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[CMatt25]

this is not a game. i dont play with God’s Word. as Catholics we are tought to have love, respect and reverence for God’s Word. it is only fair to realize that a King must have a Kingdom. this Kingdom cannot divided. Jesus said this. Jesus was to come and reestore the Kingdom of David.

I like to think everyone here agrees it’s not a game. All Christians are taught to love and respect God’s Word. Afterall as John teaches us, the Word was God and existed from the beginning.

And Isn’t the King, Christ Himself? So as we profess Christ the King, perhaps we are not as divided as you might like to think.

Sure in some of the details there are differences. But we see differences among the disciples in Scripture.

So how do any of us really know what is right? You might believe the Church hierarchy, led by the Pope is always right. This is what you interpret from Scripture. Someone else might interpret differently. It really simply comes down to what each of us as Christians interpret and believe. That’s why it’s called it faith. I think sometimes Catholics and others lose sight of this.

But in what is most important, His Kingdom is not divided. But united. As Christians everywhere strive to do His work and profess Him, Christ, **our **King.

 

[Dokimas]

I like to think everyone here agrees it’s not a game. All Christians are taught to love and respect God’s Word. Afterall as John teaches us, the Word was God and existed from the beginning.

And Isn’t the King, Christ Himself? So as we profess Christ the King, perhaps we are not as divided as you might like to think.

Sure in some of the details there are differences. But we see differences among the disciples in Scripture.

So how do any of us really know what is right? You might believe the Church hierarchy, led by the Pope is always right. This is what you interpret from Scripture. Someone else might interpret differently. It really simply comes down to what each of us as Christians interpret and believe. That’s why it’s called it faith. I think sometimes Catholics and others lose sight of this.

But in what is most important, His Kingdom is not divided. But united. As Christians everywhere strive to do His work and profess Him, Christ, **our **King.

Well stated. Thank you.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I like to think everyone here agrees it’s not a game. All Christians are taught to love and respect God’s Word. Afterall as John teaches us, the Word was God and existed from the beginning.

And Isn’t the King, Christ Himself? So as we profess Christ the King, perhaps we are not as divided as you might like to think.

Sure in some of the details there are differences. But we see differences among the disciples in Scripture.

So how do any of us really know what is right? You might believe the Church hierarchy, led by the Pope is always right. This is what you interpret from Scripture. Someone else might interpret differently. It really simply comes down to what each of us as Christians interpret and believe. That’s why it’s called it faith. I think sometimes Catholics and others lose sight of this.

I am glad to state that you dont speak for the Church.
i dont subscribe to relativism or individualism.
i believe in ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH AND ALL SHE TEACHES.

those who are not for us are against us. these Words still valid today.

just a little advice: speak for yourself only.

 

[CMatt25]

I am glad to state that you dont speak for the Church.
i dont subscribe to relativism or individualism.
i believe in ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH AND ALL SHE TEACHES.

those who are not for us are against us. these Words still valid today.

just a little advice: speak for yourself only.

Hi Wisdom, Has this catechism been changed and the church no longers speaks or teaches that Christians are in communion, united as people of God?

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: "Therefore . . . we are members one of another.

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians

That’s all I was speaking.

We are all united for, not against Him.

 

[CMatt25]

Well stated. Thank you.

You are welcome. I guess once in awhile the Holy Spirit moves my posting in an awesome way. Thank you for your kindness.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Hi Wisdom, Has this catechism been changed and the church no longers speaks or teaches that Christians are in communion, united as people of God?

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: "Therefore . . . we are members one of another.

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians

That’s all I was speaking.

and where does it say that?

No, what makes us one is the Eucharist. all in communion with the Bishops and wiht the holy father.

Baptism only means that they are somehow part of the Church but not in Communion with the Church. are you trying to say here that it doesnt matter to the CC if you are in obedience to the CC or not?

where did you get that idea, i dont know.

 

[spn82756]

and where does it say that?

No, what makes us one is the Eucharist. all in communion with the Bishops and wiht the holy father.

Baptism only means that they are somehow part of the Church but not in Communion with the Church. are you trying to say here that it doesnt matter to the CC if you are in obedience to the CC or not?

where did you get that idea, i dont know.

Cmatt25…we must have a different CCC than wisdomseeker. 1271 goes on to say

"including those that are not in full communion with the CC: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some…though imperfect… communion with the CC. Justified by faith in baptism, they are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers and sisters by the children of the CC. Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn.

Emphasis not mine…but the CCC.

 

[CMatt25]

Cmatt25…we must have a different CCC than wisdomseeker. 1271 goes on to say

"including those that are not in full communion with the CC: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some…though imperfect… communion with the CC. Justified by faith in baptism, they are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers and sisters by the children of the CC. Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn.

Emphasis not mine…but the CCC.

Hi Steve, I knew what it went on to say but I didn’t know how that part had anything to do with disproving we are in communion which is simply what I was attesting to. But thank you for including it. I know the Church says the communion is not perfect. But Catholics and others Christians are human so by definition imperfect. So I fail to see how that constitutes us not being in communion, united as one in Christ thru our Baptisms and faith in Him. Even as you pointed out, the Church says we are in communion, brothers and sisters in Christ thru Baptism.

That’s the only point I was trying to make. But Wisdom or anyone is free to disagree I guess.

I do just wonder sometimes though what Christ above is thinking when He instead spent so much time talking about love, peace, the poor, the sick, and so forth.

Peace.

 

[spn82756]

I know what it went on to say but how did that part have anything to do with disproving we are in communion which is simply what I am attesting to? I know the Church says the communion is not perfect. Catholics and others Christians are human so by definition imperfect. I fail to see though how that constitutes us not being in communion, united as one in Christ thru our Baptisms and faith in Him. Even the Church says we are in communion, brothers and sisters in Christ thru Baptism.

That’s the only point I was making. But Wisdom or anyone is free to disagree.

I do just wonder sometimes though what Christ above is thinking when He instead spent so much time talking about love, peace, the poor, the sick, and so forth.

Peace.

You and I are in agreement. It seems as though wisdomseeker is not.

 

[CMatt25]

You and I are in agreement. It seems as though wisdomseeker is not.

Yes I reread your post and realized that. Peace to us all.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Cmatt25…we must have a different CCC than wisdomseeker. 1271 goes on to say

"including those that are not in full communion with the CC: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some…though imperfect… communion with the CC. Justified by faith in baptism, they are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers and sisters by the children of the CC. Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn.

Emphasis not mine…but the CCC.

it does not say they are in communion with us. it only says some communion because the Church recognize Baptism is one time only. through Baptism.

Baptism is the Sacrament, the Bond of unity. it doesnt say we have complete unity. that is what the other post implied.

what constitutes unity among us is the belief in the Eucharist, the obedience to the Bishops in communion with the holy father.

father Corapi has explained this over and over again.

 

[spn82756]

Baptism is the Sacrament, the Bond of unity. it doesnt say we have complete unity. that is what the other post implied.

I believe it says we don’t have a complete communion with each other. But we do have unity. Pope JP II said…unity does not mean conformity. At least that’s what I thought he said.

 

[CMatt25]

it does not say they are in communion with us. it only says some communion because the Church recognize Baptism is one time only. through Baptism.

Baptism is the Sacrament, the Bond of unity. it doesnt say we have complete unity. that is what the other post implied.

what constitutes unity among us is the belief in the Eucharist, the obedience to the Bishops in communion with the holy father.

father Corapi has explained this over and over again.

Wisdom, sorry I’m late and you’ve already posted. I wasn’t sure what you meant about where I had found what I posted. But I found 1267 under the heading “Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ” and 1271 under “The sacramental bond of the unity of Christians”.

You sound like you understand better though all I was attempting to emphasize, how all Christians are united in Christ as Steve just said.

Peace to you Wisdom.

 

[tweetymom]

and where does it say that?

No, what makes us one is the Eucharist. all in communion with the Bishops and wiht the holy father.

Baptism only means that they are somehow part of the Church but not in Communion with the Church. are you trying to say here that it doesnt matter to the CC if you are in obedience to the CC or not?

where did you get that idea, i dont know.

When I was Baptised I became a part of Jesus.

 

[SteveVH]

When I was Baptised I became a part of Jesus.

Yes you did! It is a necessary beginning. You were infused with supernatural life. The rest of the sacraments are there to help you retain that life, which can be lost due to grave sin.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Wisdom, sorry I’m late and you’ve already posted. I wasn’t sure what you meant about where I had found what I posted. But I found 1267 under the heading “Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ” and 1271 under “The sacramental bond of the unity of Christians”.

You sound like you understand better though all I was attempting to emphasize, how all Christians are united in Christ as Steve just said.

Peace to you Wisdom.

Peace to you too. i realize this is a very touchy subject. and there is much confusion about it. you might not believe everything the Church teaches but i do. in the Catechism, we also must make a distinction when the Church is talking about Catholics and when the Church is talking about non Catholics. the Church says we must evangelize all peoples. you probably can, but i cant let others believe in something that is false. the CC is here to teach all people the Truth which all men must believe. now they have free will and it is up to them to make a decision. but we have a duty to tell the Truth entrusted to the CC. what do you think the pope is trying to do? unite with the EO. why? because it is the right thing to do. if everybody was ok where they are the Church would not have bothered in making efforts to bring all of them into one fold.

the holy father says: if you know about the Church, what she teaches and rejects it, one is in danger of loosing salvation.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Wisdom, sorry I’m late and you’ve already posted. I wasn’t sure what you meant about where I had found what I posted. But I found 1267 under the heading “Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ” and 1271 under “The sacramental bond of the unity of Christians”.

You sound like you understand better though all I was attempting to emphasize, how all Christians are united in Christ as Steve just said.

Peace to you Wisdom.

This is talking about Catholics only.

1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: "Therefore . . . we are members one of another."72 Baptism incorporates us into the Church. From the baptismal fonts is born the one People of God of the New Covenant, which transcends all the natural or human limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes: "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body."73

1268 The baptized have become “living stones” to be "built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood."74 By Baptism they share in the priesthood of Christ, in his prophetic and royal mission. They are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people, that [they] may declare the wonderful deeds of him who called [them] out of darkness into his marvelous light."75 Baptism gives a share in the common priesthood of all believers.

1269 Having become a member of the Church, the person baptized belongs no longer to himself, but to him who died and rose for us.76 From now on, he is called to be subject to others, to serve them in the communion of the Church, and to “obey and submit” to the Church’s leaders,77 holding them in respect and affection.78 Just as Baptism is the source of responsibilities and duties, the baptized person also enjoys rights** within the Church: to receive the sacraments, to be nourished with the Word of God and to be sustained by the other spiritual helps of the **Church.79

1270 "Reborn as sons of God, [the baptized] must profess before men the faith they have received from God through the Church" and participate in the **apostolic and missionary activity of the People of God.80 **

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

are you accusing the CC of killing people so they could go to Heaven?

who told you that? as you knowk, if you come here accusing the CC of wrong doing, you will be asked to prove it and show the sources of your information.

blessings.

I would go back and delete that post but I dont know how

 

[CMatt25]

Wisdom, thank you for your wishes of peace as well. But we can agree 1271 is talking about a communion of all properly baptized Christians, united together as one in Christ. That is good. So in the spirit of ecumenicalism, :grouphug: God bless!

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Jesus said: behold the Kingdom of God is at hand."

does your congregation looks like a Kingdom? what does a Kingdom look like? do you know? it has to look like the Kingdom of David.

Peace.

this is a great example of reading something into a verse that isnt even remotely there. I was tempted to come up with some wild scripture twisting myself but I dont have the energy.