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CMatt25 said:
No it means to me I believe in the Holy Universal Church of Christ and in the gospels written by the Apostles and in their Acts.
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does this Universal Church teachings diferent gospels (bleieves) to the people? if this Universal Church is One, how do you explain the different teachings in this same Church?
 
wisdomseeker said:
does this Universal Church teachings diferent gospels (bleieves) to the people? if this Universal Church is One, how do you explain the different teachings in this same Church?
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Sounds like he doth protest too much.😦
 
wisdomseeker said:
you have done all this. Why? you seem to question everything the Church does. you might not realize but you are in contempt with the Church’s teachings. this may be a grave sin. i suggest you confess and come clean with the Church. you are not obligated to stay in the Church if you dont feel she is right. you seem to think you know more than teh Church.
i hope you dont take offense to this. but you remind of Judas. Jesus was teaching something but judas wanted something else. he just couldnt bring his heart to the teachings of Jesus. he wanted his ways no matter what. well, you know the story.
this always happens when we think we know more than God. many people have the tendency to think that they could be better than God. your contemption against the Church is that the Church is not kind enough, she is somehow doing evil. why would you want to be in the Church if you think she is not good enough.

you could be doing a lot more good by having others coming into the Faith. no matter how you try you can never be as good as God or better than God. it is a mistake to think taht you are much better than the Church.
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Wisdom I do not question everything the Church does. Closed Communion, yes.

Disciples questioned and doubted things. Does that make all of them “Judas” as you seemingly judge me?

But no offense. I don’t want to believe you meant to judge me. I know sometimes things can become heated. Peace.
 
Okay…I’ve mentioned this before…but here goes again.

We have so much energy in trying to convince each other who’s doctrines are most biblical or apostolic or or or. Can you imagine if everyone posting in this thread went to address the muslims on their threads denying Christ? OMGosh…they wouldn’t know where to turn. We have chance to show where we are united.

Think about it…pleeeeeeease. 😃
 
wisdomseeker said:
does this Universal Church teachings diferent gospels (bleieves) to the people? if this Universal Church is One, how do you explain the different teachings in this same Church?
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No. One belief in Christ our Lord. On the differences, all just beliefs, faith.
 
spn82756 said:
Okay…I’ve mentioned this before…but here goes again.

We have so much energy in trying to convince each other who’s doctrines are most biblical or apostolic or or or. Can you imagine if everyone posting in this thread went to address the muslims on their threads denying Christ? OMGosh…they wouldn’t know where to turn. We have chance to show where we are united.

Think about it…pleeeeeeease. 😃
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Steve, thanks for the reminder. My Muslim neighbors have shared Christmas with me. They probably do wonder about us Christians sometimes.
 
CMatt25 said:
Steve, thanks for the reminder. My Muslim neighbors have shared Christmas with me. They probably do wonder about us Christians sometimes.
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Since you find no qualms about interpreting scriptures for yourself, please provide your interpretation of the scriptures below and take time to explain how they might be applicable to the Church.

**1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

Php 2:2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.**

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Maybe when the Lord got real specific, it threw them off.

Joh 6:54 (6:55) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Joh 6:55 (6:56) For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 (6:57) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him.

He did not explain any symbolism, because there was no symbolism to His teaching.
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Sure there was. All over the place. Repeatedly. And from the opening verses of Genesis even.

Unless you are suggestion alchemy with the bread and wine (and no one spit it out). Or cannibalism.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Since you find no qualms about interpreting scriptures for yourself, please provide your interpretation of the scriptures below and take time to explain how they might be applicable to the Church.

**1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

Php 2:2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.**

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.
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Prod, you already know I believe we are united in Christ. But if you feel I am causing dissension ot difficulty in this then I guess best for you to avoid me. 🤷
 
larkin31 said:
Sure there was. All over the place. Repeatedly. And from the opening verses of Genesis even.

Unless you are suggestion alchemy with the bread and wine (and no one spit it out). Or cannibalism.
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Exactly. One person’s symbolism is another’s literalism and visa versa. One person might take the Genesis Creation story literal but the Eucharist as not. Another might take the 6 day, 24 hr evening and morning Creation story as symbolic but the Eucharist literally. And all sorts of things like that. Yet Christians all. United in believing in Him.
 
CMatt25 said:
Prod, you already know I believe we are united in Christ. But if you feel I am causing dissension ot difficulty in this then I guess best for you to avoid me. 🤷
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Are all the denominations of the same mind and judgement; of the same accord?
 
larkin31 said:
Sure there was. All over the place. Repeatedly. And from the opening verses of Genesis even.

Unless you are suggestion alchemy with the bread and wine (and no one spit it out). Or cannibalism.
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Your insinuations and wording are offensive and I find them disrespectful of the Catholic faith. It was unnecessary to say the least. While I will not put you on ignore, I will not respond to someone who’s agenda is clearly to bash Catholicism ONLY, under the guise of being agnostic.
 
spn82756 said:
I think when it comes to the CORE beliefs we are.
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Ok, show me where the scriptures tell us we only have to be of the same mind and judgment; of the same accord, only on the ‘core’ beliefs.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Ok, show me where the scriptures tell us we only have to be of the same mind and judgment; of the same accord, only on the ‘core’ beliefs.
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First of all…I subscribe to Catholic teaching. Now with that in mind…you will only continue to ask for more or rebut any scripture I list or quote. BUT…we all have faith in the redeeming value of Christ’s death and in His resurrection that we all hope to share on.

I will not play the game that you want to play. BTW…perhaps you should take up your argument with the Orthodox seeing as how they have the least amount of change from the Church of 2000 years ago.

God Bless
 
CMatt25 said:
Exactly. One person’s symbolism is another’s literalism and visa versa. One person might take the Genesis Creation story literal but the Eucharist as not. Another might take the 6 day, 24 hr evening and morning Creation story as symbolic but the Eucharist literally. And all sorts of things like that. Yet Christians all. United in believing in Him.
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Even when I was a Protestant, this was how I felt and was my point.

Prodigal calls me offensive for pointing this out from the quotes that he provides. I honestly don’t see how it is an insult to suggest that the apostles were not literally eating the flesh of Jesus (despite his words stating so) and that I find the literal idea creepy (as I imagine many do, too). That many Protestants–and even catholics–don’t actually believe in literal transubstantiation should be no surprise to anyone, nor any insult.
 
spn82756 said:
First of all…I subscribe to Catholic teaching. Now with that in mind…you will only continue to ask for more or rebut any scripture I list or quote. BUT…we all have faith in the redeeming value of Christ’s death and in His resurrection that we all hope to share on.

I will not play the game that you want to play. BTW…perhaps you should take up your argument with the Orthodox seeing as how they have the least amount of change from the Church of 2000 years ago.

God Bless
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It’s similar to a Protestant’s arguement. They say they all agree on ‘essentials’. Only, who gets to decide what’s essential and what’s not. I thought it was a legimate question. And bringing up the Orthodox and the great schism doesn’t mean that ‘differences’ were acceptable as taught by the Apostles, who received their teachings directly from Christ. Believe me, those differences bother me as well, but for all Christians I continue to pray for unity as I believe that was the teaching of the early Church and is more than supported by scriptures.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
It’s similar to a Protestant’s arguement. They say they all agree on ‘essentials’. Only, who gets to decide what’s essential and what’s not. I thought it was a legimate question. And bringing up the Orthodox and the great schism doesn’t mean that ‘differences’ were acceptable as taught by the Apostles, who received their teachings directly from Christ. Believe me, those differences bother me as well, but for all Christians I continue to pray for unity as I believe that was the teaching of the early Church and is more than supported by scriptures.
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But bringing up the Orthodox does show differences in 2 Churches that claim and recognize Apostolic Succession and that does have significance. If we cannot agree…then that is not good. Orthodox do not even accept baptism as being valid if outside the Orthodox Church. It is a very sad state when the 2 Churches are experiencing such difficulty.
 
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