So, i hear...

[Carlan]

Wisdom, I know what you believe. But where do you fit into those 3 if you leave out the collective individual minds, hearts, bodies and souls of us individuals?

Well Matt, I would think that if all those collective individual minds,hearts bodies and souls ever have questions or doubts about the Scriptures or anything spiritual, they would all do well to consult with the three pillars, The Word, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium, It is not so good to always rely on our own :yup:understanding.There are more evil spirits roaming around than we can imagine.:yupPeace, Carlan

 

[adrift]

My spirtual life is clear and great!

Not demonstrated by your participation in these threads. You deny that artificial birth control is a sin by claiming it is not in the bible… Yet when evidence is presented to the contrary your answer is “and” that is flippant and does not demonstrate a clear spiritual life. You miss so much. You think you know Jesus but you don’t because you do not know His Church. You have been fed a lot of goboly gook from a “bible study” that does not know Jesus’ Church. It is to hard for you to admit that your study of the Bible was incomplete. You cling to the misinterpretation presented to you that you accepted uncritically. You demonstrate here that what little you learned you cannot defend in any meaningful way. That is why all you can answer is with snipes and little else,.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I suppose if you are wondering so you could attend a service to see.

HUmnnnn!

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

the CC is the Church of teh Bible. i am still waiting for protestants to show how their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible.

Lest anyone join this thread and think you didnt get an answer,
I already did. the fact that YOU dont see similarities because it is not under the authority of Rome doesnt change the fact that they are there.

 

[tweetymom]

Not demonstrated by your participation in these threads. You deny that artificial birth control is a sin by claiming it is not in the bible… Yet when evidence is presented to the contrary your answer is “and” that is flippant and does not demonstrate a clear spiritual life. You miss so much. You think you know Jesus but you don’t because you do not know His Church. You have been fed a lot of goboly gook from a “bible study” that does not know Jesus’ Church. It is to hard for you to admit that your study of the Bible was incomplete. You cling to the misinterpretation presented to you that you accepted uncritically. You demonstrate here that what little you learned you cannot defend in any meaningful way. That is why all you can answer is with snipes and little else,.

My study was very complete thank you. I know in whom I believe. God Bless you in living what you believe. I am sure that Christ would be pleased with your post! I respect what you believe in and it is too bad you cannot do the same. Have a great day.

 

[tweetymom]

Lest anyone join this thread and think you didnt get an answer,
I already did. the fact that YOU dont see similarities because it is not under the authority of Rome doesnt change the fact that they are there.

Very true and God Bless.

 

[Carlan]

My study was very complete thank you. I know in whom I believe. God Bless you in living what you believe. I am sure that Christ would be pleased with your post! I respect what you believe in and it is too bad you cannot do the same. Have a great day.

Your written comments here show a study of Protestant theology or rather thought. If you have studyed any Sacred Tradition you have not witnessed to it here. You are still confirming error every chance you get and witness mostly to the 30years or so of your sojourn into the reformation Churches. You love Jesus but for some unfathomable reason you will not defend his Apostolic Church here at Catholic Answers. You squander your Catholic witness, excuse the harshness in my admonition . You and I are from the same generation,let us witness only the Truth to our young ones, Catholics, Protestant, and others alike, God bless and peace to all, Carlan

 

[schaick]

The Church was established first in Jerusalem- first Christians were actually Jews.

Please all must read:.

biblestudy.org/basicart/what-did-early-church-believe-preach-after-death-of-jesus.html

What did the early church believe and preach after the death of Jesus?

“In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!”

 

[tweetymom]

Your written comments here show a study of Protestant theology or rather thought. If you have studyed any Sacred Tradition you have not witnessed to it here. You are still confirming error every chance you get and witness mostly to the 30years or so of your sojourn into the reformation Churches. You love Jesus but for some unfathomable reason you will not defend his Apostolic Church here at Catholic Answers. You squander your Catholic witness, excuse the harshness in my admonition . You and I are from the same generation,let us witness only the Truth to our young ones, Catholics, Protestant, and others alike, God bless and peace to all, Carlan

As I have stated a number of times, God Bless you in your belief.

 

[wisdomseeker]

The Church was established first in Jerusalem- first Christians were actually Jews.

Please all must read:.

biblestudy.org/basicart/what-did-early-church-believe-preach-after-death-of-jesus.html

What did the early church believe and preach after the death of Jesus?

“In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!”

well, you dont know Catholics know where the Church started? and who were the first Christians? you dont think we know this?

if you are going to invest your time into some study, you need to go the a source that is true and not some falsehood based on man’s opinion.

go to the Ancient Church to learn the Truth. you will be surprised. by the way do you know who teh early fathers of teh Church were?

good luck.

 

[spn82756]

The Church was established first in Jerusalem- first Christians were actually Jews.

Please all must read:.

biblestudy.org/basicart/what-did-early-church-believe-preach-after-death-of-jesus.html

What did the early church believe and preach after the death of Jesus?

“In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!”

Read it. Not sure of the point of it. It really doesn’t have very many references to show where the CC is wrong. I believe that if we look at the Bible we can see how the early Church started. This person almost seems to be denying the divinity of Christ at times. Saying that is basically made up. We know from the NT that that is not true.

 

[Lapey]

As I have stated a number of times, God Bless you in your belief.

Saul looked away for a long time too, at least untill he was knocked off of his horse by the Way, the Truth and the Life!

 

[tweetymom]

Saul looked away for a long time too, at least untill he was knocked off of his horse by the Way, the Truth and the Life!

And God Bless you too!

 

[schaick]

well, you dont know Catholics know where the Church started? and who were the first Christians? you dont think we know this?

if you are going to invest your time into some study, you need to go the a source that is true and not some falsehood based on man’s opinion.

go to the Ancient Church to learn the Truth. you will be surprised. by the way do you know who teh early fathers of teh Church were?

The thread is about:

*“So, i hear Protestants saying that the CC does not resemble the Church of the Bible. Can protestants show us that their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?” *

From the article:

*"Suppose you could invite one of the original twelve apostles to your church this weekend. Can you imagine what it would be like to entertain Peter in your worship services? How do you think he would react to what he saw?

Would this apostle approve of your denomination’s practices?

Or is it just possible that he would tell you that some of your most cherished beliefs were in error? How would you feel if he stood up and loudly proclaimed that your church was a promoter of heresy? What if he said that your religious practices were totally contrary to those of the primitive church formed immediately after the death of Jesus Christ?

Is this a startling thought? Of course it is. Yet if any of the very men who served Jesus during His earthly ministry could witness the teachings of Christianity today, they would express almost total disagreement with its doctrines and beliefs!

How has this all come about? Unfortunately, for centuries the world had little access to historical information on the early church. Most Christian churches had to rely on the teachings of men who lived at least a century after Christ’s death. These men became known as the “church fathers,” whose writings wielded an enormous influence on Christian belief. They undermined the influence and authority of the true founders of Christianity such as James, Peter, and John. The character of the church from the second century down to modern times was set by Justin Martyr, Origen, Tertullian, and many other uninspired men.

Fortunately, the past four decades have seen a plethora of new information on what the primitive church was really like. It is amazing what scholars and historians have found!

This new information coupled with what is in the pages of your Bible clearly shows that there is a great difference between the church led by the original apostles and the modern “Christian” world. Read for yourself how a great apostasy took place and how it affects your life, your beliefs, and even your salvation!

In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!"*

 

[wisdomseeker]

The thread is about:

*“So, i hear Protestants saying that the CC does not resemble the Church of the Bible. Can protestants show us that their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?” *

From the article:

*"Suppose you could invite one of the original twelve apostles to your church this weekend. Can you imagine what it would be like to entertain Peter in your worship services? How do you think he would react to what he saw?

Would this apostle approve of your denomination’s practices?

Or is it just possible that he would tell you that some of your most cherished beliefs were in error? How would you feel if he stood up and loudly proclaimed that your church was a promoter of heresy? What if he said that your religious practices were totally contrary to those of the primitive church formed immediately after the death of Jesus Christ?

Is this a startling thought? Of course it is. Yet if any of the very men who served Jesus during His earthly ministry could witness the teachings of Christianity today, they would express almost total disagreement with its doctrines and beliefs!

How has this all come about? Unfortunately, for centuries the world had little access to historical information on the early church. Most Christian churches had to rely on the teachings of men who lived at least a century after Christ’s death. These men became known as the “church fathers,” whose writings wielded an enormous influence on Christian belief. They undermined the influence and authority of the true founders of Christianity such as James, Peter, and John. The character of the church from the second century down to modern times was set by Justin Martyr, Origen, Tertullian, and many other uninspired men.

Fortunately, the past four decades have seen a plethora of new information on what the primitive church was really like. It is amazing what scholars and historians have found!

**This new information coupled with what is in the pages of your Bible clearly shows that there is a great difference between the church led by the original apostles and the modern “Christian” world. Read for yourself how a great apostasy took place and how it affects your life, your beliefs, and even your salvation! ***

In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!"

good lucky, continue to seek the Truth.

 

[wisdomseeker]

The thread is about:

*“So, i hear Protestants saying that the CC does not resemble the Church of the Bible. Can protestants show us that their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?” *

From the article:

*"Suppose you could invite one of the original twelve apostles to your church this weekend. Can you imagine what it would be like to entertain Peter in your worship services? How do you think he would react to what he saw?

Would this apostle approve of your denomination’s practices?

Or is it just possible that he would tell you that some of your most cherished beliefs were in error? How would you feel if he stood up and loudly proclaimed that your church was a promoter of heresy? What if he said that your religious practices were totally contrary to those of the primitive church formed immediately after the death of Jesus Christ?

Is this a startling thought? Of course it is. Yet if any of the very men who served Jesus during His earthly ministry could witness the teachings of Christianity today, they would express almost total disagreement with its doctrines and beliefs!

How has this all come about? Unfortunately, for centuries the world had little access to historical information on the early church. Most Christian churches had to rely on the teachings of men who lived at least a century after Christ’s death. These men became known as the “church fathers,” whose writings wielded an enormous influence on Christian belief. They undermined the influence and authority of the true founders of Christianity such as James, Peter, and John. The character of the church from the second century down to modern times was set by Justin Martyr, Origen, Tertullian, and many other uninspired men.

Fortunately, the past four decades have seen a plethora of new information on what the primitive church was really like. It is amazing what scholars and historians have found!

This new information coupled with what is in the pages of your Bible clearly shows that there is a great difference between the church led by the original apostles and the modern “Christian” world. Read for yourself how a great apostasy took place and how it affects your life, your beliefs, and even your salvation!

In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!"*

here is what St Augustine says:

He was surrounded by heretics, schismatics, separatists, sectarians. He was surrounded by sincere people who had separated from the one family of God and he said:

"none of them; none of them is truly Catholic and being Catholic is the chief family trait by which I’m identified. “the Church of the Christian religion is called Catholic, not only by her own members but even by our enemies; for when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, they willy-nilly call her nothing else but Catholic for they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard.”

isnt this just amazing that 1600 yrs later, the whole world still recognize who the Catholics are? no amount of falsehood throughout the ages have destroyed this.

 

[wisdomseeker]

The thread is about:

*“So, i hear Protestants saying that the CC does not resemble the Church of the Bible. Can protestants show us that their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?” *

From the article:

*"Suppose you could invite one of the original twelve apostles to your church this weekend. Can you imagine what it would be like to entertain Peter in your worship services? How do you think he would react to what he saw?

Would this apostle approve of your denomination’s practices?

Or is it just possible that he would tell you that some of your most cherished beliefs were in error? How would you feel if he stood up and loudly proclaimed that your church was a promoter of heresy? What if he said that your religious practices were totally contrary to those of the primitive church formed immediately after the death of Jesus Christ?

Is this a startling thought? Of course it is. Yet if any of the very men who served Jesus during His earthly ministry could witness the teachings of Christianity today, they would express almost total disagreement with its doctrines and beliefs!

How has this all come about? Unfortunately, for centuries the world had little access to historical information on the early church. Most Christian churches had to rely on the teachings of men who lived at least a century after Christ’s death. These men became known as the “church fathers,” whose writings wielded an enormous influence on Christian belief. They undermined the influence and authority of the true founders of Christianity such as James, Peter, and John. The character of the church from the second century down to modern times was set by Justin Martyr, Origen, Tertullian, and many other uninspired men.

Fortunately, the past four decades have seen a plethora of new information on what the primitive church was really like. It is amazing what scholars and historians have found!

This new information coupled with what is in the pages of your Bible clearly shows that there is a great difference between the church led by the original apostles and the modern “Christian” world. Read for yourself how a great apostasy took place and how it affects your life, your beliefs, and even your salvation!

In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!"*

St. Augustine again:
“We believe in the holy Church for both heretics and schismatics call their own congregations churches; but heretics holding false opinions about God violate the faith itself, while schismatics, on the other hand, break off from fraternal charity in wicked separations, although they may believe just what we do. Consequently, heretics do not belong to the Catholic Church, which loves God, nor do the schismatics form a part of the Church inasmuch as the Church loves its neighbor.”

 

[schaick]

Further down in the article:

*"The Rejection of Judeo-Christianity

But another storm was brewing. As they continued to reject the Judaic roots of their religion, catholic Christians increasingly viewed Jews as a problem. The conflict between Judaism and catholic belief became sharper from the second century onward. Instead of accepting their common heritage, the church fathers sought ways to reinterpret the Scriptures and to show the superiority of their new religious movement.

Some of them saw the destruction of the Temple as proof that God had rejected the Jews. Justin Martyr scornfully mocked the Jewish sacrificial system. The heretic Marcion claimed that the God of the Old Testament was evil and that only Paul’s doctrines of love represented true Christianity. Although he was noted for his keeping of the Passover on the 14th of Nisan, Mileto of Sardis denounced the Jews as Messiah-killers and criminals. The invective against Judaism was continued by Origen, Tertullian, John Chrysostom, Cyprian, Ambrose, and other misguided men.

Tertullian in particular wanted to

“dissociate the Christian message from its Jewish trappings in order to give it a truly Latin expression” (Jean Danielou, The Origins of Latin Christianity, p. 139).

He was not content to confine himself to Judaism, however. He also attacked Jewish Christianity not only in its heterodox forms, but as it existed in the Christian church during his lifetime. His reaction against the Judeo-Christian element, became more pronounced in each of his writings, which influenced a new generation of church leaders.

Ironically, the major criticism leveled at the emerging catholic church was its rejection of Judaism. Around 180 A.D., the Greek philosopher Celsus charged that Christians had deserted the Jewish law. They wantonly disregarded the points that were mostly clearly set forth – the keeping of the Sabbath, the festivals, and the dietary laws. The fact that church fathers were writing rebuttals 80 years later shows the impact that Ceisus had.

But even more devastating were the arguments of Porphyry, a well-known biographer, and philosopher. Several generations of churchmen were unable to answer Porphyry, whose works were finally put to the torch by Constantine. Intimately acquainted with the Scriptures, Porphyry showed that the Christians of his day had abandoned the teachings of Christ and had introduced a new cult in which Jesus Himself was deified. Since they were unable to counter his accusations, the church fathers grew even more vehement in their attempts to allegorize the Bible.

By the end of the third century, the Jews had become an embarrassment. They represented a large and unpopular group that should have but would not accept catholic norms. Under the emperor Theodosius, when Christian uniformity became the official policy of the empire, Christian mob attacks on synagogues grew common. This unlicensed violence was contrary to Roman public policy, since Jews were regarded as valuable and respectable members of society for their general support of authority.

In 388 A.D. the Jewish synagogue at Callinicum on the Euphrates was destroyed at the instigation of the local bishop. Theodosius decided to make the incident a test case and ordered it rebuilt at Christian expense. The bishop Ambrose hotly opposed the decision, and Theodosius withdrew his orders. This event marked an

“important stage in the construction of a society in which only orthodox Christianity exercised full rights” (Paul Johnson, A History of Christianity, p. 104-105). "*

 

[wisdomseeker]

The thread is about:

*“So, i hear Protestants saying that the CC does not resemble the Church of the Bible. Can protestants show us that their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible?” *

From the article:

*"Suppose you could invite one of the original twelve apostles to your church this weekend. Can you imagine what it would be like to entertain Peter in your worship services? How do you think he would react to what he saw?

Would this apostle approve of your denomination’s practices?

Or is it just possible that he would tell you that some of your most cherished beliefs were in error? How would you feel if he stood up and loudly proclaimed that your church was a promoter of heresy? What if he said that your religious practices were totally contrary to those of the primitive church formed immediately after the death of Jesus Christ?

Is this a startling thought? Of course it is. Yet if any of the very men who served Jesus during His earthly ministry could witness the teachings of Christianity today, they would express almost total disagreement with its doctrines and beliefs!

How has this all come about? Unfortunately, for centuries the world had little access to historical information on the early church. Most Christian churches had to rely on the teachings of men who lived at least a century after Christ’s death. These men became known as the “church fathers,” whose writings wielded an enormous influence on Christian belief. They undermined the influence and authority of the true founders of Christianity such as James, Peter, and John. The character of the church from the second century down to modern times was set by Justin Martyr, Origen, Tertullian, and many other uninspired men.

Fortunately, the past four decades have seen a plethora of new information on what the primitive church was really like. It is amazing what scholars and historians have found!

This new information coupled with what is in the pages of your Bible clearly shows that there is a great difference between the church led by the original apostles and the modern “Christian” world. Read for yourself how a great apostasy took place and how it affects your life, your beliefs, and even your salvation!

In the first part of this two-part series, we will trace the development of early Christianity as recorded by history. Prepare for some shocks along the way. You are about to discover that the Christian legacy left by Jesus the Messiah is definitely not the Christianity of today!"*

St. Thomas Aquinas says,
“The real character of rank heresy consists in lack of submission to the divine teaching authority in the head of the Church.”

 

[Lapey]

And God Bless you too!

Thanks tweety!