easter Vigil unless a special exemption is granted for rare solemn or grave occasions by the Vatican or the local bishop, and the only sacraments celebrated are Baptism (for those in danger of death), Penance and Anointing of the Sick.[10] While there is no celebration of the Eucharist, Holy Communion is distributed to the faithful only in the Service of the Passion of the Lord, but can be taken at any hour to the sick who are unable to attend this service.[11]
The altar remains completely bare, without cross, candlesticks or altar cloths.[12] It is customary to empty the holy water fonts in preparation of the blessing of the water at the Easter Vigil.[13] Traditionally, no bells are rung on Good Friday or Holy Saturday until the Easter Vigil.
In the Catholic Church
The Catholic Church treats Good Friday as a fast day, which in the Latin Rite of the Church is understood as having only one full meal (but smaller than a regular meal - often substituting meat with fish) and two collations (a smaller repast, two of which together do not equal one full meal). In countries where Good Friday is not a day of rest from work, the afternoon liturgical service is usually put off until a few hours after the recommended time of 3 p.m.
The Roman Rite ordinarily has no celebration of Mass after that of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday evening until that of the Easter Vigil unless a special exemption is granted for rare solemn or grave occasions by the Vatican or the local bishop, and the only sacraments celebrated are Baptism (for those in danger of death), Penance and Anointing of the Sick.[10] While there is no celebration of the Eucharist, Holy Communion is distributed to the faithful only in the Service of the Passion of the Lord, but can be taken at any hour to the sick who are unable to attend this service.[11]
The altar remains completely bare, without cross, candlesticks or altar cloths.[12] It is customary to empty the holy water fonts in preparation of the blessing of the water at the Easter Vigil.[13] Traditionally, no bells are rung on Good Friday or Holy Saturday until the Easter Vigil.
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Mannyfit75
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Non-Catholic Churches only contain partial truth and the majority of them originated with the Catholic Church. Whether Non-Catholic Christians want to believe this or not, their ancestors were Catholics. Prior to the Reformation, Western Europeans were all Catholics. I could go on how the Reformation happen, but I think we have covered that already and this issue was addressed already, so I won’t discuss it.
In recent years though, I have witness some Protestant Churches drifting apart from one of the basic Christian teachings on sexual morality. First, all Christian Churches were opposed to the use of contraception but eventually the Protestant Churches no longer see the use of contraception as “evil.” The Catholic Church have remain against it.
On the issue on gay marriages and ordaining gay bishops, one Protestant church., the Episcopalian Church did just that. This divided the Anglican community between the conservatives and the liberals. In a way, the leaders of these churches have been deceived by the ruler of this world.
As one of the saying goes, “good is evil, and evil is good.” It saddens me that some Protestant Churches have blesses these so called “gay unions.”
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humblelurker
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I had a quick moment to post so…
How rude of me.
I forgot to thank everyone for the quotes from Martin Luther.
Thank you very much.
Humblelurker out.
How rude of me.
I forgot to thank everyone for the quotes from Martin Luther.
Thank you very much.
Humblelurker out.
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Prodigal_Son1
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This is a Catholic forum. I am a Catholic. I will defend the Catholic Church, passionately. There is one body of Christ, which is His Church. As I explained on another thread, in response to you, Protestants are a part of that Church, whether they are willing to admit that or not. Protestantism came from the Catholic Church. The parts of the beliefs they took, came from the Catholic Church. Is it enough? I pray it is.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Then we agree.
With the Mass of the Presanctified, a Mass is celebrated 365 days a year.
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larkin31
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Sexual morality is not central to Christian faith, and Jesus only addressed it briefly. It is not part of the Nicene Creed. It is a point of contention among Christian denominations, but not a cause for apostasy.
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larkin31
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Good for you. Why do you keep hanging out in the non-Catholic threads? Looking for an argument?
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Prodigal_Son1
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No, I’m not looking for an argument and think I explained my reason for being here rather specifically. Do you have a problem with my posts?
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wisdomseeker
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larkin31
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When I have, I have stated so. I will repeat (since it seems to need repeating): I find orthodox presumptuousness and self-righteousness religiously suspect and logically unsound. To assign a Christian movement to apostasy because it questions papal succession–when the Bible does not set up such a succession–seems to me simply an act of authoritarianism rather than an act of fidelity to the central tenets of Jesus’ life and teachings.
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Prodigal_Son1
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I have not assigned a Christian movement to apostasy. I am open to correction if you’d please provide where I’ve stated other than that. I do believe the Catholic Church is the Church of the Bible, the one that Christ built. I believe Protestant Churchs received their beliefs through that Church. As I’ve explained numerous times, we are connected through those parts, whether others want to admit to that or not. No one has shown me differently, other than ‘speculative’ or opinionated rejections, without any explanations or sources to support their claims.
Your doubts are explained in the religion stated in your profile. However, as I’ve said before, it seems your only objection is with Catholicism and not all who choose to believe.
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wisdomseeker
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apparently you do not hear what the holy father said. “there is only One Church.” the holy father said this to stop the confusion because some people were implying and beginning to believe otherwise. so, the holy father has clarified for all to hear. he was attacked for this. hey, so what? Jesus was attacked for making claims that made people rip their clothes. Jesus said that the Church would also suffer persecution. for no Servant is greater than His Master.
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