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Would your feelings about Mormons be any different if they still believed they were the one true church, still accepted their scriptures, and accepted the Trinity and the Nicene Creed? This would mean giving up their belief that God was once a man and there are lots of extra Gods out there.
 
It sure would help.

It also seems to imply that they would need to change their views on becoming gods themselves.
 
Would your feelings about Mormons be any different if they still believed they were the one true church, still accepted their scriptures, and accepted the Trinity and the Nicene Creed? This would mean giving up their belief that God was once a man and there are lots of extra Gods out there.
No, I could never accept their scriptures, temple rituals, prophet, apostles…the entire leadership of their church, let alone the authority they believe it possesses. And neither do I accept that God reveals anything to their “prophet”. Nor could I accept their belief of heaven as three different slots. Or their belief in a after-life of polygamous relationships that create an endless supply of spirit children. And definitely, I do not accept that Joseph Smith was a Prophet.
 
It sure would help.

It also seems to imply that they would need to change their views on becoming gods themselves.
I suppose they could see themselves as becoming little gods. I think there is even a sense in which Catholics believe we can become little gods. How would you feel about a Mormon theology which allowed people to have eternal marriage and eternal procreation while directing all of its worship towards the Trinity? They wouldn’t become Gods, only gods with eternal families. Of course after the return of Christ the effects of the fall would be obliterated and their children would grow up in an era of total peace and harmony in a world without sin.

I know. It’s a stretch.
 
I suppose they could see themselves as becoming little gods. I think there is even a sense in which Catholics believe we can become little gods. How would you feel about a Mormon theology which allowed people to have eternal marriage and eternal procreation while directing all of its worship towards the Trinity? They wouldn’t become Gods, only gods with eternal families. Of course after the return of Christ the effects of the fall would be obliterated and their children would grow up in an era of total peace and harmony in a world without sin.

I know. It’s a stretch.
Sounds like you’re starting a new religion. 😉
 
Sounds like you’re starting a new religion. 😉
Actually, Mormonism could easily become this. It wouldn’t even shock me if eventually it did become this. A lot of Mormons would feel comfortable with jettisoning some of their more exotic teachings – look at Zerinius. He’s always denying some of the doctrines people think are goofy.
 
Actually, Mormonism could easily become this. It wouldn’t even shock me if eventually it did become this. A lot of Mormons would feel comfortable with jettisoning some of their more exotic teachings – look at Zerinius. He’s always denying some of the doctrines people think are goofy.
True that, but wow, how would they reconcile that with their belief that Smith restored the true gospel and then saying, oops, never mind, he REALLY got it wrong.

I know, it has been done before, but not on such a massive scale.

And I don’t know that I agree that Catholics believe they become little gods. Catholics don’t believe they will be creating new worlds and acting as God over those worlds. And I haven’t read or been taught anywhere that Catholics believe they will have any sort of divine power.

Is there something being hidden from me?
:eek:

😉
 
True that, but wow, how would they reconcile that with their belief that Smith restored the true gospel and then saying, oops, never mind, he REALLY got it wrong.

I know, it has been done before, but not on such a massive scale.

And I don’t know that I agree that Catholics believe they become little gods. Catholics don’t believe they will be creating new worlds and acting as God over those worlds. And I haven’t read or been taught anywhere that Catholics believe they will have any sort of divine power.

Is there something being hidden from me?
:eek:

😉
No, but Catholics believe they will become perfected in Christ. Mormons can believe they can become gods in the next life with eternal families without believing they will become gods of any world. They can simply inhabit worlds that God rules and has created for them.

The idea of Theosis or Divinization was definitely taught by some of the Early Church Fathers, but not in the same way Mormons teach it. Look at this site:

frimmin.com/faith/theosis.html
 
No, but Catholics believe they will become perfected in Christ. Mormons can believe they can become gods in the next life with eternal families without believing they will become gods of any world. They can simply inhabit worlds that God rules and has created for them.

The idea of Theosis or Divinization was definitely taught by some of the Early Church Fathers, but not in the same way Mormons teach it. Look at this site:

frimmin.com/faith/theosis.html
That is my understanding of Saints. Able to Know God as He wishes us to Know Him. They are With God the way He wishes for us to be With Him. That is why Catholics ask for Saints to intercede…they are With God, in a way that we are not.

It is not the same as the mormon belief. Saints are not Gods.
 
How would you feel about a Mormon theology which allowed people to have eternal marriage and eternal procreation while directing all of its worship towards the Trinity? They wouldn’t become Gods, only gods with eternal families. Of course after the return of Christ the effects of the fall would be obliterated and their children would grow up in an era of total peace and harmony in a world without sin.

I know. It’s a stretch.
It’s not just a stretch, it’s anti-biblical. heretical and blasphemous. Sorry, no cigar.

Paul
 
My feelings about the Mormons would not change unless they repudiated the BoM as sacred scripture. I would be tolerant if they still held that it has great value.

I agree, the definition of Sainthood is also important. No one can be declared a saint while still alive. Mormon ego is so tightly wound in this that there is no use arguing with many of them. Where is the humility?
 
Actually, Mormonism could easily become this. It wouldn’t even shock me if eventually it did become this. A lot of Mormons would feel comfortable with jettisoning some of their more exotic teachings – look at Zerinius. He’s always denying some of the doctrines people think are goofy.
I agree that in order to survive, Utah LDS Mormonism will eventually become much like the Community of Christ.

Paul
 
From the old encyclopedia of Catholicism at newadvent.org:

With Christianity, the history of Mysticism enters into a new period. The Fathers recognized indeed the partial truth of the pagan system, but they pointed out also its fundamental errors. They made a distinction between reason and faith, philosophy and theology; they acknowledged the aspirations of the soul, but, at the same time, they emphasized its essential inability to penetrate the mysteries of Divine life. They taught that the vision of God is the work of grace and the reward of eternal life; in the present life only a few souls, by a special grace, can reach it. On these principles, the Christian school of Alexandria opposed the true gnosis based on grace and faith to the Gnostic heresies. St. Augustine teaches indeed that we know the essences of things in rationibus aeternis, but this knowledge has its starting point in the data of sense (cf. Quæstiones, LXXXIII, c. xlvi). Pseudo-Dionysius, in his various works, gave a systematic treatment of Christian Mysticism, carefully distinguishing between rational and mystical knowledge. By the former, he says, we know God, not in His nature, but through the wonderful order of the universe, which is a participation of the Divine ideas (“De Divinis Nomin.”, c, vii, §§ 2-3, in P. G., III, 867 sq.). There is, however, he adds, a more perfect knowledge of God possible in this life, beyond the attainments of reason even enlightened by faith, through which the soul contemplates directly the mysteries of Divine light. The contemplation in the present life is possible only to a few privileged souls, through a very special grace of God: it is the theosis, mystike enosis.
 
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