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One time these group of people I know, during the mass, didnt hold hands for the our father, why? They were right next to each other. And also out of the group of these people is a couple, and they never do any of the hand movements, why?
 
One time these group of people I know, during the mass, didnt hold hands for the our father, why? They were right next to each other. And also out of the group of these people is a couple, and they never do any of the hand movements, why?
Not knowing the people personally, I do not know the answer to your question. But if they were traditional Catholics, like myself, I may be able to hazard a guess.

The holding of hands is a new development. I heard it encouraged beginning in the early 1980s. By the 1990s, I began to notice it occurring with more frequency, and only in the last 10 years have I seen it become common. Traditional Catholics tend to see this as a bit of a novelty. We also see it has “gimicky,” an exagerated piety to invoke a romantic, perhaps Protestant, notion of the primitive Church which we do not share.

The same thing applies to the shaking of hands at the sign of peace. Traditionally, the priest and deacons exchanged a kiss at this point at high mass, symbolic of apostolic love. Traditional Catholics observe the kiss from the standpoint of the flock, who at this point observe the amity among their shepherds. The “peace” referred to at this point in the mass is that which passeth understanding, not the “peace” as in “Peace, dude!”
Shaking people’s hand blurs this distinction, which we think is important to maintain.

I am not saying that you are wrong to hold hands during the pater noster, or that you ought not shake hands if you enjoy doing so and it makes you feel closer to your fellow Catholics. Your bishop probably commends the practices and likes you to do them.

But you need not take it personally if some in the church follow a different practice in that respect.

Cheers!
 
Maybe they are noobs like me? I’m always awkwardly late when it comes to the motions.
 
One time these group of people I know, during the mass, didnt hold hands for the our father, why? They were right next to each other. And also out of the group of these people is a couple, and they never do any of the hand movements, why?
Ordinary Form ? It’s not in the rubrics. The hand holding is a monkey see, monkey do novelty. We should have our hands folded in prayer. If it was just a single time, perhaps they were at odds with each other, who knows ?

A lot of things that should be done never are, like bowing during the Creed at the uttering of the words
“by the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.”

I went to a parish yesterday I had not been to for quite some time. They didn’t kneel after the Agnus Dei. I started to, and noticed no one there did. I was in the back. I went ahead and knelt. *The priest didn’t follow the rubrics for the Consecration or Elevation either.

catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/Mass.htm

Edit : *to clarify, I’m not doubting Transubstantiation occurred.
 
One time these group of people I know, during the mass, didnt hold hands for the our father, why? They were right next to each other. And also out of the group of these people is a couple, and they never do any of the hand movements, why?
Holding hands is made up by people, it is not part of the Mass. Same with “hand movements” - this is not part of the Mass for the lay people to “act out” what the priest is doing. It is not required, and many feel, should be stopped, as it is not appropriate for the people to make things up and add them to the Mass.

They were doing nothing wrong.

~Liza
 
One time these group of people I know, during the mass, didnt hold hands for the our father, why? They were right next to each other. And also out of the group of these people is a couple, and they never do any of the hand movements, why?
why should anyone hold hands for the Our Father, it is not a prescribed part of the Mass, and what “hand movements” are you talking about? Please find a place in the missal where the instructions in red tell the faithful to make hand motions.
 
They’re our Catholic Howard Hughes’ who contemplate air filtration systems during the Our Father.
 
One time these group of people I know, during the mass, didnt hold hands for the our father, why? They were right next to each other. And also out of the group of these people is a couple, and they never do any of the hand movements, why?
Just curious, what hand movements are you talking about? If they didn’t make the sign of the cross at the beginning or end of Mass, they might have been non-Catholic visitors.
 
why should anyone hold hands for the Our Father, it is not a prescribed part of the Mass, and what “hand movements” are you talking about? Please find a place in the missal where the instructions in red tell the faithful to make hand motions.
I don’t know about the coloration, but the signs of the cross one makes during the preface to the Gospel and the striking of the breast during the Confiteor (when Penitential Rite A is used) actually are “hand movements” that the congregation ought to be making.
 
Just curious, what hand movements are you talking about? If they didn’t make the sign of the cross at the beginning or end of Mass, they might have been non-Catholic visitors.
I don’t know about the coloration, but the signs of the cross one makes during the preface to the Gospel and the striking of the breast during the Confiteor (when Penitential Rite A is used) actually are “hand movements” that the congregation ought to be making.
Come on folks, you have both been around here long enough to know what the OP is talking about. Holding the hands in the orans position during the Eucharistic Prayer. :rolleyes:

My first thought, given the OP’s post count, is that this is just to stir the pot, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him to respond to confirm my assumption regarding the “hand movements”.

~Liza
 
Come on folks, you have both been around here long enough to know what the OP is talking about. Holding the hands in the orans position during the Eucharistic Prayer. :rolleyes:

~Liza
Maybe, maybe not.

He might be talking about the swoop for the “and lift them up to the Lord” or the back-at-cha movement for “and also with you”. 😉
 
As a cradle Catholic from Ireland, I’ve found the hand holding very evangelical protestant (no disrespect intended). I can’t help but think of “The Waltons” TV programme when I have visited the US and attended Mass there.

Here the hand-holders would be commented on, not the other way around.
 
Let’s be honest. Catholics are the most antisocial of all Christians. Don’t believe it, then ask a convert from a protestant denomination.

We hold hands to “warm each other” up for that germaphobe handshake that’s coming 30 seconds after the Our Father.
 
Let’s be honest. Catholics are the most antisocial of all Christians. Don’t believe it, then ask a convert from a protestant denomination.

We hold hands to “warm each other” up for that germaphobe handshake that’s coming 30 seconds after the Our Father.
Perhaps Catholics are not antisocial, they are just focusing on the Creator of the Universe before them on the altar. As they should be. Social hour is for after Mass, not during.

~Liza
 
Okay, sorry I didn’t clarify, I meant the holding of hands during the our father, and the part where we lift up our hearts, and lift them up to the Lord. Yeah why are we supposed to strike our breast on that one part during the penitential rite? Just curious. And also, why do some people at daily mass, during the Lamb of God, strike their chest after each “have mercy on us”?
 
Okay, sorry I didn’t clarify, I meant the holding of hands during the our father,
I think this one has been covered.
and the part where we lift up our hearts, and lift them up to the Lord.
We lift our hearts, not our hands. Just a fad, don’t worry about it.
Yeah why are we supposed to strike our breast on that one part during the penitential rite?
It’s a sign of contrition.
Just curious. And also, why do some people at daily mass, during the Lamb of God, strike their chest after each “have mercy on us”?
That’s a carry-over from the old Mass. Some people strike their breast at the “Lord I am not worthy to receive You,” for the same reason.
 
=CurlyCatholic18;7294830]Okay, sorry I didn’t clarify, I meant the holding of hands during the our father, and the part where we lift up our hearts, and lift them up to the Lord
.My wife and I do not hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer and neither do my grown children. If someone tries to grap on to my hand I ignore them. Sorry but the Lord’s Prayer is not a prayer of unity. It is a personal prayer. The person next to me might be my friend but he is not my Savior.
The Priest alone is to lift up his hands to the Lord.We are to lift up our hearts.
 
.My wife and I do not hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer and neither do my grown children. If someone tries to grap on to my hand I ignore them. Sorry but the Lord’s Prayer is not a prayer of unity. It is a personal prayer. The person next to me might be my friend but he is not my Savior.
The Priest alone is to lift up his hands to the Lord.We are to lift up our hearts.
However, the prayer presupposes unity. That is why we don’t call it the Pater Mi (“Give me this day my daily bread, and forgive me my trespasses . . .”). The very fact that Jesus taught us to pray in the first person plural is of significance.
 
Let’s be honest. Catholics are the most antisocial of all Christians. Don’t believe it, then ask a convert from a protestant denomination.

We hold hands to “warm each other” up for that germaphobe handshake that’s coming 30 seconds after the Our Father.
LOL that made me lough too much.

I honestly thought the OP was just baiting us and was about to call out Troll!
Anyways as everyone pointed out the hand holding and orans position (lifting up your hands as the priest does) is not part of the rubrics hence not part of the mass. This is an “invention” that came about around the 70s to signify “unity”. This acts in my opinion are wrong because they occur during the consecration, we are ONE in the Eucharist and in perfect unity with the Lord as one family. There is no need to bring in our own “styles”. This pretty much applies to praying after mass, the mass is the greatest prayer we have, so why do you pray right after? It can’t possibly get any better, so the same thing applies to the holding hands. As I said one and I will say it again, the 60s and 70s are over people let’s get back to worshipping God and stop listening to our feelings.
 
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