So let's talk about today's readings 11/17/09

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Reading 1
2 Mc 6:18-31

Eleazar, one of the foremost scribes,
a man of advanced age and noble appearance,
was being forced to open his mouth to eat pork.
But preferring a glorious death to a life of defilement,
he spat out the meat,
and went forward of his own accord to the instrument of torture,
as people ought to do who have the courage to reject the food
which it is unlawful to taste even for love of life.
Those in charge of that unlawful ritual meal took the man aside privately,
because of their long acquaintance with him,
and urged him to bring meat of his own providing,
such as he could legitimately eat,
and to pretend to be eating some of the meat of the sacrifice
prescribed by the king;
in this way he would escape the death penalty,
and be treated kindly because of their old friendship with him.
But Eleazar made up his mind in a noble manner,
worthy of his years, the dignity of his advanced age,
the merited distinction of his gray hair,
and of the admirable life he had lived from childhood;
and so he declared that above all
he would be loyal to the holy laws given by God. He told them to send him at once
to the abode of the dead, explaining:
“At our age it would be unbecoming to make such a pretense;
many young people would think the ninety-year-old Eleazar
had gone over to an alien religion.
Should I thus pretend for the sake of a brief moment of life,
they would be led astray by me,
while I would bring shame and dishonor on my old age.
Even if, for the time being, I avoid the punishment of men,
I shall never, whether alive or dead,
escape the hands of the Almighty.
Therefore, by manfully giving up my life now,
I will prove myself worthy of my old age,
and I will leave to the young a noble example
of how to die willingly and generously
for the revered and holy laws.”
Eleazar spoke thus,
and went immediately to the instrument of torture.
Those who shortly before had been kindly disposed,
now became hostile toward him because what he had said
seemed to them utter madness.
When he was about to die under the blows,
he groaned and said:
“The Lord in his holy knowledge knows full well that,
although I could have escaped death,
I am not only enduring terrible pain in my body from this scourging,
but also suffering it with joy in my soul
because of my devotion to him.”
This is how he died,
leaving in his death a model of courage
and an unforgettable example of virtue
not only for the young but for the whole nation.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 3:2-3, 4-5, 6-7

R. (6b) The Lord upholds me.
O LORD, how many are my adversaries!
Many rise up against me!
Many are saying of me,
“There is no salvation for him in God.”
R. The Lord upholds me.
But you, O LORD, are my shield;
my glory, you lift up my head!
When I call out to the LORD,
he answers me from his holy mountain.
R. The Lord upholds me.
When I lie down in sleep,
I wake again, for the LORD sustains me.
I fear not the myriads of people
arrayed against me on every side.
R. The Lord upholds me.
Gospel
Lk 19:1-10

At that time Jesus came to Jericho and intended to pass through the town.
Now a man there named Zacchaeus,
who was a chief tax collector and also a wealthy man,
was seeking to see who Jesus was;
but he could not see him because of the crowd,
for he was short in stature.
So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore tree in order to see Jesus,
who was about to pass that way.
When he reached the place, Jesus looked up and said,
“Zacchaeus, come down quickly,
for today I must stay at your house.”
And he came down quickly and received him with joy.
When they saw this, they began to grumble, saying,
“He has gone to stay at the house of a sinner.”
But Zacchaeus stood there and said to the Lord,
“Behold, half of my possessions, Lord, I shall give to the poor,
and if I have extorted anything from anyone
I shall repay it four times over.”
And Jesus said to him,
“Today salvation has come to this house
because this man too is a descendant of Abraham.
For the Son of Man has come to seek
and to save what was lost.”
 
“Those who shortly before had been kindly disposed,
now became hostile toward him because what he had said
seemed to them utter madness”
– So why should that make them hostile? That they thought it was madness.
Why were they offended about madness?

“Many are saying of me,
“There is no salvation for him in God.””
– Now isn’t this a strange line for a psalm? The psalms are written by holy people
of God. The ones against him would be unbelievers. How is it they could
acknowledge God? Let alone say there is no salvation for the holy…

“Today salvation has come to this house"
– Was it just for Zacchaeus, or was He implying it was the whole family? Maybe
even servants too?

Today is the day of St. Elizabeth of Hungary, yet another married woman with
children who cared for the poor. That makes 3 this week (so far)

So what struck you about today’s readings? :bible1::twocents:
 
“Those who shortly before had been kindly disposed,
now became hostile toward him because what he had said
seemed to them utter madness”
– So why should that make them hostile? That they thought it was madness.
Why were they offended about madness?

“Many are saying of me,
“There is no salvation for him in God.””
– Now isn’t this a strange line for a psalm? The psalms are written by holy people
of God. The ones against him would be unbelievers. How is it they could
acknowledge God? Let alone say there is no salvation for the holy…

“Today salvation has come to this house"
– Was it just for Zacchaeus, or was He implying it was the whole family? Maybe
even servants too?

Today is the day of St. Elizabeth of Hungary, yet another married woman with
children who cared for the poor. That makes 3 this week (so far)

So what struck you about today’s readings? :bible1::twocents:
I love this! It’s like being in RCIA on a Tuesday 🙂

So why should that make them hostile? That they thought it was madness.
Why were they offended about madness?
They were offering him a way out. Lie! bring your own meat! Pretend to eat it anyway! The end result: He would know the truth…that when asked to uphold His law and not defile his body, he lied when put to the test. He’d rather be put to death with a clean conscious than lie. Righteousness was hard to understand.

How is it they could
acknowledge God? Let alone say there is no salvation for the holy…
I don’t know 😊 My take on it is that he is saying so many think he is unworthy of even God’s love. But he knows he is because of his faith

Was it just for Zacchaeus, or was He implying it was the whole family? Maybe
even servants too?

***I think that He was showing that Zacchaeus had redeemed himself, if you will. A tax collector (with whom Jesus was known to dine with to the chagrin of others) believed when he saw Him, promised to pay back what he’d taken, and to support others with his own wealth.

 
This is one of my favorite pieces in the Gospels. I like Zacchaeus. He wants to see the Lord, is anxious, and doesn’t let his short stature get in the way. He responds to Jesus with concrete actions that put ‘feet’ to his faith, so to speak.

Jesus approves of this and tells him that salvation has come to his house. As to whether it is only to Zacchaeus or includes his family, I think that it begins with Zacchaeus and as he grows in his faith, his example will bring the rest of the family with him. Salvation came to his house, but it is up to the rest of the people there to believe.
 
Salvation came to his house, but it is up to the rest of the people there to believe.
I like your answer, it is right.

And welcome to heathernoel. I am glad you like RCIA, thank you for talking
about the readings today… It was interesting you thought of the idea of pretending
as lying. So now I am thinking of all kinds of “pretending” scenarios and seeing if
I consider them lying.
 
Eleazar and Zacchaeus were both willing to look foolish for the Lord. Eleazar’s “friends” gave hime a way out but he did not give in. So they think he is a fool Zacchaeus is a rich man and climbs a tree to better see Jesus. Will I do something that looks foolish to others to acknowledge my love for God and Jesus?
 
Will I do something that looks foolish to others to acknowledge my love for God and Jesus?
Welcome sjg,
I love your question.
I think Eleazar was most concerned with whether he would look foolish to
God and God-fearing people. and Zacchaus didn’t know he looked foolish
since he forgot himself in his desire to see Jesus.
But your question stands as a challenge: would you do something to acknowledge
your love for God even if it would make you look foolish, and you didn’t want to look
foolish? I would like to find out too. Maybe God will give us a chance tomorrow…
 
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